Tom Crean - Jeff Meyer confrontation follow-up stories

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Tom Crean - Jeff Meyer confrontation follow-up stories

I know there was a thread created about the initial confrontation last night, but late last night one of the reasons for the incident was caught on camera, and there have been a fair number of stories today that touch on it.

After the game, Tom Crean was caught on camera shouting "You wrecked our program!" to Jeff Meyer, who was one of Kelvin Sampson's assistants at Indiana.  Sampson resigned over recruiting violations and Indiana was given 3 years probation, although two of Sampson's assistants -- Meyer and Dan Dakich -- were found to be innocent of major wrongdoing.  Video (volume is really low, may need to adjust your speakers):

A bonus little dramatic acting job for the cameras at the end there, eh?  You can tell that Oladipo is thinking "Coach, you're freaking me out right now!"

Dan Wetzel's article is pretty good, although it puts Crean in a more positive light than we'd like: link

TheWolverine re-published an article from last year on Jeff Meyer, which is a good read: link

If you didn't read all of last night's thread, interesting comment from a maize rage member: link

EDIT: ESPN front page story with higher-quality video and Seth Greenberg's disapproval: link

"It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach."

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March 11th, 2013 at 8:51 AM | what a douche.  (Score:5 Normal)
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what a douche. 

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March 11th, 2013 at 9:04 AM | Not to stray too far from the (Score:5 Normal)
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Not to stray too far from the OP, but here's exhibit #1 as to why Crean is a douche.  

He pulled a kid's scholarship last fall and didn't even have the decency to tell the kid straight.  

Granted, not only had the kid earned a bachelor's degree in four years, he earned his master's in four years.  However, Crean should have been more forthcoming and just told him - you're not getting a fifth year, instead of being vague.  

Roth sounds like a good kid.  You don't treat good people that way.  

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/27/matt-roth-a-victim-of-indianas-scholarship-numbers/

March 11th, 2013 at 10:45 AM | 5th years not guaranteed (Score:1)
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You do realize we pull fifth years all the time in football, right?  To me, that is a non-story.  The team owes you four years or a degree.  If you wanted a good story about Crean screwing over a kid, the Ron Patterson story from last fall is much fishier.  No one ever proved it was anything less than above-board, but it was a little to convenient for my taste.  Still bothers me as an IU grad.  

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March 11th, 2013 at 3:24 PM | I addressed this in a post (Score:3 Normal)
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I addressed this in a post further down, at 8:19 AM.  It's not that he didn't offer a fifth year.  It's how he did it.  

March 11th, 2013 at 10:48 AM | I recently listened to the IU (Score:1)
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I recently listened to the IU "Inside the Hall" podcast and they had Roth on as a guest. This topic was somewhat awkward with the fanboy hosts.

Link? Link. http://www.insidethehall.com/2013/03/08/podcast-on-the-brink-matt-roth/

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March 11th, 2013 at 8:52 AM | Tom Crean (Score:2 Normal)
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Keeping it classy.  What an asshole.

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March 11th, 2013 at 8:55 AM | Yep, it was all Meyer's fault (Score:5 Normal)
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Yep, it was all Meyer's fault right? indiana suffered what, 3-4 years?

Michigan suffered for 15 years and had our own arena taken over by opposing fans multiple times a year. Don't talk to our coaches about a program being wrecked, dickhead.

Give me a break. God I hope indiana becomes the first 1 seed to lose to a 16 just to see that shithead's face after the game. 

Pisses me off. I really shouldn't be surprised since he's an izzo stooge. 

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March 11th, 2013 at 9:21 AM | This (Score:5 Normal)
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"God I hope indiana becomes the first 1 seed to lose to a 16 just to see that shithead's face after the game."  Totally agree.

Nothing would please me more than to see this douche and his precious "program" humiliated like this. 

