Urban discusses the 3-3-5
Just some info regarding the 3-3-5 from Urban and Gerry at the Bee-Juan--Gee.
https://youtu.be/zAnXMzEUZVI?si=mo_LGH3PODVsv5Jy
We're seeing this kind of defense more and more. I say keep repping outside zone. We don't have to be the best at it, just adept. We have enough cupcakes in the early schedule to get a lot of game reps, which actually seems to be our strategy. Helps having JJ able to win games with his arm. What a luxury.
September 15th, 2023 at 5:10 PM ^
That's fucking interesting man. That's fucking interesting.
September 15th, 2023 at 5:42 PM ^
If you don't get this reference, then shut the fuck up (Donny) and get off this blog.
September 15th, 2023 at 5:50 PM ^
Like a child who wanders into a theater...
September 15th, 2023 at 8:32 PM ^
Just rewatched the movie and it was touching how Walter was so caring for Donny as he lay there dying in the parking lot. After demeaning and dismissing him the entire movie prior to that scene. Like Walter knew exactly what to say to someone as if they were dying in ‘Nam.
September 15th, 2023 at 8:42 PM ^
Walter Sobchak is the most irritating protagonist in movie history. I wanted to take a baseball bat to that asshole.
September 16th, 2023 at 12:10 AM ^
You have a corvette huh? Did you ever shoot your tv like Elvis?
September 15th, 2023 at 9:14 PM ^
He just needs some In N Out Burger is all
September 15th, 2023 at 8:40 PM ^
Urban's not like someone who built the railroad, man.
September 15th, 2023 at 10:31 PM ^
But he Cayman Nebraska!
September 16th, 2023 at 12:04 AM ^
Urban Meyer treats objects like women, man.
September 15th, 2023 at 5:17 PM ^
I remember when Don Brown used to have the defense line up in 3-3-5 to bait opponents into checking to run plays…and then post snap, reveal IT’S A TRAP
September 15th, 2023 at 8:41 PM ^
Detective Don Brown?
September 16th, 2023 at 2:19 PM ^
I always find Urban's analyses are better when he is hammered on a boat with a half naked male nearby.
September 15th, 2023 at 5:39 PM ^
... is mercifully absent from the Urban/DiNardo video.
September 15th, 2023 at 5:26 PM ^
Looking back Rich Rodriguez was a real visionary football mind. Poorly implemented but he was ahead of his time.
September 15th, 2023 at 5:38 PM ^
I used to think RichRod was a visionary who failed to implement his system at a major program. I still do, but I used to, too.
September 15th, 2023 at 7:27 PM ^
Thanks, Mitch! You are missed
September 15th, 2023 at 5:30 PM ^
You are going to tell us why outside zone is so ideal against the 3-3-5, right?
September 15th, 2023 at 5:34 PM ^
Yeah, I watched the video and tried to hunt down an answer on my own and was getting fed duo and inside zone as optimal run answers.
I’m a dilettante here, rather than picking a fight; so, I also welcome a detailed answer.
September 16th, 2023 at 1:08 PM ^
I don’t think the original post about running stretch was about the 3-3-5 in general. It was about stretch being the counter to duo beating concepts and aggression in ANY defense. It was merely coincidental that the last couple teams that employed these concepts were 3-3-5 defenses.
Ultimately, schematic alignment is pretty irrelevant in today’s game. The difference between a 3-3-5, a 4-3, and a 3-4 is largely null with your 4-3/3-4 teams spending the vast majority of their time in nickel packages.
We can look at the Michigan defense as an example. Our “base” defense is a 5-2 with Jenkins-Graham-Grant on the interior with two edge rushers and two middle linebackers to go with a 4 man secondary. BUT, it’s 2023 and nickel defenses are effectively the “base.” So we lift one of those tackles and add another DB. Now, Michigan is running a 4-2-5. But because of the versatility of our edge rushers, it could also be described as a 2-4-5 or a 3-3-5. All depending on how you choose to classify the likes of McGregor/Harrell/Moore/Stewart/Guy. Same with the 5-2 base, is it more of a 3-4 or a 4-3?
