Sports Illustrated supports Harbaugh's statement
There are more people than not who recognize Harbaugh was simply stating facts. Decent read here, but nothing earth shaking.
This whole thing has become overblown and ridiculous. Leave it to the internet to make a story out of nothing and take something out of context to drive clicks on their shoddy reporting.
Shocking, I know.
Fire Harbaugh!
Same media spin cycle all my life.
Something factual stated or random opinion uttered.
Media blows out of proportion by taking it out of context, or implying it means more than was said.
Outrage for a couple days by people who listen to media outlets.
Media ratchets back original over-reaction, pretending to be unaware they started the whole thing.
Profit.
Only difference to 2019 from 1979 is 100 million people spouting their opinions on Twitter or message boards who can be quoted for additional outrage and stupid takes.
A quibble: "media" is a strong word. An individual commentator or two is not media writ large and I'd hate to conflate real journalists with the screaming morons. That said, your point re social media is absolutely on target and it's a damn shame that some folks so easily buy stupid takes from Random Internet Guy.
Yes but I wouldn't let the mainstream media/news organizations off so lightly. There is the initial outrage from the few and then the mainstream news outlets often echo the most extreme opinions/perspectives. These organizations know that controversy sells so they inflate "controversy."
I would still take information from counter strike guy. He was money
I made a comment to CounterStrikeGuy just a couple weeks ago!
I blame the parent's statement which got this whole thing started.
@carpetbagger
This is one of my favorite posts of all time. N.A.I.L.E.D. it.
Smoke 'em if you got 'em
I don't get this:
"Really, it’s just a shame he didn’t have the guts to utter it a year ago, when Meyer was defending his own indefensible conduct."
Didn't have the guts...? He wasn't asked about his thoughts on Meyer's retirement a year ago. Several are under the impression that he offered his opinion unprompted, which isn't the case. At least the CBS Sports article puts it in context, by saying "Harbaugh answered a question about Meyer's decision to leave the Buckeye's on a podcast with the Athletic's Tim Kawakami first complimenting the coach, then breaking down his off-the-field reputation."
Controversial in the eyes of overanxious Buckeyes almost everywhere.
Objectively, it is difficult for for anyone to be objective. If Harbs is telling the truth, is it for his own benefit? OSU isn't going to come to the conclusion that their conduct was wrong. Those in neither camp love "heat" to sell papers (what's a newspaper, grandpa?).
The best thing would be for this to go away.
It appears my opinion here was unpopular. If I reexamine my thoughts, I guess I was trying to answer a question that wasn't posed. The question might be something like, what does UM or Harbaugh have to gain from entering into this discourse. I am submitting that I agree with Harbaugh, but don't think it is well received coming from Harbaugh. Further, I'm not sure the depth of conversation is beyond anyone's grasp, but may be too emotionally charged. Anyway, my post wasn't well received so I thought a clarification might be in order.
End of the day, I hope University coaches don't hide domestic abuse charges from due process in order to win football games.
anyone out know how you can delete text messages over a year old?
asking for a....... i can't say it.
Truth be told, if somebody wants to find a text message of yours they can find it. Doesn't matter what you do. Best leave no reason for somebody to want to find your text messages, because if they want to bad enough they will have them in a week.
which is what made the in house "investigation" a total hoax..... they uncovered the fact that he asked university staff if it was possible to erase texts more than a year old, then they get his university provided cell phone and find that all text more than 1 year old have been deleted....yet they didn't find cause to have those messages recovered? that's a thorough and complete investigation there.
While recovery of those messages from the service provider is certainly easy enough, it takes a judge signed warrant to do so. I don't think there was any law, per se, that Meyer broke while covering up for the ball stretcher. Perhaps OSU itself had reason to request a backup from it's own servers (which probably don't exist for cell phones) due to possible violations of its personal conduct policies, but they didn't see that as necessary. Since nobody was prosecuting Meyer I court, there is no reason for a service provider to give up his phone history.
Had Meyer's involvement become a criminal matter, investigators would've had no problems in getting a warrant for the records. For general reference, text messages are stored in full, phone records do not contain the voice information, only the time, date, number, and cell tower info for calls (incoming and outgoing).
That would be true, if it was his personal phone....however it was university property, as i recall. They would not need a warrant to recover messages from their own phone.
Actually - depending on provider... the texts may not exist, or they may require a subpoena to retrieve them even for your own phone.
Employers and Employees
In City of Ontario v. Quon, the Supreme Court ruled that employers had the right to search cellular devices owned by the employer and used by the employee, if the employer believed the device was being used in such a way that broke workplace rules or the law. A search by the employer must be reasonable (i.e., employers must be able to substantiate their suspicions, rather than going on "gut feelings”), and the employer can search only the device in question. AT&T would not be able to provide any text history, because AT&T does not keep text transcripts.
