Who’s ready to play Florida again in a meaningless bowl game?
Ok, kidding. I’d rather poke my eyes out with rusty nails than watch us play them again.
I see so many hot takes posted on the board about *Fire Harbaugh, Fire Brown, Fire Everyone directly into the center of the sun and I wanted to try to bring some perspective to the board. The offensive gameplan was great and good enough to put up 40+ points on the board minus the 10 drops from our supposed great WRs.
Our defense was outclassed on every level today, but most especially on the DL. We need some dominance and depth there quickly. If not, the beatings to the Buckeyes will continue. I hate losing to OSU as much as everyone else, but to act like we’re just going to get Dabo or Saban to come here is asinine. Harbaugh is the very best coach we can ask for at UM. We need a deep DL like we had in ‘16 and these games will start to turn.
My question is simply this: for those of you saying *Fire Harbaugh, or don’t extend Harbaughs contract who do you *realistically* think we can get to replace him?
November 30th, 2019 at 8:57 PM ^
I'm biased but a SoCal bowl is 100x better than a Florida bowl. You don't want to be in the flatlands of Florida again. Bad bowls there...
November 30th, 2019 at 9:16 PM ^
Who do we get to replace him, you ask?
Brent Venables, that's who! Give him whatever it takes to lure him away from Clemson.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:34 PM ^
Venables and Rhule would be two great options. I would love to see what both could do with this roster.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:55 PM ^
Apparently a lot of people on here disagree with this judging by the post i created getting thrashed
November 30th, 2019 at 8:57 PM ^
Get a better Harbaugh. Can we swap Jim and John? I'm sure the Raven's won't mind.
November 30th, 2019 at 8:58 PM ^
They can call it the Hackett Swimlanes Bowl. Plan A Harbaugh vs Plan B Mullen.
November 30th, 2019 at 8:58 PM ^
I would be shocked if Michigan isn't out in San Diego for the Holiday Bowl.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:01 PM ^
So we can play Washington twice in a year? Yay...
November 30th, 2019 at 9:09 PM ^
Based on the Pac 12 standings, it's likely USC.....unless the Pac 12 gets both Utah and Oregon into New Years Six bowls.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:21 PM ^
Boy, that'd be a great recruiting tool for USC, getting film of them throwing the ball up and down the field against Michigan. Especially if we have 3-4 guys sit out again in preparation for the NFL draft
November 30th, 2019 at 9:58 PM ^
So if that happens, then who do we play?
December 1st, 2019 at 1:10 AM ^
San Diego County Credit Union Holiday Bowl
Friday, December 27
8:00 ET, FS1
SDCCU Stadium, San Diego, CA
Big Ten vs. Pac-12
Projection: Michigan vs. USC
November 30th, 2019 at 9:04 PM ^
I wouldn’t mind that. That’s a short trip down the 5 for me. I’ve had season tickets for 27 years but only been to one bowl game in New Orleans. San Diego would be a great weekend getaway.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:11 PM ^
California bowls = 100x times better than Florida bowls, Texas and ATL bowls. I'm biased but California is just way better as a destination.
December 1st, 2019 at 12:31 AM ^
That's ridiculous. All California bowls suck outside of the Rose Bowl....and Michigan's not going there. The best matchup will be against a middle of the road PAC 12 team well before the New Year when the best games are played.
If you rank bowls, CA probably has the best (Rose), but then Florida has 2,3 and 4 with Orange, Citrus and Outback. The Holiday Bowl is probably a toss up with the Gator Bowl in terms of prestige. When you kick in the idea that 90% of Michigan fans live 2000 miles closer to Florida than they do to California, the choice is pretty obvious.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:02 PM ^
Aren’t we expecting 2 of Kemp, Jeter, Dwumfour back?
And again, Hinton was the #4 DT recruit last year, Smith 11.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:10 PM ^
Hinton was the only DL I actually saw shed a block and get penetration today. But that’s mostly my point. Fields had all day to throw and Dobbins wasn’t touched or forced to cutback until the second level. That’s not going to get it done against OSU. The truly elite teams all produce regular first rounders on the DL. Clemson, Bama, and OSU are constantly in the playoff for a reason and it starts up front.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:22 PM ^
Yep, the interior DL needs help. Hopefully Hinton & Smith can get at least half the snaps next year.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:09 PM ^
Hinton is only one guy. Kemp and Dwumfour had terrible games today. We don't have anyone coming in.
November 30th, 2019 at 11:08 PM ^
Who gives a shit? All of OSU's defensive linemen are rated higher, and they actually get developed while they're in school. Michigan's players just, like, lift weights or something? They clearly don't learn things like gap discipline or shedding blocks.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:03 PM ^
Probably nobody. Just need to start taking the same steps others do to get the top recruits
November 30th, 2019 at 9:06 PM ^
Harbaugh should stay. Don Brown should not.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:23 PM ^
Brown needs some players at CB & DT...
November 30th, 2019 at 9:06 PM ^
I would like Brent Venables for two reasons. One, it shows faith in the Gattis speed in space by going with a defensive minded HC. Second, it shows the willingness to run a dirty program, because we all saw Chad Morris exposed as a fraud when he didn't have the bagmen network. One would think Venables noticed that and would ask the appropriate questions before taking a job.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:19 PM ^
One, it shows faith in the Gattis speed in space by going with a defensive minded HC.
