Some more saber rattling over UCLA
The threats by regents about UCLA leaving the BIG10 have been answered:
The pertinent quote:
"If the regents set the precedent that any actions taken under delegations
of authority can be undone by the board," the observer said, "any loan agreement
for a new campus building, the acceptance of a gift, the naming of a building --
all of the matters would then be subject to question."
It seems there will be no actual blocking of the move. Though it does look like this is happening:
I guess the regents don't know what they've got sometimes till it's gone.
August 18th, 2022 at 8:06 PM ^
I guess CAL better jump on board before the September meeting.
August 18th, 2022 at 8:14 PM ^
Takes two to tango
August 18th, 2022 at 8:17 PM ^
University of Washington... Come on down!
August 19th, 2022 at 4:06 PM ^
By “takes two to tango,” I meant that the Big Ten would need to also want Cal. Doesn’t seem likely that Cal improves the financial standing and is just another team to split the TV revenue with, decreasing the per team payout.
August 18th, 2022 at 10:48 PM ^
MGoFun Fact: Three people tangoing is a called a ménage à tango.
August 18th, 2022 at 8:15 PM ^
I'm kind of surprised they haven't yet. They're basically Michigan's West Coast branch. Not Stanford, like many would want us to believe. It's Berkeley, folks.
August 19th, 2022 at 1:52 AM ^
In academics, maybe. But in athletics, Cal doesn't have anywhere near the brand strength that Michigan does.
August 19th, 2022 at 2:25 AM ^
I'm still salty about the 1923 natty controversy
August 19th, 2022 at 9:12 AM ^
It's all that time climbing trees to oppose stadium renovations.
They do appear to be pretty good at water-based sports. In the past 10 years, they've won multiple national championships in men's/women's swimming and diving, men's/women's rowing, and men's water polo. Also women's tennis in 2016 and a few rugby championships.
But really, nowhere near the cache or results that Michigan has had.
August 19th, 2022 at 10:10 AM ^
Prefer Stanford over CAL and squeeze ND.
August 18th, 2022 at 8:13 PM ^
I wonder if this norm. If Regents want to be involved in contract signing, I am skeptical things will get done. It is not any contract but just athletic contracts. Sounds like micro managing to me. Hope they are ready for many meetings.
August 18th, 2022 at 10:04 PM ^
I agree, as soon as I saw this news break I said Oh shit. The UC land grand system holds the cards here and just assumed they had their blessing when UCLA jumped. It seems petty to hold UCLA for ransom trying to get UC in themselves but they're not dummies either.
August 18th, 2022 at 8:13 PM ^
I can think of 7 billion reasons why this ship has already sailed
August 18th, 2022 at 8:16 PM ^
What would that number be if Notre Dame had just joined the BIG10 too?
August 18th, 2022 at 8:31 PM ^
August 18th, 2022 at 9:52 PM ^
I think your username is answering his ND question.
August 18th, 2022 at 8:37 PM ^
August 18th, 2022 at 8:41 PM ^
The B10 needs to absorb Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon and move on. If they say no then take those that want to join. If that opens a spot for ND fine but they should only be included if and when it makes sense for B10. Shouldn’t wait for them. If the end result is we absorb the best of the Pac10 that’s a huge win.
August 18th, 2022 at 8:53 PM ^
Yesterday would be a good time to add Notre Dame.
August 18th, 2022 at 10:10 PM ^
To hell with Notre Dame.
August 18th, 2022 at 10:22 PM ^
You don't like Michigan St and Ohio St too. A third team in that category in the conference could work, couldn't it?
August 19th, 2022 at 9:16 AM ^
Given that notre dame has rivalries with USC, Michigan, msu, Purdue (and apparently Northwestern, according to wikipedia??) already, it would make sense for them to follow suit at some point soon.
Or they could double down on the ACC.
August 18th, 2022 at 8:53 PM ^
Yooper, should the B1G consider any of these schools… Arizona, Utah, or Colorado. They are Pac-12 and AAU members - in addition to the schools you noted.
August 18th, 2022 at 9:49 PM ^
Stanford and Cal basically give you the same market so its probably not necessary to have both. Stanford would be my choice if I had to choose one but I wouldn't be mad about having them both. It's just, do you share with two schools (Stanford and Cal) what you could basically get from one. A case could be made that with one of the Northern California schools joining, you could improve the product with Arizona, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Diego State, UNLV, Baylor . . . To your question, I think Arizona and Colorado would both be a take but I'm not sure if Utah brings enough to the table to justify sharing in this pizza.
