speculation purposes only. the irony of U of M and tosu offense reversals if Meyer replaces the vest
How ironic would it be if, although only a distant rumor, Urban Meyer (spread guy) replaces Tressel (pro style guy) right after our own reversal of pro v. spread coaches. Not saying this is going to happen, but I thought it was somewhat ironic.
How do you think Meyer's spread with Pryor at QB would have done? Seems like it would have been pretty tough to defend, of course, everybody was hard to defend for our D last year. Luckily we won't have that scenario to worry about. I really believe Tressel's offense, although very good, was not the right scheme for Pryor.
Meyer probably wouldn't have had the success he did without superman Tebow.
Just food for thought since there is little going on with U of M football and all focus is on burying the Vest.
Yeah good idea, lets take your dream job, except most likely no bowls for 2 years and likely recruiting cuts.
Of course you take the job. You're on probation so there's no pressure. You recruit, make a grand circus barnstorming tour, gather bagillions of booster dollars for faciltities, and after probation (you're not going to be hurt with recruiting in Ohio)--you hit the ground running.
People who don't think Meyer is lining up for this gig are dumb.
Are you serious? Do you think a guy that steps into a hamstrung situation at OSU (if that is what happens) and is destined to have disappointing seasons (compared to historic expectations) is not going to face pressure in front of Ohio State alumni, students, fans?
Will it be like Michigan, where it was all understood that Rodriguez faced a situation where the cupboard was bare and no one would mind a little rebuilding and a losing record here and there?
Ha. I might have imagined more patience at Michigan (although I don't know why I thought so, in retrospect). But there is ZERO chance that Ohio State will cut anybody that kind of slack. It is a mob mentality. WIN, WIN, WIN. "Hey, why aren't we winning?? It is our right to win!" Etc. etc.
If Tressel gets canned (probably) and Ohio State is given prospective penalties affecting recruiting (including bans on bowl games and limits on TV exposure that might indirectly affect recruiting, as well as limits on scholarships) (less likely, but I don't really know), the next coach will walk into a NO WIN situation. They will have to find a rebuilding sucker with a thick skin and no expectation of a long term future at Ohio State, and maybe anywhere else.
Doesn't Urban want to spend more time with his family? Hell, compared to what the Ohio State job might be like, he might as well. If he wants to coach in Columbus, he should do TV for 3 years and come back then. The job will be available.
You hire Meyer. If they hire some lunkhead, they risk falling way behind if they get hit with three years' probation.
They'd be starting over with a new guy--and would Meyer really take THREE years off? And oh man, what if the lunkhead does just good enough--they'd be in a tough position.
No. You do it now. You give Meyer a 10 year contract. He has time to build goodwill, he'll still recruit (would a post season ban include the B1G championship game?) like a mutha, and he'll field good teams at OSU that will kick arse.
Then, like I so astutely said, the probation ends and it's off to the races!
That is a nice theory, and you might be right. In fact, I very much hope they don't get Urban Meyer.
However, that said, I'm not sure you are familiar with Ohio.
I believe that for OSU hiring Meyer would be a considerable risk. As a program coming off two counts of major violations in the five year windown preceding the hire, and likely under 3 years of probation and increased monitering by the NCAA, they would be best off to hire a coach with a squeaky clean track record to restore order and integrity to the program, much like Michigan basketball aspired to in hiring Tommy Amaker. While Meyer hasn't been convicted of anything major in the past, I believe he brings with him a higher level of risk with his SEC-win-at-all-costs ethics than a number of other hires would.
It's easy to classify the entire SEC as "win at all costs," but that is simply not true. In fact, not all SEC schools oversign. I still remember Meyer campaigning for his team to go to the NC instead of Michigan. That pissed me off. But other than that, Meyer is rather clean, if a tiny bit lax on discipline, especially compared with people (read: demons) like Saban.
Do you remember him lying to Stonum after Lloyd retired? Urban Meyer is not clean regardless of what he says on TV nowadays. Sorry about the link for this, I know the original story about Meyer lying to Stonum was on ESPN.com but I think its gone there now.
http://blogs.knoxnews.com/perez/2009/02/urban-meyer-an-alleged-cheater…
"Meyer apparently also lied to recruit Daryl Stonum (who eventually committed to Michigan):
"The University of Florida stayed on the four star pass-catcher well all the way through. Things crescendoed recently after a conversation with Urban Meyer. According to Stonum, Meyer had a compelling reason why he should become a Gator.
