Signing Day Pos Bang

Submitted by King Tot on December 21st, 2022 at 8:13 PM

I think this recruiting class is going to outperform what is a pretty good ranking. We hit every major position and took a bunch of high upside prospects. 

Bring on TCU/ come on down Harbor and Jadyn Davis.

Who are you most excited about?

MaizeBlueA2

December 21st, 2022 at 8:16 PM ^

I'm going to cheat... I'm excited about the class as a whole. Maligned, doubted, I keep going back to the 2018 class. I think there are going to be key pieces in this class that help in keeping this thing going.

Bo Harbaugh

December 21st, 2022 at 8:50 PM ^

Because I'm I twisted masochist, I glanced over at RCMB and 11 Warriors to see their reaction to their signing classes, and really tells you everything you need to know about the respective fanbases.

OSU has the 5th rated class, and 3rd highest star average and yet are losing their minds about some late flips away from them, not being near Bama's top ranked class, and not having a competitive NIL program vs. the SEC. In other words, entitled, born on 3rd attitude.

Sparty fans are hyped about a 25th ranked recruiting class, Tuck cummmin', celebrating their "best class ever", and ready to burn couches.  Big day for Lil' Bro.

Yooper

December 21st, 2022 at 9:08 PM ^

OSU should be worried. Yes top five but distorted by overload at WR. Very little success on OL and DL, which we exposed as a weakness the last couple of years. I used the class calculator and deleted WRs #2 and #4 and their class is #12 right now.  Wheels starting to wobble a bit in Columbus. 
Harbaugh is doing a great job of roster management, especially when you add in transfers. Depth at every position solidified this year. Need some obvious home runs over time but a very solid effort. Not so much by Ryan Day. 

ghostofhoke

December 21st, 2022 at 11:16 PM ^

Yeah they’ve had a real lack of scary studs on D for a few years now other than Chase Young—and really nothing since. Eichenberg is a solid player but he’s not a legendary Buckeye LB. It really seems like they aren’t understanding roster management when it comes to recruiting—either that or is a serious development problem. 

Commie_High96

December 21st, 2022 at 10:35 PM ^

Oh, so after this place fucking melted down about this recruiting class for the past 6 months everyone shows up for a posbang like that never happened.  
 

it’s like the first half of every game this year is n this blog. You all need to point to the place on the doll where the bad man touched you and gave you such ptsd. 

Bo Harbaugh

December 21st, 2022 at 11:02 PM ^

The last 20 years of UM football prior to 2021 would be the  "getting touched" as per your trite, overused, uncouth commentary.  OSU and MSU and other beatdown at the hands of Wisconsin, PSU, etc would be the the bad man in your adolescent analogy.

The ptsd was referred to as BPONE.  Yes, things are much, much better nowadays, but labeling everyone who has witnessed UM football over the past 2 decades as irrationally pessimistic, even with the last two years of success, is a bit of a stretch.

Bama or OSU complaining about recruiting classes, those would be irrational meltdowns.

cKone

December 22nd, 2022 at 8:26 AM ^

My pessimism is part of my good luck ritualistic superstitions that has worked well for me over the last 2 years.  Going into every big game over the last 2 years in my mind I am screaming, "I'm just not sure they have enough to win this!"  

The one game in the last 2 seasons that I did not go in with a pessimistic mind set (MSU 2021) they lost and I take full responsibility for that.  I will admit that I don't follow recruiting enough to have been angry about where the recruiting class was ranked this year though.

The Oracle 2

December 21st, 2022 at 9:49 PM ^

Let’s be honest, as Brian has, and admit that this class is well below what you would expect from a school that has done as well as Michigan has over the past two years. A lot of it is likely because the coordinators left and Harbaugh wanted to, but I don’t think those are the only reasons. We’ll see what happens next year, after what should be another excellent season. For comparison purposes, Michigan’s highest rated player on 247’s overall list this year is Etta at #116. Meanwhile, Alabama snagged six of the top 25 and 14 of the top 100. Georgia got 10 of the top 100. Even with their issues, OSU still took 7. Michigan has proven to be excellent at developing guys that weren’t highly rated, but if this success is going to continue, next year needs to be a lot better.

Amazinblu

December 21st, 2022 at 10:02 PM ^

Oracle, what is the highest ranked OL who played on Michigan’s Moore award winning OL the past two seasons?

Stars can be important - but, having ENOUGH skill is what is necessary, IMO.

Texas A&M had the top ranked class last year, how are they doing?  How did their “creative” NIL work out this season?

And, if you think of the “root cause” why Georgia an Bama have the classes they do… look no further than the NCAA capitulation to the SEC / ACC which prohibited Michigan from camping in other talent rich parts of the country.

The Oracle 2

December 21st, 2022 at 10:56 PM ^

I agree it’s not all about recruiting rankings. If that’s all that mattered, Michigan wouldn’t have done what they’ve done the last two years. The coaches apparently do an excellent job of targeting players who are undervalued and then developing them. But with Corum out, you could say the team’s three most dynamic players are Edwards, McCarthy and Johnson…all 5 Stars. I imagine Edwards will be gone after next year. They’ve been on a great roll with running backs, but do they have anyone yet who can follow in those footsteps? What if McCarthy leaves, too? The portal definitely helps, but they also need to land at least a few high school players with elite talent.