I'm pretty sure the text do exist, in the same way that you can delete everything on your computer hard drive, and still every file can still be recovered by forensic tech guys who know how to do such things.
It is very unlikely that the University would need a warrant to have data retrieved from a device owned by the University. Those text messages most likely could have been recovered, if the 'investigative committee' really wanted to know what it was Urban was so interested in deleting.
Actually - they probably don't exist... because the way forensic guys recover what is deleted is largely related to the fact that deletion doesn't actually delete.
For real wiping, you overwrite the data multiple times... and phone companies (unlike the early 2000's) no longer have the storage space to keep texts much longer than about 72 hours before they are overwritten by masses of other texts.
You are correct in stating that a search warrant is needed, however not all carriers store the content of text messages.
Ten years ago, I thought email was one of the four horseman of the apocalypse - society would implode as a result of incriminating messages that can be instantly passed around the world with the click of a button. Text messaging quickly added itself to the mix (let's just forget about social media - you're digging your own personal and professional grave by being active in those arenas).
It all comes down to a few basic tenets of survival: 1) don't write that can be permanently seen by everyone when you are emotional; 2) if you're doing something wrong, don't tell anyone - let alone write it; 3) people want you to fail on the internet.
@ijohnb, agreed, but even better, just don't send a text message if there is any remote reason why you wouldn't want others to read it.
yeah, zach smith's dic pics are probably floating all over cyberspace
My advice is usually, dance like nobody is watching, but text and email like the lawyers will see it.
I hate to get in line with the sheep on regurgitating this but....
JUST WIN THE FUCKING GAME!
Yeah, but that's easier said than done when your opposing head coaches are scumbags like Tressel and Meyer, and don't play by the rules.
Seriously? What's our next excuse?
Hopefully we won't need it, but "Day is a scumbag", obviously.
He probably showers in the nude.
day looks creepy AF..... IMO
Well, yeah... I mean, he does coach at OSU (Ohio's Scumbag University).
I dunno, but that one seems pretty good by itself.
Seriously? What's our next excuse?
If you're a Detroit or Michigan fan, it's "the refs"!
Well there is only one thing left to do. Win the f*ing game.
That has worked for everyone and in every controversy. Being honest is overrated in this day and age.
"Being honest is overrated in this day and age."
Is the correct phrase 'overrated', or 'under-appreciated'? Unfortunately, lying through your teeth in loud and bombastic ways seems to be much more appreciated than it should be...
I trust you're writing this with tongue firmly planted in cheek. But it brings to mind a quote from HBO's Chernobyl, "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the Truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid".
"This might be the silliest piece of “news” to come out of college football in 2019...The Big Ten without Meyer has a controversy vacuum, and so in looking to fill it, we’re creating a hubbub over a coach acknowledging Meyer’s own controversial past. Unpack that."
Pretty much sums it up for me.
PSA on this note:
DO NOT USE YOUR PERSONAL CELL PHONE FOR WORK.
I cant tell you how many personal phones I’ve had to look through during a government investigation because the person texted work-related content. I’ve seen some pretty shocking things on those phones as a result. You don’t want an overworked young lawyer going through your phone records at 2 AM trying to pick out all the personal stuff because some of it will be missed.
Edit: This was supposed to be in reply to CRIPSED’s post, not the OP.
yes..... even FBI agents screw this rule up.....
I cant tell you how many personal phones I’ve had to look through during a government investigation because the person texted work-related content.
So when you get authority (warrant???) to do so, wouldn't that authority stipulate looking through a private phone is restricted to such business-related findings only? How can it be reasonable that anything on my phone can be used against me other than the specific work-related situation?
Not trying to be argumentative but rather, genuinely curious.
It likely can't be used against you - but do you want some random overworked legal intern to know your cheating on your wife with your kids HS counselor?
In appreciation of SI, I will flip thru the swim suit edition.
Harbaugh’s comments were a big nothing, they are undeniably true. The media making a big deal out of them are the same media who reported the facts he simply repeated. Classic case of media looking for eyeballs.
It's Tim Kawakami's fault for asking about OSU in the first place. Harbaugh should have known better.
Finally someone spoke the truth. What a blown-out-of-proportion non-story.
I'd like to ask every reporter who's making a big deal about this one question:
What story did you write one year ago?
Honestly I don't know why Harbaugh even bothers with that media event. Not all but several of those "reporters" are just playing "gotcha" and trying to stir up even some minor comment that they can they spin into a controversy. You can tell that he constantly cuts off his reponses to questions because he's afraid of this very thing. But he's also a very transparent, truthful person and its his nature to give an honest answer. In this day and age the most sane approach is that taken by Bill Belichik, who gives one-word answers laced with disdain. There is nothing a football coach can say that is anywhere near as important or profound as the performance of his team on the field.