Sports by Brooks says NSFMF to the end to Ohio State's NCAA problems
I gotta say, JT might have been the best thing that ever happened to Michigan.
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/2008-ohio-st-broke-rules-at-same-charity-…
September 13th, 2011 at 12:35 AM ^
Who is this Brook? He seems to report on a lot of garbage which doesn't make a damn bit of difference. This article points to a non-issue. There was no proven inappropriate benefits in 2008.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:58 AM ^
First, SBB usually deals in facts. Sometimes they don't have hard evidence to prove everything but I don't know what you mean by garbage. If you are saying they just make stuff up, well please provide a link.
Second, the point of this latest post by SBB is that the recent charity event problems that have put three starters on the bench apparently have been going on for years and potentially include numerous former players. If that can be proven (SBB already has pics of those players at the event), we are talking about more vacated seasons and probably LOIC. At some point, all of OSU's problems can't be explained by just a few rogue players and a lone wolf dishonest coach.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:58 AM ^
He may have a lot of stories with sensational lines, but from what he has written about OSU, they have been really lean on facts and substance.
This article implies major rules were broken and the hammer is coming down. The facts of the article are that they went to a golf outing. That was about it. They went when it was not cleared with compliance. The only way there is going to be proof of inappropriate benefits from 2008 is if the players admit it at this point.
As far as previous sensationalism, stories about buckeye players with signed merchandise in stores. Well, he picked some graduates and NFLers to highlight.
I'm not saying I wouldn't love to see OSU get hammered, but I find that Brook likes him some sensationalism.
I didn't find the least bit of substance to this article, and unfoturnately, saw nothing that is going to bring the hammer down on OSU.
I completely agree that OSU's problems can't be explained by a rogue coach, but the NCAA will actually have to investigate, or even just use the evidence available. It does not appear this is going to happen. I'll believe it when I see it. The NCAA is the most apparently non-self-rule compliant, head in the sand, corrupt, useless governing body in the US. It's even worse than our government. ANd I don't see a sensationalized article without rock solid, iron clad proof that's going to convince them they need to hammer OSU. I truly believe OSU can't do enough to get a bowl ban or significant scholarship reduction at this point.
And I would love to eat my words. But I just don't see it.
SBB comes off as a witch hunt with articles like this, professing major violations the just stating that attendance wasn't sanctioned by compliance. I wish he would wait and write something with some substance in an effort to help the NCAA to destroy tuoosu.
September 13th, 2011 at 1:13 AM ^
SBB wrote extensively about Dennis Talbott's relationship with TP and most of that sounds true. It eventually made it onto ESPN OTL with a former roommate giving testimony. SBB does not have subpoena power and has no leverage with the NCAA so nothing might come of that reporting, but the same can be said of the George Dohrmann article in SI. That doesn't make either of those reports garbage.
The facts are that three current players already have admitted taking money for attending this charity event. SBB is reporting that numerous, previously unreported, players also attended the same event in the past, in some cases without clearing it with Compliance. That is a legitimate story, especially when at least two of those players (Pryor and Herron) already have been suspended for taken benefits in other situations. Think what you want about whether the NCAA will be able to prove a violation or not (and, FWIW, no one ever said they would), but blasting SBB for reporting it is being critical of the wrong party.
September 13th, 2011 at 1:13 AM ^
He doesn't say anything inappropriate happened other than that people were there and in other years, inappropriate things happened, and some of the people there have been found to have taken other stuff at times.
Not saying the stuff about talbott was garbage, but there's nothing in this article other than guilt by association. Two degrees of association in some cases.
September 13th, 2011 at 1:57 AM ^
I just find it funny that SBB and Dohrmann have evidence to to prove everything they write (even if it is not enough to prove to the NCAA that there has been a violation), but you call what they write garbage on a gut feeling. Believe whatever you want. It still is a legitimate story and SBB did nothing wrong by reporting the facts as it knows them.
September 13th, 2011 at 10:21 AM ^
and GD in the same breath? SbB said the NCAA was holding checks with Pryor's name on them from Dennis Talbot, which is obviously bullshit. So...where was the evidence? SbB is a business, one centered on driving traffic. He gets a tip, he goes with it. There are no repurcussions for him. He has no journalistic integrity to hold up.
September 13th, 2011 at 1:47 AM ^
... In previous years -- 2007 and 2010 -- players had received approval to go this event. The pictures SBB has are from a 2008 event, which means it was not sanctioned attendance. yes, it is minor, but it isn't hearsay or guilt by association. My understanding is that this event needed sanctioning, and it was not provided in one year, for which there are photos to prove attendance. Call it small potatos -- it is -- but I wouldn't call it guilt by association.
BTW, nice Burburry (sp?) scarf TP is wearing...