Amazinblu

December 22nd, 2022 at 12:45 AM ^

How many schools have two, or more, five star QBs on their roster?

And, enough about the “Harbaugh to the NFL”.  He was direct with every prospect about what he was doing and why.  

What would have happened had Michigan won in Columbus in 2016?   It wasn’t just the spot - it was the refs calling a game that clearly favored the Buckeyes.  Yes, Michigan winning that game, which they did - but were jobbed - would have changed the narrative five years earlier.

What does every college team need?  A very solid QB, ideally two.  With the portal and whims of certain personalities - it’s probably a pipe dream now.  Bama used to be able to have multiple five Star  QBs on their roster.  I’m not sure if that’s true anymore.

bluebyyou

December 22nd, 2022 at 5:30 AM ^

Are the last few years of success for Michigan a bit of luck and an exception to a long term trend?  It isn't every day you have the types of RB's that Michigan has had the last few years along with the type of line play that went hand in hand. Ditto for the defense and special teams...a perfect storm of sorts.  How about OSU?  Are the last two years typical or a change from what OSU has been?  There are lots of changes coming to the B1G and I don't think things are going to get easier with coaching changes in the West and UCLA and USC coming on board in '24. Better athletes do better with great coaching than do lesser athletes.  

I'm a big believer in regression to the mean and without the five star talent or something close, I simply don't see what we have at the moment being sustainable.  

outsidethebox

December 22nd, 2022 at 5:52 AM ^

Coaching remains the greatest difference-maker in sports. It does not matter if the fans know this or believe this-it is fact. What has transpired at Michigan these past two seasons has nothing to do with statistical anomalies-it is the elite staff that has landed in AA. The athletes are very important but average athletes who are well-coached will routinely out-perform elite athletes who are poorly coached. See OSU-this is fact...and it really is not very close. 

Amazinblu

December 22nd, 2022 at 8:16 AM ^

Outside,I agree that coaching and scheme are very important.  I believe there is one essential element or factor - and that is: player focus & effort.

It’s all complementary.  

As for regression to the mean, I don’t accept it in an endeavor like sports.  Perhaps in the “long, long run” - but, two seasons, or even twenty - with as small as a sample size - IMO, doesn’t apply.

tybert

December 21st, 2022 at 10:25 PM ^

If this year's class settles in about #15, we'll be fine. The guys who signed today were HS soph when we had that dreadful Covid season. They were HS FR when we ended 9-4 with beatdowns by Wisky, Ohio, and 2nd half by Bama. 

JH was looking like he was burned out at end of 2020, team morale was horrible. A lot of players these past two years talked about what happened (without naming names) about how people on the 2020 team seemed focused on themselves and NFL careers. Getting two important 4 stars today was huge. Whatever they sensed on the visits made them realize we have a championship mindset and work ethic.

The QB who dissed us, farted around with MSU, went to Oregon, only to end of at UCLA may become a star. Or he may become like the guy at Clemson who flamed out and is moving on after two underwhelming seasons and an 8 for 28 performance at home vs. South Carolina.

I think the future of CFB is 80/20 rule. 80% of your success is developing your own players, and the remaining 20% comes from getting the right guys, like Olu, from the portal. No one, UGA and Bama included, will win exclusively by HS recruiting only. NIL adds another twist.

I expect we will close the deal with the guy from DC (Harbor) over Maryland and maybe one other 4 star guy. 

ghostofhoke

December 21st, 2022 at 11:24 PM ^

This is very true, we need to make big improvements. This class is definitely a product of coaching turnover, relationships take time and we’ve lost a lot over the last 2-3 years. You need to have some sense of continuity—the top programs may have turnover too but the continuity they display is being in the top 5 and in the playoffs every year, we don’t have that yet. 
 

the truth is that the loss in Columbus in 2016 set the program back 5 years. People may not be ready to admit that but it was absolutely true. At that point Harbaugh was building some highly rated classes and was on the verge of a monster year. The program fell into turmoil after that loss, doubt started creeping in and we really started falling behind from that point on. It just looked like we weren’t going to be able to turn the tide on the Buckeyes and then next year made it clear to top recruits that we were not a serious competitor at that very top level. If they want to play for championships, Ann Arbor was likely not the place. We have a big opportunity here to now change that narrative. I hope we can seize it with the 2024 class. 

tybert

December 21st, 2022 at 10:27 PM ^

Cabana definitely gives us a solid #2 if Corum does go pro. I still think Stokes has a good future, but was overwhelmed by the scheme and missed some open holes. He'll learn how to bide for just a split second. You can see this from The Don this year - he is much better at reading the blocking and taking that fraction of a second.

 

BLUEinRockford

December 21st, 2022 at 8:30 PM ^

The big boys are going to throw the big money at the big names. 

I like our approach. Build em up, coach em up, turn them into competitive warriors 💪🏈.

Go Blue and beat dem frogs!!!

Twitch

December 21st, 2022 at 8:36 PM ^

Before Hill committed we were 18th in the 247 composite.  After Hill committed we moved up one spot passing a certain purple team who's mascot is a lizard/toad/frog...  Here's to hoping this trend of besting them continues through the new year.