August 19th, 2022 at 4:52 AM ^
I live in the Stanford/Cal area. Stanford has far more interest for sports here than Cal. Stanford is more valuable to the BIG10 than Cal. But both could be added I guess. Seems cold to talk about Cal like this.
August 18th, 2022 at 9:20 PM ^
I agree with Yoop about adding Stan, Cal, Wash & Ore. (Grammar joke: it's called the Oxford comma, not the Pac 12 comma.)
I agree with Zeke about adding ND.
I agree with Amaz, to get Ariz, Ute & Col.
THEN, wave some money at U of Chicago so they start their football program again, and add them.
My statistical analysis skills are shaky but I believes that gets the Big Ten to 25 schools, called the Quarter Pounder.
August 18th, 2022 at 9:41 PM ^
Vet, I think the University of Chicago has a football team, they probably compete in D3.
August 19th, 2022 at 6:21 AM ^
NO to CAL!! . they bring NOTHING to the table, ZERO ZILCH
August 19th, 2022 at 9:18 AM ^
I think we found the guy with very strong feelings about Cal, one way or the other.
August 18th, 2022 at 9:54 PM ^
Are the regents aware that the B1G doesn't want Cal? If they figured out how to block this move, I could see Oregon, Washington and Stanford replace UCLA and make a clean sweep of the West Coast TV markets. I think they'd be voted out if that happened.
August 20th, 2022 at 4:53 AM ^
It is definitely a ‘be careful what you wish for’ situation. They could finish asserting their authority and look up to find that the Pac 12 has lost four more schools. I do see why they’re frustrated, though.
Cal sports have been in trouble for a while, btw. There may be some willingness to let D1 athletics go.
August 18th, 2022 at 11:50 PM ^
As someone who considered and passed on the UC system, it tracks they'd throw a fit over a fair decision made by one of their schools over jealousy.
August 19th, 2022 at 3:03 AM ^
They may be jealous but more to the point is I don't think Cal can maintain an athletic dept. without USC and UCLA. There is barely a tv deal even if UCLA gets blocked.
Why they don't draw and quarter Larry Scott is beyond me.
August 19th, 2022 at 9:36 AM ^
USC is a private school and not in the UC system, so they have no bearing on it (unless you mean how USC fans are 2/3 of the crowd at ant sports ball game in Berkeley but i think that's not enough $ to make a difference)
But without UCLA (and a lot of money coming in from the state) Berkeley wouldn't have an athletic department.
i posted in a previous thread that Cal regents are probably just as happy to eliminate sports and use that money for academic pursuits. which pains me as a Cal alum but Cal should be D2 or D3 and play other UC scools (Davis, Santa Barbara, San Diego, Santa Cruz etc.)
August 19th, 2022 at 12:20 AM ^
California legislation at its finest. Wait to you hear about our budget surplus and how they are going to allocate it?
August 19th, 2022 at 12:37 AM ^
If any of these regents or govenors spent half as much time working on the problems of the PAC12 as they did posturing over UCLA leaving, this would be a non-issue in the first place.
August 19th, 2022 at 4:53 AM ^
I was thinking the same.
August 19th, 2022 at 1:07 AM ^
Time to make twelve "PAC" donations.
August 19th, 2022 at 1:48 AM ^
Is it better $ for Michigan if UCLA is in Big 10, or is it more dilutive?
August 19th, 2022 at 3:05 AM ^
They already have the LA market with USC. I think they were taking UCLA just to keep an even number of teams.
August 19th, 2022 at 3:48 AM ^
In basketball UCLA is the stronger brand.
August 19th, 2022 at 8:45 AM ^
I assume UCLA got in because USC insisted, and USC is such a big fish it was worth it. Every study done since the announcement basically has said not one school left in the PAC is worth adding to the B1G, I assume nothing has changed.
The only thing the regents can accomplish here is get UCLA replaced by Stanford. Oh, and make it look like they are doing something.
August 19th, 2022 at 5:18 AM ^
When B10 gets to 20+ teams… at what point to the cut non conference games and become an exclusive league?
August 19th, 2022 at 8:00 AM ^
I just took this whole thing as an attempt by Newsom and the BoR to try to get more money out of the B1G. It's obvious that they can't go against public sentiment and the governing structure of the school to actually force UCLA to stay in the Pac.
August 19th, 2022 at 9:02 AM ^
Thank you, Joni Mitchell.
August 19th, 2022 at 9:31 AM ^
You would think yesterday's B1G media deal announcement would shut those Regent's collective cake holes.
August 19th, 2022 at 2:29 PM ^
I love the idea of bringing Stanford on board & giving the domers an ultimatum..... join the Big Ten, or you won't be playing USC, Stanford, Michigan or any other B10 team.