UFR on UFR
A) RR should not be fired (anyone who would fire a coach after 6 games would be an asshat!!)
B) Barring unforseen personal problems RR should get 3 probably 4 years.
But, upon reviewing the Wisconsin, Illinois, and Toledo UFR's (and play by plays). Here are the statistical facts:
All of the following are for first and second down only!!
First Half of W, M passed downfield only once -- offense sucked
Second half of W, 16 of first 22 plays M passed downfield -- offense moved the ball & scored
Illinois, good mix of pass/run in both halves. Offense moved ball & scored.
Toledo, 34 runs, 8 passes (except for TD series which was pass, run, pass, pass and last series which was pass, pass, pass, pass, run, pass) -- offense sucked
So, it does appear that the game plan for Toledo (incorrectly, in my opinion) went back to a high percentage of runs on first and second down even though the statistics indicate M must be balanced for the offense to function.
Therefore, in my opinion, based on statistics, the coaching needs to improve.
PS If the "check with the sideline on every play" isn't getting us out of bad plays on first and second down, what will??
October 14th, 2008 at 3:38 PM ^
October 14th, 2008 at 5:51 PM ^
These are all downs (not just first and second).
4th Possession: Run, Run, Pass, Punt
5th Possession: Run, Flat/Bubble/Whatever, Pass, Punt
6th Possession: Pass, Pass, Run, Run, Pass, Pass, Punt
7th Possession: Pass, Run, Run, Pass, Pass, Punt
So the balance kept up but, of course, not all drives are going to be successful. Just more with balance.
It does appear most of the 3 and out were run, run, pass on third and long, punt.
Also, the turnovers, killed us in the second half (especially on the KO).
October 14th, 2008 at 3:56 PM ^
October 14th, 2008 at 5:34 PM ^
This is criticism that is sensible. Not some tool wailing "they should change their strategy to uh, you know, something else...because um...it would work?"
Instead it is someone saying SPECIFICALLY what they think would improve the offense. And it is something that is plausible.
October 14th, 2008 at 3:58 PM ^
Helloheisman - you're mistaking honest criticism as "harassing". Saying "I diagree because..." is not harassment.
As to enjoylife's point, I assume the number's he's using are correct. So, he can make a valid argument. I'm not sure he's right, but it's a valid point with some evidence to support it.
October 14th, 2008 at 4:07 PM ^
October 14th, 2008 at 4:16 PM ^
when Sheridan is in the game, they are scared (if so, rightfully so) to pass the ball? Since he is supposed to be more of a runner, they are skewed that way?
Also, I thought I read that RR strongly preers to run the ball, so that philosophy may shape the playcalling.
October 14th, 2008 at 4:18 PM ^
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October 14th, 2008 at 8:07 PM ^
October 14th, 2008 at 4:35 PM ^
Why would we call more pass plays when both of our QBs can't hit the broadside of a barn? Both QBs have shown absolutely horrendous accuracy; I cross my fingers whenever we throw anywhere inside the hashes. This is probably the biggest reason why Forcier will probably start next year; he has received alot of coaching and is very accurate. He may have a lower ceiling than Beaver, but the early enrollment should give him enough time to bulk up through a college level S&C program and learn the playbook.
If Threet hits just several more passes a game (especially the big, wide open ones that they miss), this offense would be looking so much better compared to what it is now. Threet is just a redshirt freshman, but some posters on various boards have pointed out that his bad mechanics go back all the way to high school; I'm not sure if it will be fixed in time before him possibly losing starting QB job to Forcier or Beaver.
October 15th, 2008 at 12:20 PM ^
For all of last year (Henne, Mallet) and first 6 games this year:
Henne: 137-239-7, 57%, 11.4 YPC
Mallet: 61-141-5 43%, 14.6 YPC
Threet: 67-132-3, 51%, 10.6 YPC
Sheridan: 26-46-5, 58%, 9.9 YPC
Mallet would have been in his second year but ........
BTW, Henne in 2004 (freshman): 222-365-12, 61%, 11.4 YPC
October 15th, 2008 at 12:56 PM ^
The third # is INT's, I assume?
I mean, the completion %'s are roughly the same, but the 4 additional yards per completion, and significantly lower INT numbers shouldn't be brushed aside.
October 15th, 2008 at 1:11 PM ^
October 14th, 2008 at 4:36 PM ^
I have been a proponent of passing more on first down. Arbor Blue's comment convinced me to look up the numbers from Brians UFR from Illinois game. Numbers are for first down plays coverevd in UFR only.
Number of Runs = 17
Number of Passes = 10
Yards rushing = 41
Yards Passing = 62
Yards/RA = 2.4
3 Longest runs =18, 7, 6
3 worst runs = -4, -2, -1
Yards/PA = 6.2
3 Longest passes =26, 25, 10
3 worst PA = -12, 0, 0
Run Notes = 2 runs were during goal line situation (4 yd TD, 2yd), One fumble
Pass Notes = 4 passes were incomplete, one play was a sack, 12.4 yds/completion, one Long handoff was counted as a pass (7yds).
This is just one game so it doesn't mean a whole lot. Maybe when I have more time I will look at all the games.
October 14th, 2008 at 10:47 PM ^
October 15th, 2008 at 11:57 AM ^
I meant we should give RR 3-4 years of less than expected results before any decisions are made.
Yeah, I sure hope we win 4 of the next 6 and it's all good from there (multiple MNC's, RR becomes the greatest M coach in history, etc.).
But, even if it isn't, the 3-4 years is reasonable.
October 14th, 2008 at 11:32 PM ^
"Helloheisman - you're mistaking honest criticism as "harassing". Saying "I diagree because..." is not harassment.
As to enjoylife's point, I assume the number's he's using are correct. So, he can make a valid argument. I'm not sure he's right, but it's a valid point with some evidence to support it."
My thoughts exactly. Helloheisman, if you wish to advance a claim such as "I believe RichRod's gameplanning and play calling have been atrocious," please proceed back it up with stats/examples like enjoylife has done. You insight the ire of myself as well as others when you make a blanket accusation and then provide no edvidence enforcing said accusation.
You especially invoke my ire when I take the time to provide you with counterpoints to your statements laden with research, and you quickly dismiss them despite not providing any information to the contrary. If you provide info/stats to go along with your claims I will respect you. Even though I may disagree with you, I will respect your opinion because I am able to see where you are coming from and that you have taken the time to gather information in support of your claim.
That is all.
October 15th, 2008 at 8:07 AM ^
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October 15th, 2008 at 3:18 PM ^
Their run blocking sucks dong and the QB's can't pass for shit. What are you gonna do?
Quick kick?
Do the old Fielding Yost thing, kick on the early downs, get a field position advantage on your opponent, and let your defense win the game. Opps, there's the flaw.