Suggestions for naming the Big Ten divisions

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Adam Rittenberg has a piece out in which he asks for suggestions on naming the Big Ten divisions. As Jim Delany mentions in this Chicago Tribune piece, they want to avoid names that apply to one or two schools. 

The challenge, Big Ten officials say, comes from a reluctance to use either geography or the names of legendary conference coaches or athletes that would represent just two schools.

Anyone out there have any good suggestions?  I thought of two: naming one division after Amos Alonzo Stagg (the legendary U. Chicago coach, when Chicago was a leading power in the Big Ten); and naming the divisions after two of the Great Lakes, esp. Lakes Michigan and Erie, since they border the most Big Ten states.

UPDATE: Rittenberg has posted his reader feedback. A number of our suggestions made it into his list, including Stagg/Berwanger, Corn/Cars, and Black/Blue.

Seth

November 4th, 2010 at 11:25 AM ^

Very good point (and good movie).

Note, however, that there's a world of difference between playing Indian (or playing Indiana) and paying tribute. Whatever the initial intention, names like "Illini" and "Seminoles" are specific to that place's cultural history -- like naming a Welsh team the Gwynned or something. So long as they have agreements with the survivors of those nations, I think it can be a good thing - how can it hurt to associate your school with the history embedded in that land? Hopefully it can lead to settlers adopting some of that culture as their own. I have a major problem with Cleveland's baseball team, and an even bigger one with Washington's NFL team.

The idea of naming divisions after important historical figures in our region is something I could support. Doing it by culture group or nation group, eh, not so much.

Going by nations or cultures would probably be too difficult anyway, since the divisional alignments don't match any historical configuration we know of. The Algonquin cultural group was the most dominant across this geographical landscape, although Sioux culture was much more predominant in Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska and parts of Wisconsin, and Iroquois culture was certainly predominant in Pennsylvania and much of Ohio. Remember, however, that these groups had no borders, and our maps are really bad for determining a historical balance point because these balance points were horribly upset by the intrusion of European settlers. Whenever a French or English colonist/trader tried to get an American Indian to draw borders on a map, he'd either be met with a stare that says "uh...own land? are you crazy?" or perhaps if he met someone well-traveled or knowledgeable, at best he would probably get a gross exaggeration of the extent of that guy's people or culture. An English map that shows Iroquois all across Ohio and Indiana is met by a French map written the same month that doesn't have the Iroquois going much past New York.

Nation groups within these culture groups are probably too small. Many cross over two or three states, but none would represent a territory so wide as the Big Ten's footprint. And they moved...a lot. Like at one point you could say the Illini owned Illinois, and the Potawattami were Michigan, and the Miami were Ohio, and the Dakota were Minnesota, kinda. But they were a lot like post-Roman Germanic tribes -- at any given point they could be settled in an entirely new place. I think there was a major shift too in the 1600s when Hurons called the Ojibwe (also: Chippewaw) rushed out of Ontario into Michigan and displaced a lot of the old groups -- the Saginaw (i.e. Sauk) I think were a remnant of what used to be the dominant nation group before then. Even the word Ojibwe might have been something akin to our word "Viking," or maybe "Barbarian," except the invaders, once settled, kind of took the name for their own.

Kind of an irony in the debate over team names: the common words we have for tribes were usually not those they called themselves, but exonyms (names others call them) given to us by East Coast groups. It would be like calling Michiganders "Thastateupnorthers" and then repeating it so often that a few centuries from now we call ourselves "Thastableners." A lot of those words were probably unkind because of the nature with our source's dealings with those people. For example, the Delaware word for "unclean" is "tuweh," and "Miami" comes from "twahtwah" -- perhaps this was originally an exonym given to Miami invaders by the Delaware?

If we are to pay tribute to the original Midwesterners, I suggest it's done by honoring important figures, not groups.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

November 4th, 2010 at 10:10 AM ^

Problem with Great Lakes and Great Plains, cool-sounding though they may be, is that you end up with either Michigan in the Great Plains division or Nebraska in the Great Lakes division, neither of which works at all.

