SI's 1st Rd Busts at QB -- No Joey?
Wow - Top 15 1st Round Busts since 1979... and no Joey Harrington!
Somewhere Matt Millen just screamed "I TOLD YOU SO!"
While nobody covered himself with glory playing for the Lions the last ten years, 'bust' isn't quite the word for failing to improve an unprecedentedly awful situation.
Can't argue that he was on a pretty bad team (3-13 as a rookie, 5-11, 6-10, 5-11). However, you could also argue that the Lions were a good qb away from some level of success. With the bust QB the team was destined for failure
And, given the chance to start new with the Dolphins... he failed. Steve Young struggled on a bad team in Tampa before he got out of a bad situation... he didn't fail thereafter. Harrington was/is basically out of the league with no suiters (maybe as a third string FA). Even David Carr (who made the list) is a career back-up.
Harrington's career is on par with Couch. Bad team, made worse by a bad QB. QB leaves bad team and is never heard from again. The perfect marriages of suck.
Young got to sit and learn watching one of the greatest if not the greatest QBs of all time. When he finally did take over it was with one of the elite teams in the league loaded with talent.
To say the Lions were a good QB away is a joke. They had basically no proven talent on offense with a line that was shaky at best. Even a good QB would have been sacked into oblivion.
As for David Carr- he was the number 1 overall pick and Houston got better after he left. The Lions actually got worse after Joey left. Oh for the days when the Lions could win five or six games in one season.
I think Joey gets looked at by many in a sympathetic light as being put in a no-win situation. I know I do.
He was surrounded by all that wide receiver talent. Like Charles Rog... I mean, Mike Willia... oh, I'm starting to see your point...
The Lions were so bad that it's not really fair to label him a bust. I'm convinced that he would've been a servicable NFL quarterback if Millen hadn't drafted him.
they probably graded the '00s lions out to a team bust. no single player was the problem.
As a Lions fan, he lost my respect (as a player) long ago. He was a shitty leader who garnered zero respect from his teammates, half-assed it at times, many times, on the field and played like he was scared. As an NFL starting QB, you can't do these things and be successful. Granted, the Lions have had a shitty line since....before I was born, but had he had the drive and determination to be the best he can be, he certainly would have made a difference on that team.
shoulda been an honorary member of that list...
Another one of the lists on the SI site says that Keith Jackson was only the 10th best broadcaster in sports history, so clearly SI has some issues.
Plus, they are a magazine, so they definitely have issues.
I am going to leaf that joke alone and just turn the page.
but I've subscribed to your suggestion of turning the page.
Although the Lions are terrible if you don't think Joey was a bust you need to re-evaluate your definition of bust. He was terrible.
In defense of Harrington (and I agree that he failed to live up to any of the hype and probably sabotaged his career), here are some mitigating factors:
- First year, he had Marty "I'll take the wind" Mornhinweg as a coach and perhaps the worst defense in the league. The carcass of James Stewart rushed for just over 1,000 yards, but Stewart was also the leading receiver and Az-Zahir Hakim showed why 5-10 receivers not named Steve Smith really shouldn't be paid like #1 WRs. Marty was on his way out after the season, and in with Mariucci.
- His best receiver his second year was RB Shawn Bryson. Other WRs on that team - a coked-up/high Charles Rogers, mini-mite Az-Zahir Hakim, and Bill Schroeder. That team also had one of the worst defenses in the league (26 pts/gm), and the line was basically Jeff Backus and a bunch of middling linemen and McDougle's bloated self. Amazingly, though, he was able to elude defenders to the tune of only 9 sacks against 554 attempts all year. Mike McMahon, who played in 3 games and only attempted 31 passes, was sacked twice.
- Year 3, his best statistical season, he had the one good Kevin Jones year, a young WR in Williams and basically the rest of the crew from above. Defense improved slightly (21.5 pts/gm), and the team could have easily gone 8-8 or even 9-7 with some breaks. I personally thought Harrington had turned the corner. Of note, though, he took quite a few sacks (36), and if memory serves me right was pretty beat up toward the end of the year. My guess is that these injuries started to take their toll, as was running for his life.
- His 4th year, effectively the last hurrah as a starter, Harrington battled injuries all year without a running game (Jones had about 1/2 the yards as the year before and never recovered from his various injuries), Roy Williams failed to improve and Scottie Vines emerged as the second-best receiver on the team! Defense and offense basically were the same, with an over-the-hill Damien Woody showing up to "anchor" a line, instead merely anchoring himself to the LOS and allowing DEs to rush pass him with nary a hint of defense. Oh yeah, and Mooch, the "QB guru" was canned and replaced with Dick Jauron, who tried his darndest but reminded everyone why some guys should just remain DCs.
