What a 12 team playoff would have looked like this year

Submitted by BuddhaBlue on December 8th, 2021 at 8:28 PM

CBS sports projected the 12 team playoff scenario based upon what was last proposed:

  • The top four conference champions would get byes, meaning even a team like this year's Georgia squad that finished 12-1 would not be eligible for a bye since it lost in the SEC Championship Game.
  • Teams ranked 5-8 would host teams ranked 9-12 in on-campus games in the first round. 
  • Quarterfinals would be played at bowl sites.
  • The bracket would not take regular-season rematches into account when the teams are ranked, and there would not be reseeding in the quarterfinal or semifinal round. 

This would yield the following bracket:

12teamcfpbracket.png

Not great, bob. As stated in the article:  "there's a bit of irony in the fact that there would be a greater gripe with this 12-team bracket than the four-team format currently in-place."

Jordan2323

December 8th, 2021 at 8:43 PM ^

I still want 8. 6 seems to be the most competitive amount of actual legit teams every year but then you get two teams with an unfair bye. 8 for me gets any team that realistically has any shot at advancing forward to play. With us and Ohio St in the same division, we aren’t gonna make the playoffs in a four team format that often. That’s not saying we won’t beat OSU going forward, that’s just saying even if it’s 50/50 yearly one is sitting at home. Four isn’t enough for me and 12 is too much, I like 8. 

lhglrkwg

December 8th, 2021 at 9:21 PM ^

Yeah I agree. Do we really need Pitt Utah and Ole Miss in a playoff? Seems like 8 is just right for getting relevant P5 champs in plus some worth at large bids. Would've been something like

(1) Alabama vs (8) Oklahoma State
(2) Michigan vs (7) Notre Dame
(3) Cincinnati vs (6) Ohio State
(4) Baylor vs (5) Georgia

Only downside is OSU still gets in with 8 teams but that'll happen

CassBlue1791

December 9th, 2021 at 10:20 AM ^

Seems like 8 is just right for getting relevant P5 champs in plus some worth at large bids.

so…Utah destroys Oregon twice and are a P5 champion but, according to you, they are somehow not as  “relevant” as Baylor or the two OSU’s.  Even ND has won fuck all.  Don’t understand your criteria my dude

Yost Ghost

December 8th, 2021 at 9:26 PM ^

This is basically what I said in the thread about this very issue two days ago. Anything over 8 is ridiculous. The rivalry games and the conference championship games are all part of the playoff system and mean something. 8 gives the P5 winners an auto bid and leaves the committee 3 at large bids for non-conference P5 teams or deserving G5 teams.

 

https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/12-team-cfp-bracket

 

Swayze Howell Sheen

December 8th, 2021 at 8:31 PM ^

This would be a really dumb way to do a playoff. Repeating a bunch of games between in-conference teams is bad.

A better approach:
- auto bid for 5 conference winners
- 1 to 3 more at large
- guarantee no rematches of conference teams until semi-final or something like that

 

Newton Gimmick

December 9th, 2021 at 12:37 AM ^

Exactly.  Rematches blur or negate the precious few data points we have to decide champions. 

If we have to expand, top 8 conference champions (or top 8 teams, at most one per conference) would work.  Sure, some crappy 8-4 teams will make it, but that gives more incentive to get a higher seed.  And the one-per-conference limit puts the onus on conferences to serve as an extension of the playoff and structure their season appropriately.  "You get at most *one* playoff participant.  You have an entire season to decide.  Figure it out."

The best domino effect is that conferences then adjust their sizes and membership accordingly, instead of overloading one division/conference with bluebloods.

caup

December 8th, 2021 at 8:36 PM ^

C'mon. With a little bit of common sense re-seeding, this bracket could be greatly improved:

OSU changed to the 6-seed.

Notre Dame changed to the 7-seed.

MSU changed to the 9-seed.

OK State changed to the 10-seed.

Problem solved.