September 13th, 2011 at 7:03 AM ^
it would result in a minor violation at the worst. To the objective reader, it comes off as if they are generally cleared to attend the event which is an above board type of deal. Although, they forgot to get approval one year. Other than that, it seems business as usual with a few guys breaking rules for which suspensions will be viewed by the NCAA as appropriate punishment.
Everytime anything new comes out about tsio people want to scream "LOIC!!!!!!! " But we all know deep down that they, the NCAA, won't let that happen.
September 13th, 2011 at 1:24 AM ^
tl;dr
September 13th, 2011 at 1:02 AM ^
If I had to put money on it, I'd bet there were shady dealings going on back then too. However, maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything that addresses the quote in your signature. No doubt SBB deals in facts, but the facts don't seem to be incriminating... they just piss me off knowing (feeling) like the crap isn't going to hit the fan nearly as much as it should.
September 13th, 2011 at 1:10 AM ^
Probably something shady, but there isn't really anything of significant substance other than that they went. Not even accusations that they took exactly $X.
September 13th, 2011 at 2:42 AM ^
As a college athlete, you can't just go to whatever charity events you want to. Not being cleared by the compliance department is actually a big deal.
September 13th, 2011 at 6:41 AM ^
So all the evidence put forth so far about tOSU, this will be the most damning? There is very little there that wouldn't result in at most a minor violation. There is no evidence of money being transferred...just inference. With everything that has gone down, the general consensus is that there will be no major violations at tOSU, maybe some scholie losses, loss of seasons, and maybe, just maybe a bowl ban. But to be real, this article has nothing here that would make them scared
September 13th, 2011 at 12:47 AM ^
He's pointed out a lot of things, a lot of things the NCAA refuses to acknowledge. LIke Alabama and their players involvements with banned boosters, free suits, clear cut-NCAA violations, etc. He's pointed out things about Oregon's violations, LSU's violations, etc.
September 13th, 2011 at 1:06 AM ^
<block> the NCAA refuses to acknowledge</block>
Right. I don't know what kind of proof he had. I understand that a group of players buying suits with a booster is obviously bogus, but did he have credit card statement, receipts, or bank statements?
If not, the NCAA is going to say "No Proof, sorry." I agree pictures of the happenings should be sufficient for hammering.
But in this case, with OSU, he just says they went 3 years ago. Insufficient. He needs to come up with something more than the fact they were there.
Sorry if you think I'm being overly critical, but it's obvious there needs to be a smoking cannon for the NCAA to even consider any of the evidence. As much as I would like to see OSU get hammered, all articles like this do is get our hope up, just to have the corrupt NCAA say "Hear No, See No, Speak No Evil."
September 13th, 2011 at 2:35 AM ^
in advertising. A player who knowingly allows his person to be used in advertising is committing a NCAA violation. That player is therefore inelgible. There are pictures of players such as Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson in the suit store, where their names, memorabilia, and pictures were prominently displayed in the storefront window of a know Alabama booster. Not doing anything about that is refusing to acknowledge.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:37 AM ^
my popcorn is stale so I'm not getting to excited over this one. Thank god we have football now.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:44 AM ^
what is NSFMF?
September 13th, 2011 at 12:48 AM ^
Think lee corso and you will get it my friend
September 13th, 2011 at 12:50 AM ^
Well in the context of OSU... never stop fighting, maintain fraudulence?
September 13th, 2011 at 3:39 AM ^
I wasn't thinking the MF stood for "my friend".
September 13th, 2011 at 8:55 AM ^
I think it's a Lee Corso-ism
Not So Fast My Friend
September 13th, 2011 at 2:28 AM ^
Brooks is the only person with anything remotely resembling a national media presence who hasn't moved on to "bigger and better things," like Miami. I hope he keeps posting about the unctuous Jim Tressel and the cesspool in Columbus. If he does it enough, maybe someone in the NCAA will listen.
He also posted that one of the tatoo parlor guys testified to the NCAA last week and produced pictures. I hope he is right. We need more sites like SBB to bust their chops.
September 13th, 2011 at 3:05 AM ^
Brooks now reporting that TP was the whistleblower to the NCAA on the 3 suspended players. This still remains crazy...
September 13th, 2011 at 9:00 AM ^
Now we know why OSU banned Pryor.
September 13th, 2011 at 7:44 AM ^
I'm beginning to wonder if TP didn't take a paycut by going to the NFL.
September 13th, 2011 at 9:17 AM ^
its so wonderful
September 13th, 2011 at 9:47 AM ^
Everybody snitches?
September 13th, 2011 at 11:51 AM ^
they point to other Cheating schools as if that somehows Justfies THEIR Corruption
September 13th, 2011 at 11:46 PM ^
Again, the NCAA drops the ball. What a joke.