If Harbaugh were gone, Gattis wouldn't be sticking around.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:22 PM ^
Well just wait a year or two once the NIL rules are in place and fire the Michigan Money Cannon. Over the table ad, picture, and TV money. Hopefully the largest alumni base in the world will be able to catapult us to the top of many recruits boards.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:11 PM ^
I'm trying to figure out how these jump start bars even stay open
With the lowly play of the players that cant play ... coached by millionaires. Free tickets for all
November 30th, 2019 at 9:19 PM ^
Okay. First, I hope we don't because that spells another loss. The players wont be motivated and Harbaugh certainly isn't capable of motivating them.
Second, Kyle Whittingham, Matt Rhule and possibly 2 or 3 others would come here. Heck , right now PJ Fleck is a better coach. At least his guys are playing for a divisional title.
Matt Rhule would come here or maybe we get steve Sarkisian from Bama. He can build an offense for sure.
One thing is, we need a new DC, Brown can't beat a team that can run and throw. The worst thing is Harbaugh wont fire him or Jay Harbaugh despite the FACT that our running game sucks and has all year.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:02 PM ^
I highly doubt that a 60-year old longtime Utah resident and practicing Mormon (Whittingham) is leaving that job after 15 years to come to Michigan.
Fleck's team just got destroyed at home in a rivalry game today (sound familiar?). He's turned around some programs but we don't have evidence that he'd be an upgrade over Harbaugh, who has one of the 10 best records in the country since 2015.
Rhule shows promise but I think he's waiting out Franklin at PSU.
Actually upgrading over Jim is really hard. The easier thing is for him to hire elite assistants.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:27 PM ^
Give us a reason why Brown shouldn't be fired??.....you can't because there isn't one. Losing to OSU like that two years in a row SHOULD get everyone fired. But because we're more concerned with having a squeaky clean program and holding on to old traditions that no one outside of the fanbase gives a shit about, I stead of living and dying 24/7 about one thing - beating OSU. If we can beat OSU, the rest would take care of itself.
Winning means.more to OSU, like it does in the SEC. Michigan arrogance and weak recruiting and player development are holding this program back.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:34 PM ^
If you don’t wanna be a fan, the door’s right there.
Jump onto another team’s bandwagon why don’t ya?
December 1st, 2019 at 3:00 AM ^
Michigan isn’t going to sell it’s soul to win football games. Nor should it. The University of Michigan exists for higher purposes.
Football doesn’t matter. It’s entertainment. It doesn’t feed, house, educate or otherwise improve the lives people. It is a distraction.
People on here seem to forget what really matters in life. It ain’t football.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:38 PM ^
November 30th, 2019 at 9:50 PM ^
I would like that too. But our undrafted starters that sat out last years bowl game would like a word...
November 30th, 2019 at 9:46 PM ^
90% of the these fucking posters are straight out idiots. Harbaugh didn't lose this game and we're lucky to have him. We're also very fortunate to have Don Brown. We lost this game because our defensive line was manhandled, we turned the ball over, made stupid penalties (K. Hudson) and we dropped passes.
OSU played a perfect game and we didn't. I think the game plan was solid but the execution was not.
We definitely have a talent disparity between us and OSU but frankly, so does everyone else, minus Alabama and Clemson.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:15 PM ^
Harbaugh and Don Brown are responsible for recruiting d linemen. Harbaugh, McDaniels, and Gattis coach the qb. Harbaugh is responsible for instilling discipline. Gattis coaches the WRs. Based on today, it looks like the coaches aren't doing their jobs.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:15 PM ^
I see a lot of these types of posts "the coaches aren't making the mistakes". At what point does leadership matter? When you see a program continue to crumble when the spotlight is on it most certainly is on the coaches. The names on the back of the jerseys change but the results do not. Training, motivation, accountability, recruiting...these are all the jobs of coaches (to name a few) and they all have a direct impact on results.
For the record, I don't want Jim Harbaugh to leave. I want him to take a hard look (another) in the mirror and figure out what needs to be done to turn his Michigan tenure from a footnote into a statue being installed by Bo's.
Five years is a fair bit of time. The clock is ticking.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:52 PM ^
Since bowl selections after conference champs are by number of pick rather than position finished, don't count M v Bama out as an opponent in a SEC bowl game now.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:11 PM ^
Coaches can be found. Tressel in 2001, Ryan Day, Juwan Howard.
December 1st, 2019 at 2:55 AM ^
Or they can’t. RichRod, Hoke.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:37 PM ^
If they don’t fire him, they have to extend him. He can’t realistically recruit with two years left on a contract. That would be asinine. It’s decision time.
I assume he’ll be extended after whatever bowl game UM goes to. Although there may be some scenario (a bowl blowout? NFL offer?) that ends his tenure. It won’t be until after the bowl, whatever happens, but the extend/end is coming.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:39 PM ^
We play Florida more than any other SEC team, or B1G team. Stop it already!
December 1st, 2019 at 1:13 AM ^
I only hope its a cupcake. Any team with a pulse and decides to play hard will probably run this team off the field.