October 15th, 2008 at 2:06 PM ^
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October 15th, 2008 at 2:23 PM ^
Would you prefer that he tell a bunch of Brown fans to fuck off?
Remember, folks - being a reasonable person, and not alienating a huge swath of people merely to make a "O$U sucks!" comment does not mean you dislike Michigan.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:29 PM ^
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October 15th, 2008 at 2:26 PM ^
Of all the guys from UM who have gone on to the NFL, Braylon is about as big of a supporter as any of them. He's from Detroit, his dad played here, he endowed a frickin scholarship AS SOON as he was able to. Isn't that enough to give him the benefit of the doubt about the PSU shirt? Do you honestly think he just turned in a Penn State fan, all of a sudden?
And guess what else - he plays in Ohio. He has a vested interested in appeasing his current fanbase. I don't think he was encouraging recruits to play there or anything.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:10 PM ^
"vested"? what an interesting word to choose! Not only do I refuse to wear vests (thank God the 80s are over!) but I do not even use the word anymore.
Look, I'm done supporting Braylon. As a Steelers fan revoking my support means very little. However, he is on my wife's fantasy team and she was thinking about dropping him because until last Sunday he'd done very little. I told her if she did I would pick him up immediately. Now, I'm not so sure. I'm starting to wonder if he didn't drop that 4th adn 2 in the 'shoe in 2004 on purpose.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:30 PM ^
I did the OH-IO chant once with people from Ohio.
They should take away my diploma.
While I'm confessing -
I have joined in the MSU fight song and sat in the Izzone
Wore Notre Dame apparel
Missed an opportunity to cock punch Bobby Knight
Had a respectful conversation with an OSU fan and did not call him a dipshit or make a LOLBUCKSTACHE joke
Cheered for OSU against Miami
Did not disown my friends who attended MSU
I am an awful person.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:40 PM ^
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October 15th, 2008 at 2:32 PM ^
Desmond Howard. I saw him pick against Michigan on TeeVee. What a sellout.
I'm done supporting him.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:38 PM ^
I will say it: I don't hate OSU fans. At all. I will root for Michigan to beat them, but I:
a) Count 3 OSU grads among my good friends.
b) Have attended a game at shoe (not Michigan) and not booed.
c) Actively cheered their hoops team (I liked Scoonie Penn)
d) Dated, for 2 years, an OSU grad, a child of 2 OSU Professors.
And guess what? I like Michigan!
October 15th, 2008 at 2:41 PM ^
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October 15th, 2008 at 2:42 PM ^
When I sit at home, protected by the shield that is the internet, and hidden by my handle "ThWard", I've let those Bucknuts and PSUcks (lolz!) fans really have it. I expect the same from Braylon on national television, Cleveland-affiliation be damned
/sarcasm.
I will say, seriously, that I can't stand the vast majority of OSU fans I've met. Of course, by "met" I mean, "encountered at the Shoe in 2002 after they threw full beer cans at some female friends of mine." But I have no problem rooting for ND, MSU, or PSU. I flat out like MSU.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:45 PM ^
I lived in Columbus for a year and a half and was enrolled at OSU for 3 quarters.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:55 PM ^
There's a scene in Nick Hornby's book "Fever Pitch", when, after attending an Arsenal loss to Man U (they are huge rivals), he stops by a pub, where he sees a few Arsenal players laughing, drinking, joking around. His first reaction is to get pissed - he himself feels horrible that his favorite team just lost to Man U - they're on the team! Why aren't they as upset.
Finally, he came to a realization - the rivalry, while important to the players while they're on the field, just doesn't translate into their everyday lives. These games hurt and effect HIM, as a fan, much more than they effect the people who actually participate in them. The players are hired guns - there for a salary or for a scholarship. But for the fan, there is identification, etc., etc.
We need to remember that, sometimes.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:02 PM ^
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and thus, by their efforts, gain the respect from each other. You can often see that after the game when the two teams mingle on the field.
