What’s your starting BB lineup without Livers?

Submitted by rockydude on January 12th, 2020 at 6:49 PM

We’ve struggle since Livers has been injured. We can’t run our regular starting rotation without him, so during the time without him, what lineup would use?

Do you go big, do you play smallball? How do you shift our lineup to play without Livers?

(for the squeamish out there, I am in no way implying anything about Livers’ recovery progress, just thinking about the lineup without him)

Teeba

January 12th, 2020 at 6:56 PM ^

Brooks and Nunez got 36 combined minutes today. I'd zero out Nunez giving his 4 minutes to Bajema, and give 10 of Brooks' minutes to DDJ. Castleton really needs to bulk up.  

njvictor

January 12th, 2020 at 8:29 PM ^

I still don't understand how Bajema isn't getting Nunez's minutes. Nunez has scored 11 points in 39 minutes on 33% shooting this year while Bajema has scored 19 points in 30 minutes on 78% shooting this year. Nunez has to be killing it in practice because that's the only reason I can think of

UMfaninLV

January 12th, 2020 at 10:56 PM ^

Brooks is not playing well, but he does not force shots and plays hard.    DDJ is a gunner, and probably better suited for a 6th man role for now.

 

I would give Davis some of Castleton's minutes .

 

This team is flat out limited at several positions, so I will be happy with .500 in conf play and a trip to the Dance.   Recruiting help is on the way, and Wagner will be a beast with a year under his belt.

 

Next year, Wagner starts at  SG, and Livers moves to SF.

tpilews

January 12th, 2020 at 7:01 PM ^

I'd probably start building for the future. X at the 1. DeJulius at the 2. Franz at the 3. Johns @4. Teske @5. Backup rotation: DeJulius 1, Brooks 2 (split some of these minutes with X), Bajema 3, Castleton 4, Davis 5. 

I'd love to see what Bajema is doing at practice. The little bit of playing time he has gotten this year, he has shown a ton of ability. Really heady player, great shot and athleticism. I really think he's going to be a heck of a player for Michigan. 

Alumnus93

January 12th, 2020 at 8:15 PM ^

Did Matthews have another year of eligibility ?   If so, imagine with him back, how much better the team would be....  They were a great defense with him and now without him its totally different, and one would have expected more of a carryover from last year, so maybe he played a bigger part in it than credited...

freelion

January 12th, 2020 at 7:01 PM ^

Put out your best 5 whoever they are - Xavier, DDJ, Wagner, Johns, Teske

I think that's the best 5. Bring Brooks and Castleton off the bench. Try to stay with 7 deep until Livers comes back. Problem is the refs put us in constant foul trouble so we have to sub in the weaker players. 

Jordan2323

January 12th, 2020 at 7:08 PM ^

Z, DDJ, Wagner, Johns, Teske.

Rotation would be Brooks, Davis and Bajema. That would be it. 

If Castleton can start developing a shot from about 10-15 feet in practice, I'd maybe play him as well. 

FrozeMangoes

January 12th, 2020 at 7:11 PM ^

I don't think there is much JH can do.  Eventually he has to sub and the choices are three small guards or playing a big out of place.  Given those options, I'd go small. At least DDJ can create some offense. 

I would like to see Bajema get a look, it is hard having 2 wing players available (Wagner and Johns).  But, I'm sure there's a reason, he is probably still too slight. 

Gucci Mane

January 12th, 2020 at 9:59 PM ^

Honestly the best 5 lineup would exclusively feature guys currently playing. Unless the old players had the benefit of years of training in the current NBA. Someone like Jordan would struggle to be an all star today. He would need to learn how to shoot 35% from 3 in high usage. And the athleticism has skyrocketed. Magic would be a scrub today. It’s a totally different story when comparing their ability to their peers. Which is how it should be. Gordie Howe is a top 10 all time hockey player. But wouldn’t be a top 100 player in this current nhl. 

Darth Saedd

January 13th, 2020 at 1:55 AM ^

I understand and agree with most of what you're saying but I think you are underestimating Magic & Mike.  Magic would possibly not be considered the all time great player he was is in the 80's and 90's but he would still be as transcendent to the globe as he was then IMHO.  Think a personable Russel Westbrook playing in the bright lights of Hollywood.  As far as MJ is concerned, while you are correct saying that MJ would not have the athletic advantages he had in his prime, I still believe he would be amongst the elite.  MJ's drive and passion would not allow him to settle for anything less, think LBJ with a killer instinct.  MJ's game, while not exactly modernly fashionable, was efficient even in its era, will always be difficult to defend, and 30ppg is 30 ppg no matter how you accomplish it.

My All Time 5 to play a modern game would be 

PG Magic

CG MJ

Wing Scottie Pippen

Stretch 4 Bird

5 Kareem(If they can't stops X's hook today, how would players stop Kareem's?)

Bench would be Reggie Miller, Alonzo Mourning, Grandmama, and Steve Nash.