"He told me that he talked to Coach Carr and Coach Soup and that they told him that I would be a much better fit in the Florida offense than I would be in the one at Michigan," Stonum recalled.
"I thought, wow, my coaches are selling me out? I confronted them about it. I asked Coach Carr and Coach Soup about it, and they said they never talked to that guy and that there was no way they ever said anything like that and that they think I should be a Wolverine. I believed them. Right then, I knew just how Florida rolled."
Edit: Sorry about the format.
Meyer has been quoted, as most know, his dream jobs are UofM, ND, or OSU
Living in Columbus surrounded by Ohio fans, most of them hate Meyer. April 1 biggest jokes was that Tress was fired and Urban was hired. It produced a lot of groans.
Didn't seem to stop Kiffin.
that Urban Meyer has proven to be a good coach.
I think the bigger irony is that Terrell Pryor cost two major D1 coaches their jobs. Of course the obvious eventual dismissal of Sweatervest, and the firing of our RR. If Pryor would have been allowed to play in a system that suited him its likely he would have been much more effective. Lets say his presence allowed two more wins year one, one more win year two, and no change in year three because of Denard being my hero. This is likely not true due to a third year starter in TP in a system that suits him may well have been better over the course of the season than a first year starter in DR. The irony within the irony is that if he would have come to Michigan, RR would have been fired for different reasons and Sweatervest would still have a job...
Am I the only one who's a little scared of this? Although OSU has been good under Tressel, they've really been stuck at great-but-not-elite (at least on a national level). I dont think Meyer would go to OSU, but if he did I think he has a shot at taking them to the next level (his system could work well at OSU, and he would already have a huge pipeline to Florida; he is greatly respected both there and on a national level).
Defending OSU makes me want to take a shower, but seriously . . . the last two years they're 23-3 with two BCS bowl victories. If that's not elite, you're basically saying that nothing short of a national title is.
To make matters even worse he sounds like some OSU fans I see on Bucknuts all the time. Most BCS Bowl appearances/most BCS wins/3 national title appearances/1 national title victory/7 or 8 B1G titles...what more is needed to be elite?
Well, I mean, it would help if they did it without cheating... /s... sorta
Valid point though.
Tattoos to OSU are like spinach to Popeye.
Free tattoos and other improper benefits are to OSU like spinach is to Popeye.
:)
Imprecise terms, obviously, but I see his point. Try these:
Great: perennial Top Ten team, lots of high-ranked recruiting classes, future pros at every position
Elite: all that and a reasonable threat to win the national championship
I'd say that OSU has been ... just great *recently*. They got whupped in their last two BCS championship games.
Of course I'd take that in a second for UMich. It's hard to believe that UMich had elite years, but I remember them. In retrospect, I don't think '06 makes the list (way too many talent gaps on defense, which were exploited in the last two games). '97 and the surrounding years, though? Sure.
For instance, when OSU climbed to #1 for that week, there really wasn't any sort of "Here comes the Buckeyes!" or "This OSU team looks really special!" fanfare. They weren't really a credible threat to remain there.
If anything, they were rather fortunate that Alabama dropped a few games they shouldn't have. The way they squeaked by an Arkansas team - whose receivers obviously took a little too much from the UM-OSU tape they watched - showed the big difference between the Big Ten and the SEC. The absolute best program in the Big Ten barely hangs on to beat an SEC team making its first BCS bowl appearance. Something tells me we would have seen Alabama or Auburn (maybe even LSU) smoke the Buckeyes by a couple touchdowns or more.
Even the year before, they beat Oregon a year before Oregon really took off (similar to Michigan beating Florida the year before they won their national championship in 2008).
A friend of mine likened OSU - an OSU fan btw - to the Atlanta Braves. They win the division (Big Ten) every year, but end up seeming like a paper tiger when it comes to being a viable contender to win the whole thing.
Florida and Alabama? And considering how many games they lost last year...
I'd say there are a small handful every year. These are teams that, with some breaks (almost always needed), can realistically get to the BCS championship _and_ have a good chance of winning the game. I don't think the Big Ten has had a team like that for several years.
As much as I hate to say it, I think the Bucks were a worthy team in '02. People act like that pass interference call came with 20 extra points.
