Tater

March 16th, 2014 at 1:11 AM ^

I really like Aaron Craft.  He is one of those players you would hate to play against but love to have on your own team.  But he choked this game away between the two late missed free throws and the "oops" at the end.  

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March 16th, 2014 at 12:30 PM ^

We'd be talking about retiring his number.  In part, because he'd not only be a starter and a leader, he'd be an invaluable part of the machinery on our team.  Michigan would be a much, much, much better team with Aaron Craft.

There seems to be a peculiar thing in sports where your rival's "white guy" gets special treatment as a hate-object.  So you see comments at a normally clear-eyed and smart place like Eleven Warriors, about how many faces on the Michigan bench they'd like to punch.  (A reference to Spike Albrecht, Mitch McGary and Andrew Dakich.)  And, apropos of this thread, all our rivals are saving a special brand of hatred for none other than Nik Stauskas.  Unlike any hatred of any of our quality black players.

Our rivals didn't hate Trey Burke that way.  (They hated Burke, in all liklihood, but not "that way.")  They did hate Zach Novak that way.  We don't hate anybody at MSU (Appling, Harris, Mateen Cleaves, Steve Smith), the same way we hated Scott Skiles.  It's a kind of a universal license in sports.  Lines that you'd not normally cross, in hating on a black opposing star, fall away in hating on a rival white star.

Anyway, someday very soon, Aaron Craft is just going to be a former Ohio State basketball player.  He'll be remembered for playing very well, and harder than anybody had ever seen, and being a remarkably good kid.  And he'll go on to medical school, and a department chairmanship at the Cleveland Clinic or the OSU medical faculty at the Wexner Medical Center, or some such thing.  Aaron Craft is going to do just fine.

Prince Lover

March 16th, 2014 at 1:05 PM ^

You completely lost me at I didn't hate Cleaves. Trust me when I say, I HATED Cleaves. And when I say hated, that's wrong. I should say hate. Because I still turn the TV off any time I see him as an analyst. By the way, I never hated Nietzel(sp?) that way. And I'm pretty sure UM'S crowd didn't chant CBA to Drew like they did with Mateen. And I also disagree that our rivals didn't hate the Fab 5 which if my memory serves correct, didn't have any white guys. We loved them because they were ours, but our rivals most certainly did not.

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March 16th, 2014 at 1:16 PM ^

So; yeah, I didn't much like Magic Johnson and Jay Vincent.  Or Mateen Cleaves.  And our friends over in East Lansing probably didn't care for Glen Rice, or Antoine Joubert.  People like you and me probably shouldn't be polled about our feelings as to any of the Spartans.  But none of those guys are anywhere near as polarizing as a Skiles, a Novak, a Stauskas, a Steve Grote, etc.

And yes, the Fab Five did everything humanly possible to make themselves lighting-rods for attention (and, consequently, rival-hate).

I'm glad that you at least "agree with some of [my] argument," because I don't claim it to be any sort of mathematically perfect algorithm.  You make a good point that we tend to love our own white guys (the way that we would love a Novak/Grote/Stauskas; and the way that Buckeyes would love a Deibler/Craft/Allan Hornyak) and hate the opponents' white guys (ditto every one of those names).

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March 16th, 2014 at 1:34 PM ^

The object of my ridicule is basically the entire world of sports fandom...

I didn't criticize whites, or blacks.  I didn't pick on any one team.  (I think all fans, from all quarters, are mostly alike in this regard.)  I didn't single out any one player or group of players for criticism; my one and only point was how "polarizing" white basketball players can be amongst their rivals.

Is that what gets called out nowadays as "race-baiting"?  Shheeeeesh.

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bluebyyou

March 16th, 2014 at 1:48 PM ^

If you follow Duke basketball at all, there are a couple of players I remember that were the subject of the type of dislike that you are talking about. - Christian Laettner and JJ Reddick.

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March 16th, 2014 at 1:56 PM ^

Christian Laettner is a wonderful example of what I am talking about.  Bobby Hurley (not Reddick) would be next on that list.

My own feelings are of course mixed up in anything I write, so yeah; Christian Laettner.  Bobby Hurley.  Kent Benson.  Steve Alford.  Kelly Tripucka.  Bill Laimbeer.  Larry Bird.  Danny Ainge.  (The guys from Duke, IU and Notre Dame are twofers.)  Etc., etc.

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Vengeful Barbarian

March 16th, 2014 at 2:14 PM ^

"There seems to be a peculiar thing in sports where your rival's "white guy" gets special treatment as a hate-object."

Dude, you brought race into your argumentthen you ask WTF? Seriously, what does his race have to do with it? It seems that you trying to make the point that the "white guy" gets no respect, which most certainly sounds like race baiting to me.

ST3

March 16th, 2014 at 5:26 PM ^

The 2nd definition given in urbandictionary.com defines race baiting as, "baiting people, using racially-inflammatory issues or stereotypes." On an innocent post about Stauskas' girlfriend making Aaron Craft into cereal, you decided to write about how "white" players are more hated than black players, or that we have a special hatred for white players. How is this not a stereotype? What was the purpose of your post other than to bait people to comment about which white or black players they hate? It was just a stupid comment. I cannot understand how your account survived the great purge of '13 that claimed folks like M-Wolverine. I will never upvote one of your posts even if I agree with it, just because of the shear volume of nonsense you regularly post.

Mr. Yost

March 16th, 2014 at 3:16 PM ^

Plenty of people hate Appling, Harris and Valentine. I personally can't STAND Harris or his shit stache. Everyone hated the Fab 5. Or Braylon. People don't hate our black players because this group doesn't really show any emotion. We BEG for GR3 to show us something and we have created this HALOL meme about Horford's lack of emotion. Irvin just smiles all the time and Morgan is largely unnoticed along with Walton. Meanwhile we do have some guys that are emotional, have fun, make faces and dance nonstop. They happen to be white on this team. So what. If they were black...people would still hate them for clowning around. Look how McGary and Craft play...they're players that every team wants and will hate if they're on the other team. If Morgan was running 110mph and going nuts over everything and basically everything else McGary does...people would hate him too. That was one of your most ignorant posts ever.

LSAClassOf2000

March 16th, 2014 at 7:11 AM ^

This is merely a general reminder to the board, but for the sake of everyone, this might be as specific as anyone should dare get. There have been "incidents" in the past where the privacy of players has been potentially violated. 

A couple months ago, in a thread that was eventually deleted for its overt creepiness, someone revealed some very personal information about Nik Stauskas' girlfriend and that user was removed from the site as a result. 

Z_Wolverista

March 16th, 2014 at 2:36 PM ^

and this is one of the reasons I love MGoBlog.

BUT, do hafta say -- if the above *is* true, that information might be useful in improving Toledo's local rag's coverage of our fair team. Even the assigned Michigan reporter showed no faith in the team -- or the rivalry -- in November for the OSU - Michigan game (predicted a blow-out). 

Positively sucks of late -- oozing in Craft-love as Michigan wins the B1G, which you'd hardly know it from reading the paper.

They do, however, love to tout anything related to "their" kids out in the world.

So... Go GF!!!

MichiganTeacher

March 16th, 2014 at 1:27 AM ^

Outstanding. ESPN ought to just go ahead and replace Olberman with Nik's girlfriend.