RR is capable of fielding good defensive teams

Submitted by Communist Football on

The premise, implied or explicit, of all of the "fire RichRod" posts is that he's incapable of putting forth a competitive defense.

Rich Rod's later WVU teams played excellent defense -- go take a look at the highlights from the 2006 Sugar Bowl against Georgia or the 2008 Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma. 

In that 2007-8 season, WVU had the seventh-ranked defense (by yardage) in the country. Indeed, in 2010, WVU is ranked fourth defensively under Jeff Casteel.

Here are the total defense / scoring defense rankings for WVU in the last six years:

2005: 15th / 13th

2006: 62nd / 49th

2007: 7th / 8th

2008: 36th / 11th

2009: 36th / 31st

2010: 4th / 5th

I realize that the Big East is not the Big Ten. However, WVU showed in those bowl games that their defense was for real. Jeff Casteel has achieved those rankings running the 3-3-5, FYI.

The point I'm trying to make is: RR is clearly capable of coaching a team with a successful defense. Why hasn't he had one at Michigan? As has been noted many times by many people, (1) because the defense was famously decimated; (2) highly touted recruits haven't worked out and/or left; (3) he naively thought the defense would be fine, and focused heavily on getting the right players on offense given the radical overhaul he needed to execute and has successfully achieved; (4) Jeff Casteel didn't come with him to Michigan.

RR is capable of running a competent defense. Hence, firing him because you think the defense won't get better seems senseless to me. As does firing him because you're frustrated with the losing (as we all are).

There is only one reason to fire RR: because you believe that Michigan will be a more successful football program, over the long haul, with someone else as the coach. In order for that to be true, there needs to be another coach out there, who is available, who you think would win national championships at Michigan. (Keep in mind that Lloyd Carr won one, Gary Moeller won zero, and Bo Schembechler won zero.)

Personally, it's not obvious to me that there is an available coach out there, Harbaugh included, who is clearly superior to RR. If other people believe otherwise, I'm happy to consider persuasive arguments.

Personally, I still believe that once we get a full defensive roster here, with this offense, we will be an awesome team.  While it's true that these last three years may well have gone better under a more traditional coach, it's hardly clear that a Harbaugh type could lead us to MNC titles. On the other hand, the RR offense combined with an above-average defense will.

We gave RR time on the offensive side of the ball, and he has given us the best offense we've had at Michigan in generations, along with one of the best individual athletes in Denard we have ever seen here.  Let's see how RR does with an upperclassman-led defense before blowing up the program again.

Indiana Blue

November 1st, 2010 at 10:55 AM ^

Yards per game   M  440   F 315

Points per game   M  30.0    F   20.3

My concern is GERG ... not even the 3 - 3 - 5.  He was horrible at Syracuse and worse here (b/c the B10 is just better than the Bi East).  His trophy case is full of dust ... and this is his second year ... we should being seeing impovement and there was none last Saturday coming off a bye week. 

Shit  -  Every PSU fan I talked to at the game Saturday thought they were going to get blown out.  So did I ... but all the bye week did was make us forget how we can't stop anyone.  Its getting really hard to stay optimistic !

Go Blue !

iawolve

November 1st, 2010 at 9:56 AM ^

Scheming to stop offensive luminaries such as the Stache, GERG for a few years, Edsall and  Schiano? Kelly came to Cincy on the back end of RR leaving, but he did have Petrino ('05-07 in your analysis up top) for a while which is the only scary team.

I am not saying Casteel is not a talented guy, he may be great. I just struggle when we compare two leagues with vastly different levels of talent (remember UConn was supposed to challenge for the league title) and try to project it forward. Throw in the Pat White years and you have many teams playing from behind which would further help any statistics. 

arod

November 1st, 2010 at 11:19 AM ^

when RR has never  fielded a team that could crack .500 in Big Ten play.  You know how Vince Lombardi couldn't fix our defense?  Well, Jesus Christ could not lead this team to national title in the following seasons.  I like this team and it has a lot of talent, but I can't see it going from a  6-6 or 7-5 club to a 12-0 or 11-1 world beater even with more experience on defense.   I'd settle for a coach that competed for conference titles each year, but then again, I liked Lloyd Carr so clearly I'm not a true Michigan fan an don't know anything about football.

bluefrombirth

November 1st, 2010 at 11:32 AM ^

Please place your snark/sarcasm readers to high test

One added bonus to this season is that travel expenses will be less this year. The toll at the scales should be consiberably less now that all the FAIRWEATHER FANS have appropriately jumped off the BANDWAGON, if the team finishes 5-7 then you have a reason to fire the guy. They just played the eighth game of twelve game season and you have written off this team already. Did you write off Michigan after the loss to app state, did you wwirte them off after the FIFTH CONSECUTIVE LOSS TO OSU.

Blue 8198

November 1st, 2010 at 11:48 AM ^

True, but the Soviet Union once ruled over Eastern Europe (as all good communists know). 

That said, I defer to the excellent points made on both sides above.  Now that I have calmed down from Saturday I agree that RR should be given one more year but, dear God, if defense doesn't improve dramatically that has to be the end.