Again, I think Michigan was one of those teams for a handful of years. '97 is obviously the best example; lots of those guys had long NFL careers.
Why be scared?
How could it possible get WORSE for us?
Will they start beating us by 30 twice a year if they get Meyer?
Loss in regular season and loss in Big Ten championship game to them.
Fine
What, are they going to start beating us by 40 THREE times a year?
but never fear. Fear no Buckeye!
I really believe Tressel's offense, although very good, was not the right scheme for Pryor.
This is a really bizarre meme. OSU has won three Big Ten titles and two BCS bowls with Pryor as its starting QB. Pryor has not recorded Denard-like rushing numbers, but he has led them in rushing the past two seasons, and he's also been able to stay healthy (a consideration that many fans seem to forget about). It's not video-game football.
This. Pryor put up better numbers than Troy Smith's Heisman season last year, and he's one of the best 5 quarterbacks in college football. So he hasn't rushed like Denard, well Denard hasn't passed like Pryor. Say what you will about TP off the field, but the guy is undoubtedly excellent on it.
you see Cam Newton doing what he did down and Auburn and can't help but think that could have been Pryor in Ann Arbor.
It's possible to be very good and never max out your potential (Chris Webber).
A bit wordy on the title. OP.
Recruiting kids in Florida while coaching at Florida is a hell of a lot easier then trying to get them to leave for Ohio. Proximity to home is often the biggest reason a kid chooses a school. Also if Meyer had health problems before, why would he walk into a shit storm in Columbus? Plus he has to deal with NCAA sanctions.
Wow, this is some bizarre way of looking at it. He's been in FLORIDA and has CONTACTS.
Remember when we were all WOW because Rodriguez was "establishing" some sort of Florida pipeline?
Uh, yeah.
I think Meyere would do at least as well as the Buckeyes do now with national recruiting.
He very well should but if you think he is going to set up shop in Ohio and Florida recruits are going to come marching, then you overestimate contacts. Contacts get your foot in the door but you still have to convince them to leave the south for Ohio. Most kids not wanting to do so is not really all that bizarre.
Florida kids will come in droves--but Meyer actually coached there for some time and has a super national reputation of building winners.
Come on--he'd have a lock on Ohio recruiting (which is fantastic by itself), and he'd be able to land plenty of recruits otherwise.
If you look at Tressel's record, it's hard not to assume Meyer would duplicate it.
AND Meyer is not just on offensive minded guy. He has a knack for defense (which is an Ohio recruiting ground strength).
All in all, I'd rather The Vest stay put in Columbus.
I seem to recall us smacking around superman Tebow pretty good in the Capitol One bowl
That was in between him lighting it up for over 500 yards and 35 points.
And, let's see...something elts..OH YEAH! TWO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS and a Heisman Trophy.
But you're right--Michigan got OVER on that loser.
He was a loser that day, and that's all I care about
It just looks like your avatar has aged 30 years.
Haha! Because they are both black! And therefore look the same!
April 26th, 2011 at 10:05 PM ^
I'm glad someone else has the same stereotyping tendencies as myself!
aamichfan, thanks. Black Snack Moan is a classic S Jackson movie, and his look in this clip is fitting. LOL
aamichfan, thanks. Black Snack Moan is a classic S Jackson movie, and his look in this clip is fitting. LOL
I wonder if all those people saying "I still love RR and wherever he ends up will be my 2nd favorite team" will still feel that was if he goes to OSU.
Would make me (pointlessly) wish that Justin Boren had another year of eligibility left. That would be ironic.
Isn't his brother on the team next year? I might be confused by this, but I thought he was a recruit and that getting the brother was part of the reason OSU wanted Justin in the first place.
Anyway, if there is a Boren at OSU and all hell brakes loose, you might get a little satisfaction.
On a related point, has there EVER been another player who played football for both Ohio State and Michigan. I hope not, but am curious.
Yes, I'll have to look it up, so give me a second, but I do know that his football career was split in half by WWII.
[T]wo players -- quarterback Howard Yerges Jr. and center J.T. White -- started off at Ohio State, fought in World War II, then played at Michigan when they returned to civilian life."
Link.
Thanks for looking that up. Very interesting. I knew I could count on someone here to know the answer!
in the 1920s or '30s, I think someone played at Michigan during undergrad, then played at OSU during grad school. It might have been the other way around. I can't think of his name, but I know it's happened at least once before.