Sunday NCAA tourney open thread
A few thoughts:
1. I remember thinking that our loss to Alabama was awful because Bama had lost to Cornell. It may have been a bad loss anyway, but Cornell is clearly legit. Congrats to them.
2. Why are Bo Ryan's teams so mediocre in the tournament? They seem to have all the key ingredients: good guard play, good shooting and a very low turnover total. Still, they never seem to amount to much in the tourney.
3. I will never cease to be amazed at how MSU's reputation as a "physical team" allows them to reach in and go over the back like crazy.
Come on people the health care thread has 20 replies and the tourney thread has 0? What kind of sports fans are we? Some interesting games going on right now. Cornell is playing the best of any team I've seen all year, absolutely crushing Wisconsin.
...why did it take 3.5 hours for a Tourney thread to go up today?
I will never pick against them again. I had them winning through and beating Wisky but went with Temple at the last possible second.
Never, ever again.
Sucks to be you.
perhaps healthcare is more important than basketball?
EDIT: Evidently not to the mods!
They haven't played D in the last 5 min. Also, does cornell miss a shot?
Man I'm so pissed about the OSU-GTech game. I fucking hate Ohio State. They ruin EVERYTHING.
I picked MSU to make it to the Elite Eight so their winning I don't mind.
MSU just can't win comfortably, can they?
Wow, Sparty is trying to choke this game away.
Haha Sparty!
get a pressbreak sparty
why doesn't MSU ever blow teams out? So frustrating.
This is an epic collapse down the stretch. Still have a chance to pull it out
Unfamiliar for Spartan Basketball but, Sparty Noooo!!!
WTF?0
Fuck State.
Wowow. That was insane
Michigan State GODDAMIT!
But that was an awesome shot.
Sparty haha. Biggest shot of CL's life.
People don't seem to realize it's spelled Korie.
Amazing shot. I had Maryland, but oh well.
De-Lucious.
congrats to sparty. great shot by Lucious, and Green did what he does. Such a smart player. Maryland played their hearts out -- gotta feel for Vasquez
I see Izzo was trying to get a timeout
Holy fuck that was awesome.
Well, that just perpetuates how badly my bracket is doing today. Figures.
Yeah well OSU's win fucked me over. Just one more reason to hate them...
I have MSU and OSU facing off in my Elite 8. That side of my bracket isn't doing so badly.
What made you think State would beat Maryland? I had Maryland winning and was pretty confident with my pick.
I didn't feel that strongly about UMd, especially past Vasquez. I find it hard to pick against Izzo when I don't particularly like something about the other team.
Lucsious, Lucas who gives a fuck? Sparty saved with a buzzer beater
but that was just an amazing sequence of basketball.
Also, decent for the big 10, I suppose while Wisconsin is getting whooped by Cornell.
Games where no one has timeouts so the game has to go on are so much more exciting than those foul-timeout-foul-timeout-timeout finishes that take 20 minutes.
I have no idea how anyone could have negged you for this comment. I'm a big basketball fan, but I hate the choppy end to most close games because of all the timeouts.
the whole game is chopped up with those deadball tv timeouts every 4 minutes
That's not a big deal. In a four-minute span, there should be 8-12 total possessions. I don't mind giving players a break then. But calling timeouts after every possession in the final minute (and there are often lots of them thanks to late fouls) is too much.
I thought the Kansas-Memphis NCAA final two years back was a damn disgrace, because the actual basketball game stopped with a minute to go and it became a foul shot series - like a rope-and-dope.
I know you gotta make your free throws to win games, but it's just ridiculous when the entire endgame relies on a long series of shots at the line.
ruin the end of what should be exciting basketball games. The penalty for fouling to stop the clock should be more harsh. Maybe three shots per foul or something. Just something -- anything -- to reduce or remove the incentive to absolutely destroy every last shred of excitement in the part of the game that should be most exciting.
I agree it breaks the flow, but isn't clutch foul shooting a mark of a great team? There's a reason the teams that win the NCAA have that in common.
Yeah, I don't think you can change the rules about fouling. Last-minute fouls do make it easier to stage comebacks. I see them as a necessary evil. But the timeouts need to be cut back. Maybe limit teams to one in the last two minutes.
I think it's kind of odd to let intentional rule-breaking give a team a better shot at a comeback. I also don't like that the harm to that team's chances of making the comeback is largely dependent on the other team making its foul shots.
Actually...if it's apparent they're fouling to stop the clock, why not just call them as intentional fouls? Seems like that wouldn't be a big stretch.
This concept exists in other sports. In baseball there are intentional walks. In football, DBs will deliberately commit pass interference when they're beaten deep, and sometimes teams will even deliberately let a team score a TD at the end of a game to get the ball back. And so on.
As for intentional fouls, that rule needs to be scrapped and replaced with a flagrant foul rule. It's obvious that it's intentional harm that matters to officials, and not intentional fouling.
An intentional walk isn't breaking the rules to gain an advantage; it's using the rules to avoid giving a great hitter a chance to make contact. Throwing a ball rather than a strike isn't illegal.
Likewise, letting the other team score isn't illegal. It's extraordinarily unlikely to work, but it's not illegal to play intentionally bad defense.
And intentionally committing pass interference is NOTHING like late-game fouling in basketball. When you intentionally commit pass interference, the other team gets a first down and another chance at scoring. The penalty for pass interference is among the most severe in the game. It may prevent the touchdown on that play, but it still puts the team in a significantly worse position than it was in prior to the penalty.
You're splitting hairs here. A walk is a penalty for throwing four unhittable pitches, just as free throws are a penalty for committing a foul when your team is in the bonus.
Philosophical issues aside, late-game fouls are realistically never going to go away. If you want the end of games to go more more smoothly, you have to focus your attention on limiting timeouts.
Maybe, but it doesn't effectively guarantee something good for the team intentionally walking the batter as basketball fouls do in effectively guaranteeing another possession for the team that committed the foul. It's not a full guarantee, but it's close enough -- that's why teams foul.
I do agree that late-game fouls aren't likely to go away, but I do think they harm the game, so I'm still inclined to talk about the problem when it comes up.
I'm not entirely sure limiting timeouts would really solve the problem, though, because then there would likely just be MORE fouls at the end of the game to make up for the inability to stop the clock legally. It'd still be choppy and nearly unwatchable; it'd just be a different sort of choppy and unwatchable.
Fuck a turtle.
jeez, what a finish. But seriously? Cornell??? By 20???