Rumors swirling that the B1G is adding Oregon, Washington, FSU and Clemson this week
Jack McGuire of Barstool Sports is reporting this...
This would be nuts and groundbreaking if true - adding Clemson seems like a stretch as they are not close to a fit outside of athletics. He says "this week" so we will find out soon.
My wife is a Seminole so it would make our household rooting dynamics much more interesting!!!
Who can believe anything? That said, up yours SEC.
That make you feel better.
SEC gets on only the weakest Michigan Fans nerves.
being a sports fan isn't a contest
It ain't? Then why do 97.4% of all sports fans argue about their team being awesome and other teams being rotten?
97.4% = a totally accurate and totally made up statistic.
The other 2.6% are Lions fans (until this year!)
credit 1 for the nice zinger
No wonder you always come across pissy.
Next time you come in, come pissy or not at all.
Your comment reminded me of Junior Soprano for some reason.
The results are in and you are the worst. Why you are not in Bolivia yet is beyond me. Troll doing troll things.
If the B1G were really that close (meaning the contracts are all but worked out) for 4 major Universities, I can't help but believe this would be more widespread news. If this were the case (and certainly each of those schools would know about the other 3 as part of the package) there would be no way to keep a lid on this, as hundreds, if not thousands of people would have to know (including all the other B1G schools). And yet Scoop City has the lead on this?
FSU fans certainly think something's up, and we know that FSU's AD wants to move, and has continued to make noise about moving when he could. But if there is anything happening in the immediate future, it will happen in the next two weeks. FSU's trustees scheduled a meeting for this week, and that helped to activate the rumor mill. Notification to the ACC of departure would have to come, apparently, before August 15. So--long story short--there are reasons for the rumors. The Tallahassee Democrat throws a little cold water on such rumors by noting that a contemplated move is not on the official agenda for the meeting. (The Democrat talks regularly about a possible move.) The Warchant podcaster, who I know nothing about, insists that Clemson is part of this conversation. (He's also candid about preferring the SEC, since--in his opinion--every football weekend would be crazy in Tallahassee.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XclnV3qlK-8 *
A 20-team B1G that spans both coasts and touches north and south is, to me, a way to draw a lot of eyeballs, and provides simple math for two conferences and rotating games. That also leaves the SEC and ESPN looking distinctly regional, which to my mind would be very, very smart. Would be very hard to deny B1G hegemony at that stage. . .
Couple of adds: FSU chose the ACC bc it was a better 'academic fit' when it first joined. The school is working hard to gain entry to the AAU. My wife is a long-tenured faculty member at FSU who says a lot of colleagues think joining the B1G might help slow DeSantis's assault on academic freedom, etc. If presidents really DO have some say, that could play into this.
*Trigger warning: There's a Greenpeace ad with Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin that precedes the show on my feed. :)
FSU and Clemson are not culture fits.
FSU is a better fit than Clemson. It is pretty good in terms of academics.
I’d much rather have fsu and Clemson than Washington and Oregon, I have zero interest in adding more west coast schools
You know who does have an interest in more West Coast schools? USC and UCLA. There's zero chance the B1G doesn't throw them a bone by adding more teams in their own timezone.
I'd say the chances are far greater than zero that the Big Ten stands pat in the Pacific time zone. When has the Big Ten ever shown they will vote against their own interests? Because adding Washington and Oregon only helps those two new schools. It makes everyone else's travel schedules worse.
If the Big Ten adds more schools, it will be because they think it will benefit them financially. It won't be because they want to do someone a favor.
I doubt that 2 additional hours on a plane past Omaha to get to Eugene are going to do anything to temper this situation
August 1st, 2023 at 12:14 AM ^
That’s about another 3 and 1/2 hours past Omaha to Eugene, but point taken.
August 5th, 2023 at 12:24 AM ^
FINALLY, someone with a little logic. Thank you. I've been saying since the minute they added USC and UCLA that the next logical choices are Cal, Stanford, Washington, Oregon and if they were going for a 7 team Western division similar to the two others, then its a toss up between CU and U of A. Which it now seems obvious they are not interested in either of those two. But the point being, it would seem ludicrous to add two schools from the PST and leave them on an island. It was just a matter of time and now Cal and Stanford are next.
what is the difference between adding west coast or florida schools? its a plane ride either way.
IMO, it would actually be easier for many M fans to make an away game Seattle than in Tallahassee.
Its a similar-ish flight time from DTW since you don't have to connect through ATL.
August 5th, 2023 at 12:50 PM ^
The difference is called a "TIME ZONE". One that is THREE hours earlier.
Why? Those are two great programs, and the Pac12 is a cultural match with the B10. Plus, you don't add USC and UCLA and just leave them out on an island. Oregon and Wash are perfect matches.
Clemson seems like a "hey ND, we are about to ruin your half conference association"
Then we swap ND in when they come begging.
Clemson isn't all that bad, they are #77 which is tied with MSU and PSU, plus higher than Rutgers, Iowa, Illinois and Nebraska.
FSU is close in ranking to OSU and Oregon would be one of the lowest ranked if added.
Plus, Clemson and FSU would be in the SEC and ACC footprint which would tweak both conference fanbases.