I cannot stand Tom Crean. Other coaches like Izzo or Bo Ryan are annoying, but I can at least respect them. The little respect I had for Crean before yesterday is gone. Pardon my french, but fuck IU. I hope they lose every game from here on out.

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March 11th, 2013 at 10:26 AM | This sounds exactly like what (Score:2)
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This sounds exactly like what I was yelling at my TV after the game yesterday. Can't agree more. Indiana plays like their coach acts- whiney entitled assholes. Seeing them go out in the first round would be too good.

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March 11th, 2013 at 8:59 AM | Tom Crean is mentally (Score:5 Normal)
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Tom Crean is mentally unstable.

Also, has he confronted Dan Dakich about "wrecking 'his' program"?  I mean, Dakich was also an assistant under Sampson.

Regarding Meyer, I'm pretty sure Beilein, the head of the Ethics Committee, wouldn't hire someone without being confident the guy was on the up-and-up.

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March 11th, 2013 at 9:02 AM | Michigan will never hire (Score:1 Normal)
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Michigan will never hire anyone questionable again. ESPECIALLY in the basketball program. 

When the ADept sells special jerseys and gear, you'll see my picture next to the targeted customer crowd. A sheep.....but a Blue one.....

March 11th, 2013 at 9:16 AM | Not true on Dak (Score:1 Normal)
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He was director of basketball operations at IU, and then moved onto the bench after the Sampson stuff came out. He wasn't involved in recruiting or coaching until the fiasco.

March 11th, 2013 at 9:30 AM | My mistake (Score:2)
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I thought he was an assistant and saw the OP's statement as an affirmation of that.

"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."

- Jack Handey

March 11th, 2013 at 9:45 AM | Dakich (Score:1)
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does love Meyer though, and wasn't pleased with how Crean acted. I wish he would have been more professional. I understand there is tension between the two and a backstory, but it's not the time or place to hash that out.

March 11th, 2013 at 9:25 AM | A mentally unstable head coach at IU? (Score:5 Normal)
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Never seen this before.

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March 11th, 2013 at 11:06 AM | OMG (Score:3 Normal)
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I can't believe you have never heard or Bobby Kn....

Oh i see what you did there.  Touche.

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March 11th, 2013 at 11:51 AM | Bobby who? (Score:2)
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I was talking about Lee Corso.

Just kidding, I actually like Corso for the most part. Although he probably did go a little crazy because of Wangler to Carter.

"[The University of Michigan] was, in short, the testing ground for all my prejudices, my beliefs and my ignorance, and it helped to lay out the boundaries of my life."--Arthur Miller

March 11th, 2013 at 8:57 AM | this is one of those clips (Score:3 Normal)
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that are destined to bite him in the ass.  Either in the tourney or in recruiting, somewhere.  

March 11th, 2013 at 9:05 AM | Wow (Score:3 Normal)
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What a low class idiot. I dont think they're legit enough to make a deep run this year,  so I hope their outed in a extremely humiliating fashion.  Looks to me ever since Crean has had some minor success and got a little national attention that he has taken a turn for the worse. 

March 11th, 2013 at 9:10 AM | mark titus aka 'club trillion' is right... (Score:5 Normal)
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tweet from last night: 

Crean is like a crazy chick on The Bachelor. His peers hate him, he never thinks he's at fault, and he inevitably gets sent home early

March 11th, 2013 at 9:10 AM | Tom Crean, Jim (Score:5 Normal)
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Tom Crean, Jim Harbaugh...what is it about that family that causes them to handle post-game handshakes so badly?  

Harbaugh has had problems going back to his days at Stanford.  Crean has had several problems this year with post-game handshakes.  

WTF?   Show some class.  