So yeah, Harrington was bad, but tell me how good he reasonably could have been? He had exactly one decent-to-good RB and WR during his time in Detroit, and that depends on your opinion of Williams. With most first-round QBs, they succeed or failed based on how quickly they are surrounded by a decent line and some skill players. Manning looked good a rookie, but the Colts also established a good offensive line and nabbed guys like James and Harrison, which helped him become the QB he is today. Same with Rothliesberger and (I suspect) Mark Sanchez, who would have struggled mightily had they not landed on good teams. Only McNabb really impressed me being in a limited offense, and even then he had a great defense basically once he arrived in Philly and is a physical marvel to boot. My point is that while it is fashionable to slam first-round QBs when they flame out, far more attention should be placed on the inability of the front offices to create an environment in which those guys could succeed. Harrington certainly wasn't a great player, but he also wasn't a Ryan Leaf or Cade McNown who stepped into decent situations and messed them up.
I was stuck in the middle of nowhere Wisconsin, and I picked up a book on the Chicago Bears in the 1980s ... and surprise, surprise, but Ditka, in an regular season game chose to take the wind and kick off to start overtime. Of course, he did have a pretty stout defense, but for all the grief Marty got over that call, I'm surprised no one did their research to see how many other coaches have chosen to kick ...
Wait a minute, sports writers and loud mouths on the radio do research ... leave that for the bloggers.
Joey Harrington statistically ranked as the worst QB of all-time
<blockquote><blink><small><i>There you have it -- no QB has performed so far below the league average for so long as Joey Harrington. To be clear, Joey Harrington probably isn't the worst quarterback of all time in an absolute sense. But in terms of being so far below average, but far enough above miserable to earn more playing time, Joey Harrington hurt his team more than any other QB in NFL history. If Harrington had been worse, he would have played less, and he wouldn't have set back the teams he played on. To put it another way, if you had the choice of getting Joey Harrington for 2,538 attempts, or Roger Goodell for 9 attempts you would certainly choose Goodell. At least after he's gone, your team has a chance.</i></small></blink></blockquote>
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Sorry, tried to blockquote it, but hell if I can figure it out. I suck.
maybe it is a bug in the system. it use to work before teh upgrade. even using teh blockquote thingy above doesn't work right.
"But Smith was destined to be a bust from the beginning. Not only was he selected by the Bengals -- a reliable indicator of future flops -- but also he was coached by QB guru Jeff Tedford in college. Tedford-coached quarterbacks -- Trent Dilfer, Joey Harrington and Kyle Boller -- haven't had much NFL success."
Aaron Rodgers anyone?
that the Ravens D won a Superbowl, and Dilfer was able to not screw it up. This is in no way oversimplifiied.
Never has a QB been paid more to do less in the history of the game. Just 7 wins (2 in Arrowhead-ugh) and paid $39 Million in gauraunteed money ($3 Million more this year) this is by far the worst QB bust EVER and perhaps as bad (debateable IMO) as Tony Mandrich (sp) as the worst first round bust at any position.
Everyone knew Mandarich was a major 'roid user before he was drafted. He was a calculated risk that ended up on the wrong side of the equation.
Russell was supposed to be the franchise and decided his fork was more important than his job was.
And Mandarich came back to be a servicable lineman for the Colts. The absolute best Russell is going to manage is to be a substitute host for Diners, Drive Ins and Dives.
basically ate his way out of the league -- sounds more like some of the Lions lineman bust over the years, Gibson, McDougle...
... he never had a chance, worst offensive line in history.
Andre Ware made it on the list. What a wasted #1 pick he was......
The guy had talent, he was just put into a no win situation. He had no offensive line blocking for him, the all draft bust team of wide receivers and no semblance of a running game. I still feel bad for the guy.
You have to distinguish between guys who never showed anything in the pros and guys who just never made it. For instance, Leaf, Smith, Ware and Klingler never had a chance.
A guy like Joey Harrington, though, was close to being a journeyman. He showed the occasional flash of competence. With a little better decision making, a little better coaching or the good fortune not to wind up on one of the NFL's all-time worst teams, he could have aspired to a career like Gus Frerotte or Trent Dilfer.