If you haven't seen Clemson's campus you are missing out on a lot, it is quite beautiful although the town is pretty small but at least Greenville is pretty close by and Atlanta is just a few hours away.
I live in Greenville, SC and recruit at area schools as part of my job. Clemson is generally seen as a school on the rise, and they're attracting a lot of kids from the east coast who want better weather, a reasonable cost and a more conservative college culture. In my professional area, they are head and shoulders above the University of South Carolina and my perception is that the kids are a little smarter than what you'd find at Michigan State.
The student body is more culturally conservative than with current B10 schools, but the campus is nice and people down here LOVE college football because there are no professional teams in the state. Clemson doesn't really have a hated rival in the ACC, and I their fan base would warm up pretty quickly to the move. I'm a little biased but I think it'd be good for both sides.
August 5th, 2023 at 12:26 AM ^
What rankings are you referring to? Are the in the AAU? Then they arent in the B1G.
And Miami is more than FSU.
I might believe FSU but no way Clemson. That school would not move the needle for the B1G on the academic side and believe it or not they would not bring a lot of tv viewership to the conference
Is it though? I debated between UF and FSU for business school and the choice was clear which school had the far better academics. And it wasn't the Seminoles.
Overall, UF is the better school (it’s the flagship, after all) but FSU has improved a lot in the past decade and the gap between UF and FSU is now significantly smaller than between UM and MSU. Some programs at FSU are better than their counterparts at UF, too. What’s keeping FSU out of the AAU is a lack of a university hospital and the money that comes with it, but the university is in the process of changing that.
FSU and Clemson are not culture fits.
I would say that FSU and Clemson are not good culture fits for a conference with the likes of Michigan and Northwestern.
But FSU and Clemson probably are reasonably good culture fits for a conference with the likes of Michigan State and Indiana.
If we're not going to have any sort of geographic integrity in the conferences then I kind of wish some of the elite academic schools would get together and do their own thing.
I agree, kick MSU out.
/s
//not really though
Yeah. If we kicked MSU out then I would be sad about not being able to joke about kicking MSU out anymore.
Stanford, Northwestern, Um, Duke, Virginia, Vanderbilt, Cal etc.
Would we be the football factory with low academic standards. Im joking people settle down.
Seriously though what top academic school succeeds in FBS football at an elite level. Its not easy if you look at that list. To hell with Notre Dame BTW.
Would never happen but in this vein you could also add ND, North Carolina, BC, USC, UCLA, Purdue, Miami (FL)
I'd throw Texas on the list.
Nice list Ivy and good add Grem. We are actually making a nice little conference.
And, actually, Georgia is higher on the list than most would guess.
Delete double post.
What kind of culture fit does FSU and Clemson have with a conference that has OSU and PSU?
Who are we kidding here? Football players are seldom in highly difficult majors at any school. Most likely, Oregon, Clemson, FSU, whatever, use the same textbooks and cover the same material in almost all undergraduate classes as UM. Graduate school is when Universities differentiate themselves much more so than undergraduate. People get too hung up on all this bullshit of rankings. They don't mean much for most undergraduates, who will get out of college what they put into it.
August 5th, 2023 at 12:30 AM ^
Sounds like you're hung up on rankings because they have ZERO to do with admittance into the B1G. Here's how it goes...............1) How big is the TV market. 2) Are the members of the AAU?
Check both boxes, gain consideration.
At number 19 among public schools, it looks to me as though FSU is higher ranked than all but four-five B1G universities?
The way people talk through their behinds on some of this stuff, well. . . I guess it's in keeping with the way they talk through their behinds on everything else. Never mind!
If DeSantis has his way with the ideological and curriculum control that he is demanding (and being gleefully handed by the Florida legislature) of the state university system, FSU won't be as high as number 19 for long.
That's hilarious.
The elite institutions of this nation were created by people far more racist, misogynistic, and homophobic than Ron DeSantis. Certain portions of the population forget that they stand upon the shoulders of brilliant bigots.
With a 200-300 years ago caveat.
Actually, American universities began their meteoric rise with the migration of many brilliant Jews and others fleeing Germany and other European cities in the 30's and beyond. At that point in time, German universities were the envy of the world, and American education was thus transformed in this image. So, what bigots did 150 years ago, is far less relevant than what John Von Neumann, Enrico Fermi, Kurt Godel, and many others did from 1930-1960. And that's not even mentioning what Von Neumann did for poker in America.
August 1st, 2023 at 12:12 PM ^
Yes, and there are a lot of ironies involved. FSU and UF began their rise in the rankings when Jeb Bush ("the education governor") designated them as the state's flagship u's, and began pumping lots more money into them. That another (albeit nutcake zealot) governor may be the fool who undoes all the hard work and investment. . .
This is one reason why a lot of faculty and staff at FSU hope that the B1G brings FSU aboard; could help, a lot.
EDIT: I know that the OP got hammered for citing Barstool Sports, but there is a fair lot of speculation out there, including by a lot of FSU sources. It's the surprise addition of Clemson that made me skeptical, because--nice town and strong engineering program notwithstanding--Dabo Sweeney has long seemed like such an unsavory, unscrupulous soul. We shall see.