September 22nd, 2019 at 1:46 PM ^
They will probably need to hang 70 on Rutgers just to stop people from jumping.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:28 PM ^
Absolutely not. Things look bleak at the moment, but let's see how the offense develops over the course of the season. Wisconsin was always going to be tough for our defense because we don't have DTs.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:31 PM ^
no DTs. In year 5.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:36 PM ^
Dont act like we havent had D tackes the whole time. Year 5 is the first year he hasnt had any so the year 5 thing is fucking irrelevant
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:40 PM ^
In year five, your recruiting should be consistent enough that you don't have a scenario in which a walk-on linebacker at NT.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:52 PM ^
Year five is absolutely relevant. Year five should be the culmination of great recruiting and great coaching. If not in year five, when? Harbaugh had and spent enormous amounts of goodwill in his first four seasons, by any objective view in 2015, 2019 should have been Michigan being an unstoppable force. Year five is the year Harbaugh has all his own, and only his own, players. No more excuses about Hoke leaving an empty cupboard. No more excuses of still rebuilding after the 2014 trash season. This is bad, this is tending to 2014 bad.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:59 PM ^
Harbaugh had DTs recruited by the previous coach. These are Harbaugh's DTs now on the team.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^
Last season’s defensive line included Rashan Gary, Chase Winovich and Bryan Mone, three players currently on NFL rosters. Among the interior rotation players were Lawrence Marshall who graduated, Aubrey Solomon who transferred and Michael Dwumfour whose playing time this season has been limited to a few snaps in the opening game due to an injury. Luiji Vilain, who once was considered a promising rotation player until injuries derailed his career, has played in one game in three seasons. (Walk-on Carl Myers has appeared in five games during his four seasons.)
Also gone from last season’s defense is defensive line coach Greg Mattison who must’ve known that he’d become remembered as the proverbial rat leaving a sinking ship, and who appears to be on his way to winning the Big Ten championship that eluded him during his recent stay at Michigan.
Having failed to satisfactorily replace Mattison and six players who were key to 2018's defensive line, and coupled with the disastrous performances of the offense to date, it looks like Michigan’s defensive line is going to be a major obstacle towards a successful season.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:58 PM ^
Different position but also Devin Bush.
NFL guys injured at the end of last season, and gone this season. Coaches have work to do
September 22nd, 2019 at 5:05 PM ^
I am really disappointed with picking Shaun Nua to coach the D Line. Maybe what he was doing out West worked out there. It's is not work here in the BIG 10. It way to big and physical here.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:33 PM ^
Two words, year five.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:33 PM ^
Yes.
The experiment failed.
The dude clearly has no fire left.
Find someone that can win with the vast resources this school provides to their head coach.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:40 PM ^
Love how people automatically read the guy's mind and assume he has "no fire" just because he no longer tantrums. Could well be the opposite. Could be he's pressing too much. But we just don't know.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:48 PM ^
I mean, all we have is to go off is game day.
And the guy I saw in his first two seasons was passionate, firey, got after his players, the refs, etc.
The guy I see today stares blankly, rarely showing any displayed emotion or fire.
So, I am not sure what other conclusions to draw.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:40 PM ^
Love how people automatically read the guy's mind and assume he has "no fire" just because he no longer tantrums. Could well be the opposite. Could be he's pressing too much. But we just don't know.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:35 PM ^
Nevermind. I see a lot of you are still in denial.
Let me rephrase, if Harbaugh finishes 7-5 with losses to MSU, OSU and ND should he be let go?
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:36 PM ^
If he is 10-1 or 9-2 going into OSU, you cannot fire him. However, it is likely this team will be 7-4 going into OSU and that will be hard to defend as it is year 5 in the Harbaugh Experiment.
I am already chalking up losses to Penn State and Notre Dame. I expect to lose to either MSU or Iowa.
With the amount of talent on the offensive side of the ball, to have such a shitty team is inexcusable.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:39 PM ^
9-4 with a bowl win
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:37 PM ^
He’s already passively quit.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:39 PM ^
Beat OSU or hit the road. He should be coaching for his job here. The sad thing is I don't think he would even give a shit if he wasn't the coach anymore.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:41 PM ^
Agreed. Goes home to his hot wife and scrooge mcduck pile of money. Hes good
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:42 PM ^
Radio show with Dad. Pal around with his kid at work.
Michigan football is not a kingdom ruled by the Harbaugh dynasty. He's a solid turn around coach who's doing a mediocre job now and he needs to get treated as such.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:41 PM ^
Not gonna happen until revenue into the Athletic Department starts going down.
If people really, truly feel Harbaugh needs to go then those people need to stop going to games and stop buying merchandise. Most will not do that.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:53 PM ^
No offense, I just never, ever understood that argument.
Pro teams and schools make the vast majority of their money from boosters and TV deals. The fans buying merchandise and tickets is a microscopic percentage of the total budget.
It should not have to be up the fans for the leaders to understand the shit ain't working.
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:01 PM ^
It's happened before, it can happen again.