Teams are constantly altering personnel, activating different positions into the run game, and doing all kinds of different things so that there’s no specific way to beat a specific defensive alignment. The 3-3-5 isn’t inherently more effective at stopping Michigan’s duo/power than any other defense, but it’s what the players are doing that is designed to limit those types of runs. You can play ultra aggressive against the run in any defense, you can shoot the gaps in any defense. The way to beat a team doing those things, is running more outside zone.
September 15th, 2023 at 5:40 PM ^
My bad. There has been a lot of discussion by Brian, Seth, and the gang on using outside zone to counter 3-3-5 and attacking defenses on their various podcasts and on this board over the last two weeks so I didn’t want to repeat what I thought was already known. Anyway, Seth had a great discussion about it in a post-UNLV write-up. Once I locate it, I’ll edit this post.
September 15th, 2023 at 7:36 PM ^
But it sounds /too/ expensive. Especially with Henderson and Jones not seeming to get the shot they were supposed to have.
Pin and Pull or Duo executed to perfection, especially with PA passing to keep them honest, sounds a lot better than middling or even above average Stretch.
September 15th, 2023 at 8:13 PM ^
Yeah, I see your point too.
September 15th, 2023 at 5:37 PM ^
“I’ve never had sex with a 10, but one weekend I had sex with two 3s and a 5.” ~Urban Meyer
September 15th, 2023 at 5:58 PM ^
yikes! That's illegal in most countries.
September 15th, 2023 at 6:04 PM ^
Not if you're rich.
September 15th, 2023 at 6:54 PM ^
400 level OSU maff class reasoning, ftw!
September 15th, 2023 at 11:05 PM ^
Mel Tucker had a 5 recently too, but it was his own...
September 15th, 2023 at 6:08 PM ^
For Urbs that'd be:
Soft
Fully
What I wouldn't give
September 15th, 2023 at 7:06 PM ^
For our sake I hope everyone else specializes in this.
September 15th, 2023 at 7:43 PM ^
Urban likes Caveman Nebraska. OK.
September 15th, 2023 at 9:22 PM ^
dude fuck urban liar
September 15th, 2023 at 10:35 PM ^
Urb can eat a high hard one
September 15th, 2023 at 10:40 PM ^
Urban has no conscience. He goes from scandal to scandal and just pops up again on your TV screen as if nothing happened. He was a total failure in Jacksonville, but that fact is also completely ignored. Most people outside of Ohio view him as a total douche, but the television people continue to treat him as a god. What ever happened to shame? I love that our coach was not afraid to speak the truth: That scandal follows Urban wherever he goes.
September 16th, 2023 at 6:51 AM ^
Seeing him in those Wendy's commercials is jarring.
September 15th, 2023 at 11:34 PM ^
bag urban liar, and bag the horse he rode in on.
September 16th, 2023 at 12:10 PM ^
Against some of the B1G power teams, the only way 3-3-5 works is if you have a Mazi Smith in the middle and guys like Hutch and Ojabo at the ends. Plus LBs like Bush Jr, David Harris, etc. And some Marlin Jackson types in the secondary.
September 17th, 2023 at 8:42 AM ^
If you have a 3-3-5 with Hutchinson and Ojabo as your ends, you are royally fucked.
That's a waste of Hutchinson. And I'm running right at Ojabo all game.
If you play a 3-3-5...you want Grant (or Mazi, or Graham) as your nose. Jenkins and/or Graham. Benny's profile would be great as one of the ends as well.
Hutchinson can hold up on that DL, he's just getting double teamed by a TE every single down and because you made him one of your 3...you can't move him around like Michigan did. Ojabo is getting destroyed unless it's an obvious passing down and he's going 1-on-1.
Bush would be the MVP of the defense, he would FEAST in this defense.
The 5th DB is the intriguing question.
Do you make it a slot corner/cover nickel like Sainristil or Jourdan Lewis...or do you make it a hybrid player like Peppers?
Dax and Marlin Jackson lean more hybrid, IMO.
September 17th, 2023 at 8:29 AM ^
I love how he says you don't want to drop a DL in a 4-3 (to get 8 in coverage), then highlights a blitz for 3 minutes where they dropped the end into coverage.