I'd like naming them after Great Lakes, but you can't have Michigan or Superior, and Ontario makes no damn sense either, which really only leaves Huron and Erie and that's not too relevant to most of the schools.

If it were me I'd name them after Indian tribes.  Chippewa Division and Huron Division or something.  Or Sauk.  Or Algonquin.  Not much better way to capture the culture of the area unless you want to call them the Rust Division and Corn Division.  Of course, today's NCAA ith jutht too thenthitive to thingth like that, but with permission it could be done.

Vasav

November 4th, 2010 at 10:23 AM ^

Instead of Rust, let's be positive and go with cars. The domestic auto industry seems to be healthily rebounding, and is obviously a huge part of the economy Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and even Minnesota and Illinois.

Or if cars is too Michigan centric, why not Agriculture and Industry? What's more Big Ten, Heartland, and American than that? Ricky Stanzi would approve.

Seth

November 4th, 2010 at 10:54 AM ^

cool idea.

Except 1.) Wisconsin (in the JA Division) will probably have our division's axe most of the time, and 2.) the Paul Bunyan trophy is a piece of cottage schlock some governor probably picked up at Forwards in West Branch and his wife thought so ugly he had to get rid of it. Giving any more recognition to that hideous thing is probably not a good idea, especially when there are so many cool trophies in this division.

Seth

November 4th, 2010 at 10:43 AM ^

I always liked how in the NHL they used divisional names to pay tribute to important figures in their history. Since they want to stay away from anything that's attributable to any one school, here's two hugely important names for the conference, neither of which are attached to any one school:

Palmer: for the building where the first organizers met: M, MSU, Neb, Iowa, Minn, NW. The conference founders had several important meetings there as the Big Ten took shape.

Griffith: for the first Big Ten commissioner: OSU, PSU, Purdue, Illini, Ind, Wis. He was commish from the founding until he died in 1944.

Both have strong roots in Chicago, which city we can probably all agree is our conference's logical capital, and the city that was split with these divisions.

Or....

How about the "Ohio State" division, since all of that division's schools mostly are in states that touch the Ohio River, and the "Michigan" division after Lake Michigan.

Seems pretty fair. No one school can say they own a river or a lake, right?

I also recommend we institute a program so that the newer conference members can get acclimated. So the newer schools like Nebraska, Penn State and Michigan State can all have "big brothers" in their divisions who can show them around and serve as role models until the new schools pick up on the tough academic demands.

Lastly, because we are all gentlemanly schools, we should have a conference-wide strict chivalric code of "Some Facts: Our Lady," which so everyone knows how classical we are should be said in French thus: "Desfaits Notre Dame."

Firstbase

November 4th, 2010 at 11:07 AM ^

Mutt and Jeff.

Frick and Frack.

Bonnie and Clyde.

Batman and Robin.

Tom and Jerry.

Flim and Flam.

Moe and Curly.

Feast and Famine.

The possibilities are endless!

Alton

November 4th, 2010 at 12:33 PM ^

The division with Northwestern will be the "Grant" division.

The division with Ohio State will be the "Sherman" division.

It's a 2-for-1:  historical names with local geographical relevance AND annoy the ACC and SEC fans.

Ben from SF

November 4th, 2010 at 1:15 PM ^

Tits and Ass Divisions...  will be good for recruiting.

In all seriousness, I think Delaney should sell the naming rights to the two divisions for $10M each, and use the proceeds to set up an independent venture capital fund.  The fund will invest in emerging technology startups based in one of the Big 10 states with no operations overseas.

jmblue

November 4th, 2010 at 4:28 PM ^

It should be East and West.  Anything else just seems contrived.  (And this hopefully will spur the league, when it revisits the divisional alignment after 2012, to realign using straight geography.)