Whereas us fans are in comfort on our butts at home or in the stadium. We are not part of the fraternity of players. The players on Michigan and OSU may very well have more in common with each other than they do with the students and fans in the stands.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:32 PM ^
Grand Slam of a post, Blue Durham.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:25 PM ^
the part of his T-shirt you didn't see was an arrow pointing to the Nittany Lion logo with the phrase "'No matter what happens on Saturday, Michigan still owns this team' -- God".
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October 16th, 2008 at 10:06 AM ^
His first three years ? He is one of my favorite UM players of all time (I dont really go back to the Desmond or the Woodson days), but seriously he did not by any stretch of imagination " kick serious ass his whole time here". Ofcourse, silly things like stats are mostly avoided as being "too complicated" by most people.
I have every right to be pissed if he is wearing a PSU t-shirt. I DO NOT expect him to lets say wear a "Buck the Fuckeye" t-shirt and piss of his fan base, but all I am asking for is to not go out of your way to suggest that you are supporting our oppostion.
I happen to completely agree with BluuDurham by the way. I am also NOT suggesting (like Chitown and dex were impying ) that he hate on buckeyes. All I am saying is show some pride for hisOWN school.
As for all you people who keep bringing up the scholarship he endowed, big deal! He studied in UM on a scholarship and is now donating a FRACTION of his earning back to the school. I PAID the univ to study there and also donate money.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:07 AM ^
His first three years ? He is one of my favorite UM players of all time (I dont really go back to the Desmond or the Woodson days), but seriously he did not by any stretch of imagination " kick serious ass his whole time here". Ofcourse, silly things like stats are mostly avoided as being "too complicated" by most people.
I have every right to be pissed if he is wearing a PSU t-shirt. I DO NOT expect him to lets say wear a "Buck the Fuckeye" t-shirt and piss of his fan base, but all I am asking for is to not go out of your way to suggest that you are supporting our oppostion.
I happen to completely agree with BluuDurham by the way. I am also NOT suggesting (like Chitown and dex were impying ) that he hate on buckeyes. All I am saying is show some pride for hisOWN school.
As for all you people who keep bringing up the scholarship he endowed, big deal! He studied in UM on a scholarship and is now donating a FRACTION of his earning back to the school. I PAID the univ to study there and also donate money.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:10 AM ^
but seriously he did not by any stretch of imagination " kick serious ass his whole time here".
Ummmm perhaps you should check out the record book.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:30 AM ^
Ahhh...dropping the "I M DONATOR" card. Always welcome.
And this:
His first three years ? He is one of my favorite UM players of all time (I dont really go back to the Desmond or the Woodson days), but seriously he did not by any stretch of imagination " kick serious ass his whole time here". Ofcourse, silly things like stats are mostly avoided as being "too complicated" by most people.
Is so hilariously wrong.
Sophomore year: 67 receptions, 1035 yards, 10 TD's. (by comparison, other big time Michigan WR's in there Sophomore seasons: Terrell had 1038 yards 7 TD's, Manningham had 703 yards 9 TDs, Alexander had 450 yards 6 TD's, Howard had 1025 yards 11 TD's, Carter had 818 yards 14 TDs
Junior year: 85 receptions, 1138 yards, 14 TD's. (other big time Michigan juniors: Terrell had 1130 yards 14 TD's, Manningham had 1174 yards 12 TD's, Alexander had 740 yards 11 TD's, Howard had 985 yards 19 TD's, Carter had 952 yards 8 TDs,
Senior year: 97 receptions, 1330 yards, 15 TD's. (Alexander had 621 yards 4 TD's, Carter had 844 yards 8 tds)
So, Braylon Edwards, according to the "stats" you were so positive would back you up, had arguably the best Sophomore season ever by a Michigan receiver (Terrell's and Howard's seasons were roughly equivalent), arguably the best Junior year ever by a Michigan receiver (Manningham and Terrell had roughly equivalent seasons), and, by far, the best Senior season ever by a Michigan receiver. He apologizes for not making a bigger splash as a true freshman.