1. Whether you win or lose, swallow your pride.  

2. Look your opponent in the eyes.  

3. Give them a firm handshake.  

4. Say "good game", or don't say it.  That's fine.  If you can't say it, keep your mouth shut.  

5. Return to your team and proceed with your day/evening.  

 

March 11th, 2013 at 9:12 AM | Scumbag (Score:5 Normal)
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Think about the mentality he must have.  It's disgusting.  They just clinched a B1G title and likely one seed and have a great team and his focus is on isolating out the opposing team's assistant and berating him for things that (a) he probably had little or nothing to do with and (b) happened when Crean had nothing to do with IU.  How about having a positive attitude and celebrating your team's accomplishments? 

What a fucking loser.

"close your mouth and open your mind" - Al Borges

March 11th, 2013 at 9:24 AM | If Crean had a bone to pick (Score:5 Normal)
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If Crean had a bone to pick with Meyer over this issue, why didn't he do it before yesterday?  

I'm sure they've seen each other at various coaching and/or B1G conferences in the past 5 years.  

Hell, he could have done it after any game in the past five years.  Meyer has been at Michigan since 2008.  Crean has been at IU since 2008.  (4 or 5 years, depending on when they were hired in 2008.  I'm not sure)

Why pick now to jump in Meyer's shit over this?  

March 11th, 2013 at 9:12 AM | What a cherry pick... (Score:0 Normal)
March 11th, 2013 at 9:14 AM | Tom Crean (Score:4 Normal)
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The same Tom Crean thats too much of a classless douche bag to handle a post game hand shake professionally. 

March 11th, 2013 at 9:28 AM | Dude, (Score:-1 Trolling)
March 11th, 2013 at 9:33 AM | Michigan sources are saying (Score:2)
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Michigan sources are saying that?  Where did you read that?  

Where's the link? 

 

March 11th, 2013 at 9:37 AM | Ok (Score:3 Normal)
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Ok well a video shows me that Crean is walking way out his way to say something to him, so im not sure how you figured that one up. Also your right im sure all the coaches dont care for each other at times, but it seems like theres eleven other coaches who can hold it in long enough to get a handshake out of the way and handle their business in private. Its called professionalism. Crean gets paid alot of money to not act like a asshole.

March 11th, 2013 at 9:41 AM | Crean was wrong to act like he did (Score:-1 Trolling)
March 11th, 2013 at 9:47 AM | How do you double post  13 (Score:3 Normal)
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How do you double post  13 minutes apart?  

and where is the link?  Where are you hearing that Meyer said that?  

March 11th, 2013 at 9:56 AM | My timestamp (Score:-1 Trolling)
March 11th, 2013 at 3:39 PM | Meyer told him to F off in (Score:2)
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Meyer told him to F off in the handshake line.

If he did, there should be video of it. Feel free to produce evidence.

March 11th, 2013 at 3:44 PM | Meyer told him to F off in (Score:2)
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Meyer told him to F off in the handshake line.

If he did, there should be video of it. Feel free to produce evidence.

March 11th, 2013 at 9:42 AM | sorry (Score:-1 Trolling)
March 11th, 2013 at 9:19 AM | Cherry pick?  Bullshit.  I (Score:2)
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Cherry pick?  Bullshit.  I acknowledged the kid had earned two degrees in four years.  It was only a fifth (optional) year that was in question.

There's nothing wrong with not giving the kid a fifth year.  That happens all the time.  It was a matter of how Crean handled it.  

You can do what Crean did and let the kid "read between the lines", or you can be straight-forward with the kid and tell him he's not getting a fifth year.  

So what if the kid says his words were taken out of context.  There's nothing to gain by burning that bridge.  By burning a bridge with Crean, he's potentially burning bridges with alumni that support Crean.  No proof here, but just an understanding of how things work.  

 

March 11th, 2013 at 9:34 AM | then also include the articles (Score:-1 Trolling)
March 11th, 2013 at 9:45 AM | This is from the (Score:2 Normal)
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This is from the article:

 

Roth said he and Crean spoke briefly at camp, but he didn’t want to pull Crean away from coaching the young players at the camp. Roth said even though Crean didn’t directly address his status, he did tell Roth to use him as a reference for any job applications. He said he appreciated that, but it also allowed him to read between the lines.