MIdocHI

December 8th, 2021 at 10:40 PM ^

Exactly  whoever made those is tone deaf. Who would do a rematch of a blowout (OSU-MSU) then a guaranteed rematch with UM?  It makes no sense.  Of course, as presented, it looks like crap. But that is NOT a realistic representation of how a 12 team playoff would look. They are deliberately trying to make a12 team playoff look bad. 

Newton Gimmick

December 9th, 2021 at 12:50 AM ^

It looks like they ordered it based on the latest proposal (top four conference champions get byes), plus the committee's rankings.  In order to get attractive matchups (i.e. no rematches), they would need to finagle the rankings -- or at least bring in an explicit organizing principle beyond 'quality of team'

uncle leo

December 8th, 2021 at 8:37 PM ^

I fully disagree about there being more gripe in a 12-team bracket than a 4.

In a 4 team tourney, the 5th team usually has a pretty decent argument. We've been in that situation before.

In a 12-team tourney, how much can the 13th team really complain? Every team beyond the 4 proportionally decreases the amount of complaining they can do.

Look at the NCAA bball tournament. Yes, there is the occasional team out of the bubble that has a gripe- other than that, you rarely hear anything because so many teams get in. It would be the same type of change with football. The more teams you add, the less the complaints can/should/will be.

Newton Gimmick

December 8th, 2021 at 8:51 PM ^

I don't think there are many cases where the 5th team has a right to complain or claim that they might be the best team in the country.  Notre Dame?  The one great team they played beat them in their own house.  The only teams that arguably should be in this year are Alabama, Michigan, and Cincinnati.  The rest either didn't win a conference or lost multiple games.

DTOW

December 8th, 2021 at 9:18 PM ^

I've never really understood this perspective.  Why do people want to watch less college football games that the majority of the time would be between the power programs?  I would watch every one of these games in a playoff if I could.  If I had my way, P5 programs wouldn't be allowed to schedule cupcake FCS games during the season and instead a bunch of those would be replaced with games people actually want to watch in the form of an expanded playoff.

Vote_Crisler_1937

December 8th, 2021 at 8:41 PM ^

Didn’t MGoBlog post some years ago that a math professor somewhere had calculated that a 6 team playoff would be the optimal? The 5 conference champions and one at-large or something? 

Newton Gimmick

December 8th, 2021 at 8:41 PM ^

Thanks, I hate it

Enough with the rematches.  Your team won a big game?  "Lol just kidding play them again now in some faceless NFL dome, and this time it counts"

I'll say it again -- it's strange to hear people who claim to love college football -- and love it more than any other sport -- complain that it would be better if only it were more like every other sport.

Newton Gimmick

December 8th, 2021 at 8:58 PM ^

I disagree, and for me it's not about Michigan.  To take the other side, Michigan should not have been in the playoff in 2018 or 2016 (JT 'spot' aside).  They had a chance to play in and lost.  OSU had a chance this year and lost.  These games are so thrilling because the stakes are so high and it's the one time they can meet -- these are de facto playoff games, not dress rehearsals.

uncle leo

December 8th, 2021 at 9:02 PM ^

You have to think beyond just Michigan.

There are teams that do everything in their power and are left out simply because of bias towards the power conferences. 

I know Cincy got in this season- that was more of a product of not being a strong 4. If OK State won, I could have easily seen them boot Cincy out of the 4 spot. UCF ran their schedule a few years back and didn't sniff the playoff. 

I want to see those teams. 6 or 8 teams would still put a strong emphasis on the regular season- the amount of watering down would be minimal at best. 

Haskin’s Bandaid

December 8th, 2021 at 8:48 PM ^

I don’t like. I think the committee should move slow on expansion. A 6 team concept would be cool. Top 2 teams get a 1st round bye, 3/5 and 4/6 play first round followed by 1v(4/6) and 2v(3/5). It would be really cool to see all power 5 champs represented plus 1 at large (in a perfect world). There’s no perfect solution, but just cranking it up to 12 doesn’t seem fitting at this time (Michigan bias this year).