And, if you're willing to "stop supporting" him because of his choice of t-shirt, despite his financial investment and obvious love for the University, without even trying to figure out why he may be wearing it, you're insane.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:14 AM ^
October 16th, 2008 at 10:27 AM ^
In-Rod -- From what I understand, Braylon is one of very few former players that makes a meaningful contribution to the athletic department. I wouldn't minimize his involvement, regardless of the percentage of his salary he donates.
Additionally, having former greats around the program can only be a positive when it comes to recruiting, by demonstrating that the program is something greater than just four or five years of sweat and toil.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:04 AM ^
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October 16th, 2008 at 12:16 PM ^
October 16th, 2008 at 2:22 PM ^
Braylon dropped a 4th and 2 in the 'shoe in 2004. Seriously, are you telling me you're not wondering if that was on purpose? Further, he asked to be the gunner on the punt team in that game. First guy to miss the tackle on Ginn's back breaking return? DO I EVEN NEED TO SAY IT WAS MR. O-H-I-O?
You want some more? 2002 go ahead TD to Braylon. Called back because HE committed offensive pass interference.
In the 2001 game Navarre refused to throw to Braylon because he knew he was a traitor. Instead Marquis Walker drops the go ahead TD because Braylon is a Penn State fan!
October 16th, 2008 at 12:28 PM ^
I checked his catches+TD year to year, but I guess the fair comparison is to compare to stats of greats in their corresponding year. The comparison you put up is definetely far better albeit not normalized to total number of passes thrown, QB ability etc. But thats virtually impossible to nail down. Anyway, I am not trying to argue that the dude is not good, im a fan too, just that the PSU shirt was perplexing.Just an explanation would be sufficent.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:35 PM ^
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October 16th, 2008 at 12:36 PM ^
Dude,
I gave a reason why I am currently pissed with a dude. You give no counter-arguments as to why what he did is fine. Just blindly saying "OMG, how can you question BE?" is the same as saying " You are either with us or against us" or "You suck Brah".
My whole point being if BE (arguably the most popular non-brady pro from UM ) shows signs that recruits could intepret as wavering support, thats not good. Again, I am not sying he did anything wrong. I am just wondering whats going on here.
Give a coherent response like Chitown's and you will get my respect.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:55 PM ^
October 16th, 2008 at 1:18 PM ^
Like 7 other people gave the reason he does it. It's not a mystery. There's no reason for me to say it again. Just like there's no reason for me to point out, again, that after trying to use stats to prove your argument you obviously miserably failed. So, uh, yeah.
Also, the day I worry about your respect is the day I eat a shotgun hoagie.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:57 PM ^
No offense, but I think it's been established that your respect is about as coveted as a Mathew Hatchette autographed Topps trading card.
Conjure up whatever the fuck you wish about what impacts recruits. I'll tell you this: from my experience going to school with kids who've been recruited and the contact I maintain with some recruits here in Florida and back home in Michigan - the current Win-Loss record or shirt an alumni wears is about 167th on the fucking list of things recruits give a shit about.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:21 PM ^
October 16th, 2008 at 2:17 PM ^
EQUATION FOR LESS DENOUNCEMENT OF ONE'S VIEWS BY PEOPLE WHO VALUE LOGIC:
Sucking less= Less derision.
Thank you, that is all.
October 18th, 2008 at 12:50 PM ^
I checked his catches+TD year to year, but I guess the fair comparison is to compare to stats of greats in their corresponding year.
With all due respect, how could you have looked at Braylon's sophomore and junior seasons (even without comparing them to anyone else's) and concluded that he did nothing before his senior year? A 1,000-yard receiving season is a great season. It's not something that just anyone can pull off. And Braylon did it THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS. (Btw, I believe he is currently the leading receiver in Big Ten history.)
October 19th, 2008 at 11:09 PM ^