 

On the play ground give me 

PG Magic

SG MJ

SF Bird

PF Malone

C Duncan

 

Disclaimer: I am very aware that my picks are all 80's era or newer but I did want to pick players for whom I was personally alive while the were in the prime. I am also not saying these are "the best ever", just those players whom I would draft for a fantasy exercises such as this.

cobra14

January 12th, 2020 at 7:24 PM ^

Starters don’t matter but the best lineup is the 3 guards with Franz at the 4. Franz really should be a 4 at all times. He can’t dribble his way through traffic against a 3. He is matchup nightmare at the 4. 

cobra14

January 13th, 2020 at 7:54 AM ^

You're right but blame the absurd defensive scheme where no one helps a soul out there. I've never seen a college team that is more hugged up on their man off the ball than Michigan. Not only allows paint touches in the post guys are getting to the lane off the bounce. 

 This a JB team and in a JB team Franz has to play the 4. Johns gets abused just as much as Franz does but Franz actually brings a scorers mentality to him where Johns can't get out of his own head. 

 

Mannix

January 12th, 2020 at 7:40 PM ^

Simpson

DDJ

Johns

Teske

Wagner

 

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Brooks 12-15 Min (Sub for each guard but matchups largely dictate)  

Davis 4-6 (1 min before each TV break)

Bajema 4-6 (same as above or if producing longer stretches)

Castleton (never at same time with Johns & Teske) 8 

Nunez Human Victory Cigar or Blowout 

 

HailHail47

January 12th, 2020 at 7:45 PM ^

I think the starting lineup is fine. Brooks is a plus defender. His shot will start going down again soon. 
 

What’s baffling to me is the rotation. Why is Nunez taking minutes from anyone? DDJ or Brooks or Johns should be playing those 4 minutes.


Brooks brings good defense. 
Johns good rebounding.
DDJ scoring. 

Nunez hasn’t been good at anything. Even his three point shooting is subpar. 

 

 

HailHail47

January 12th, 2020 at 8:13 PM ^

Avery Queen was 5’7”and shot threes at like a 25 % clip

Josh Moore was 7’2” and shot free throws at a 24% rate... 

Gavin Groninger regressed every year... went from a 37% three point shooter to 17% in his last year. 

Those were dark days. 

Jordan2323

January 12th, 2020 at 8:00 PM ^

Itd be nice to have someone connected to the program to at least figure out why Bajema never plays. Hes someone Howard asked to still come here. Nunez isnt his guy at all. 

bluebygod

January 12th, 2020 at 8:08 PM ^

Brooks is a good shooter.  He needs to look to shoot first.

 Wagner can shoot so he starts.

Teske and Simpson obviously.

We need the 5th starter to be able to shoot outside.  Maybe DDJ.

bronxblue

January 12th, 2020 at 8:47 PM ^

Like most people have said, give DDJ some more minutes but cutting down on Brooks (at least if his shooting remains weak) and cutting Nunez out of the rotation.  So roll with Simpson, Brooks/DDJ, Johns, Teske, and Wagner and then your bench is Brooks/DDJ, Bajema, and  Castleton/Davis based on matchup.

bronxblue

January 12th, 2020 at 11:05 PM ^

Castleton still gives you size and some athleticism defensively.  And, like, he's shown flashes this year.  I'm sure Nunez is a good shooter in practice and maybe he just needs another year to mature, but right now he's got one for made FG than PF (13 to 12), and that's not going to cut it.  Castleton at least has played well against the cupcakes and gave them some okay minutes against Purdue.  He's not made the jump people expected but he at least looks like he can stay in front of his man more times than not.  This isn't a team loaded with talent and athleticism, and so I'm a bit more forgiving of a guy who has at least flashed that.

Qmatic

January 12th, 2020 at 9:00 PM ^

Right now based on what we’ve seen there isn’t much reason at all that Castleton or Nunez should be in the rotation. Davis is at least more physical on both ends to spell Teske for a few minutes at a time. Nunez is a - on both ends of the floor. If they have to they can even roll with Johns at the 5 for a few minutes. His D on Oturu today was better than what we saw from the other two most of the game. 

I don’t remember a situation in the recent past under JB where there were several players getting playing time over others for no obvious reason. There is nothing that points to Brooks getting more minutes over DDJ, or Castleton at the 4 when he doesn’t stretch the D, or Nunez playing at all. The last case I could think of was Kam Chatman getting a lot of minutes as a freshman, but that team was so injury riddled. 

Jordan2323

January 12th, 2020 at 9:31 PM ^

My thing with Castleton is I think they are trying to make him a post player inside and that isnt working well. Castleton brings the ball up from a low position and he gets himself in trouble.  I feel like they need to move him out to about 12-15 feet and see if he can shoot from there. 2-3 makes a game would help open up some things. That, or let him roll some to the basket when the lane is opened up more. 

VintageRandy

January 12th, 2020 at 9:05 PM ^

Simpson / DDJ / Wagner / Johns / Teske

Davis as backup C, Castleton spelling Johns at the 4. Brooks is still a great defender but shots need to fall and DDJ is more likely to get it going on offense at the 2. Would love to see more Bajema in the place of Nunez if there are minutes to be had behind Wagner.