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:06 PM ^
My point is that it should not have to. It's not up to the fans for the people at the top to realize shit's bad.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:42 PM ^
All decisions should be postponed until after the Maryland game the first week of November since their next bye week which is the 2nd weekend of November. That gives them 2 weeks to adapt to any changes.
That gives them 6 games, 3 of the opponents are ranked, to try and turn things around. I think he's lost the locker room and expect them to win 3 or 4 games during this span.
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:12 PM ^
Losing the locker room is the scariest issue of them all. Joe Simon mentioned something about this on WTKA's Countdown to Kick Off Pregame show. He said in passing about what could happen if this team were to lose big to Wisc, and they sure did.
The comment got my attention but I thought Michigan would play Wisc close (pregame) and it wasn't close.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:42 PM ^
No. Warde would botch the football hire just like he did with basketball. His top choices would probably be Desmond or Charles.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^
Hey guys remember how 2007 turned out? Lloyd even acknowledged after the Oregon loss that he’s at peace with losing his job (in so many words). That’s about as bleak as it is today. Is it possible that Michigan still goes 8-4 like that year (losing to teams with a pulse) and then win a nice bowl game for a Harbz sendoff?
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:45 PM ^
Out of curiosity, if you put yourself in the place of a Wisconsin fan last year, would you have advocated firing Paul Chryst after he came into Michigan Stadium and got his ass kicked?
I'm not happy with Harbaugh. But I'm allergic to moves made from panic. We get through the season (I'm guessing around 7-5) and see if there's been signs of life. If not, start looking and don't give any points to anyone for having a Michigan connection. The Michigan Man thing has to die.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:48 PM ^
Paul Chryst has won the Big Ten West twice and is 4-0 in bowl appearances.
He's outperformed Harbaugh by a significant margin.
Apples and oranges comparison.
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:14 PM ^
Winning the Big Ten West is like winning a beauty contest at your nearest 7-11.
September 22nd, 2019 at 2:16 PM ^
This team wouldn’t win the West. They might not even be the third best team in the West.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:53 PM ^
Coach 1 has won something
Coach 2 hasn't won shit
Coach 1 has a longer leash than Coach 2.
Explain why that's not obvious.
September 22nd, 2019 at 2:51 PM ^
What has Chryst ever won? A weak division? Michigan has beaten the winner of the West division twice in Harbaugh's four seasons here and would most likely have won that division in 2016 and 2018 if he'd played in it. The West division has yet to win the Big Ten since the conference realignment. Wisconsin hasn't beaten Ohio State under Chryst and hasn't won a Big Ten championship since 2012, when they only even made it to Indy because OSU and PSU were under sanction. Winning the West division doesn't mean jack.
September 22nd, 2019 at 3:05 PM ^
He’s won multiple bowl games. What has Harbaugh won?
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:46 PM ^
6 - Nay
5 - Yay
So far
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:50 PM ^
I downvote any idiot who ends yet another self-indulgent random-thought post with
"What say you?"
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:52 PM ^
For the first time, I am slightly entertaining this question. I’m still in the nay crowd.
Something broke with this team after the last OSU game and I have no idea how that can be fixed. The efforts from some (not all) of the players looks mediocre at best and that makes me think the buy-in to the coaches philosophys is not there. Also could be a lack of leadership in the locker room. Who knows. I’m just a fan and still love Michigan. That won’t ever change. It could be worse and I could have been raised a sharty fan. Man, that would suck!
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:54 PM ^
This team broke after PSU last year. Sure, they won some games after but something happened.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:54 PM ^
maybe let’s let the season play out. That being said, I’m not interested in waiting until after the bowl game to decide (if there is one).
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:59 PM ^
Maybe, glad I don't have to make the decision.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:59 PM ^
If he loses to Ohio State then most definitely yay. But it won’t matter what I think. Our AD won’t fire him. What I’m hoping is harbaugh just takes an nfl job and leaves with some dignity left
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:03 PM ^
What I’m hoping is harbaugh just takes an nfl job and leaves with some dignity left
Do you think the NFL is going to be knocking down his door? Does a SB lose really hold so much weight that a team would discount what we've seen here?
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:01 PM ^
If he loses one more game this regular season (even if it's not OSU), yay; if he can somehow run the table (he won't) nay. Please leave Ann Arbor, Jim.
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:01 PM ^
Are you fucking serious? This thread, and all the others like it, is just nonsense.
Who is gonna come in and do better than Harbaugh? I'm serious. You fire Harbaugh and then bring in who exactly? You don't turn around Stanford and the 49ers (and take them to three straight NFC title games) on accident. The man can coach, but I just think he's lost his fire.
We need him to regain the fire he once had - the guy who Pete Carroll asked "what's your deal?" after he ran up the score on USC. The guy who had 'tantrums' on the sideline early on in his Michigan career and was passionate and engaged on game day. The guy who rankled the SEC when he set up satellite camps.
How he does that is beyond me, but we get that guy back and the ship will be righted.
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:05 PM ^
Good coaches get stale and lose it. Smart ones step away before it gets too obvious. The game has passed Harbaugh by.
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:08 PM ^
Seriously what if we don’t. I’ve been waiting just like you and I’m starting to think it’s not happening. The one thing we can’t be afraid of is making a new hire.