“You kind of put one and one together there,” Roth said.

He's quoted as saying "You kind of put one and one together there.", which is my point.  He didn't directly tell him - you're done.  

If you don't understand that burning a bridge with your coach at a major university will negatively impact your job opportunities, then I can't talk to you.  

Will you still have some opportunities?  Sure.  Will you have far fewer because of what may or may not have happened?  Yes.  

I've also noticed that your account was created on the same day that this Matt Roth scholarship story broke, Auguest 27, 2012.  That's interesting.  

March 11th, 2013 at 9:49 AM | Lol (Score:-1 Trolling)
March 11th, 2013 at 9:56 AM | Why haven't you posted a link (Score:4 Normal)
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Why haven't you posted a link to an article or tweet, or anything that Meyer told Crean to F-off?

Share the link.  Otherwise, I'll assume you read it on an IU board and it's total bullshit, IU fans trying to rationalize their coach being an asshole.  

March 11th, 2013 at 10:07 AM | hee's some twitter stuff (Score:-1 Trolling)
March 11th, 2013 at 12:03 PM | There were multiple reports (Score:2 Normal)
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There were multiple reports Crean didn't shake hands with anyone.  How could of this happen in the handshake line?

March 11th, 2013 at 10:10 AM | Yeah (Score:2)
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To me it sounded like one of those "thats what probably happened" sources. 

 

 

Edit: Wow never mind, a guy named "Chronic Hoosier' is even better hahaha

March 11th, 2013 at 10:19 AM | My point exactly.  They're (Score:4 Normal)
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My point exactly.  They're both IU honks.  

March 11th, 2013 at 10:21 AM | Doesn't change the fact (Score:-1 Trolling)
March 11th, 2013 at 11:30 AM | Sure there are two sides, but (Score:3 Normal)
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Sure there are two sides, but you copied & pasted tweets from two IU supporters, one with a link to an IU fan message board.  You're taking hearsay from IU boards and referencing it here as though it were fact.  

That makes you as big an asshat as Crean is.  

March 11th, 2013 at 10:08 AM | Here you go. (Score:2)
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Roth says in fact they'd been in contact about the scholarship situation all summer. However, the final numbers weren't clear until after the semester started.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/matt-roth-defends-tom-crean-decision-not-renew-143015529--ncaab.html

Money quote:

"Obviously, the scholarship situation didn't work out in my favor. Prior to the end of the school year and our meetings, they were very positive. They wanted me to keep building my game and train, even if it was on my own. At the same time, they wanted to help me in any way possible, whether that was play somewhere else or play overseas in a certain league here or there. They did make those options available and offered a lot of support."

 

Believe what you want to believe, but do note that Mo Creek is on his fourth scholarship year even after devastating knee injuries (he has played some this season), and that Matt Roth has come to IU games this season. So there's evidence that Crean is not kicking IU underperformers off the bus.

March 11th, 2013 at 10:59 AM | Fan of IU Basketball and UM (Score:2 Normal)
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Fan of IU Basketball and UM Football? That's convenient.

How are the Yankees looking this year? Do they have someone in the Farm system to replace Mariano?

You think Romo's gonna get a huge contract now that Flacco got his? Will Dez Bryant ever become elite?

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

March 11th, 2013 at 11:15 AM | Duke (Score:4 Normal)
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Probably has a soft spot for Duke too.

March 11th, 2013 at 11:30 AM | I root for (Score:-1 Trolling)
March 11th, 2013 at 9:14 AM | From Urban (Score:5 Normal)
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From Urban Dictionary:

 

1. Creaning 228 up, 50 down
 
Spending so much time at the tanning salon that your skin appears orange.
After another session of creaning, he looked like a cross between TomArnold and an Oompa Loompa.

 

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