Report: MBB Coaches Telling Recruits They Have Room
Figured this deserved its own thread.
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2015/04/caris_levert_fills_final_spot.html
As the article says, Williams and Brown are the two big targets, with my money being on Williams.
This also leads me to wonder where flexibility will come from. Numbers are numbers, and right now we are at the limit (Thank you Captain Obvious!).
April 21st, 2015 at 12:38 PM ^
Hatch must be getting a medical scholarship.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:46 PM ^
Beilein said he didn't expect any more attrition.. but sometimes things just pop up. Smart money is on the Hatch thing though.
This felt like it was going to be the case the second they burned his redshirt earlier this season.
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April 21st, 2015 at 12:38 PM ^
April 21st, 2015 at 12:42 PM ^
know if it entirely does explain it. It explains one part of it, but not why we would need Davis with Doyle, Wilson, Donnal, and Teske expected to contribute at that spot already.
I think there could be some unexpected attrition at that spot, and one name in particular jumps out at me from the list above that was likely not all that happy last year, and whom JB may have not been all that happy with.
Not saying I want that to happen, but I do think it is a possible development.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:47 PM ^
Davis, in all likelihood, won't step foot on campus until 2017, after a year of post-grad prep school. Doyle, Wilson, and Donnal will be seniors by then.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:49 PM ^
And he will probably redshirt in 2017, so he might not even see the court until 2018.
I think He's good enough
But it's pretty unusual to be talking about a kid going to prep school at this stage when there aren't any academic issues. Doesn't a red-shirt make more sense?
Davis has a full year of high school left and by all accounts is improving rapidly. The speculation has all been fueled by people who refuse to accept Beilein and Co.'s evaluation of a 16 year old kid because the people who post on the internet haven't decided he's good yet.
There is zero reason to think Davis is planning a prep year or that a redshirt is more likely than it would be for any other player. Beilein is very patient/deliberate with dishing out offers and doesn't give them conditionally. The same worry warts were out in force last year when we took MAAR and Dawkins last year (many didn't want one, much less both since they had no stars or offers). Same happened with Spike and LeVert. Same with Doyle (many acted like he would never see the court until his 7th or 8th year on campus).
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People are just trying to come up with rationalizations -- but the speculation comes from Rivals (I think) and those guys sometimes have good sources inside the program.
As for the red-shirt thing...well, yeah, it is more likely a kid red-shirts when they have low chance of playing time. I do agree with you that we shouldn't assume it's Davis (rather than Teske) who necessarily red-shirt at this point, but it seems like that is a viable option.
As for taking MAAR/Dawkins/etc. The failure to recruit elite players led directly to the struggles of the team last year (in the frontcourt especially which goes back prior to LeVert/Walton injuries)
Beilein's made the personnel calls he's made, but this is the first time Michigan's had a such a positional imbalance relative to presumed playing time/roles.
The struggles in the frontcourt came about because our starters at the 4 and 5 went to the NBA after their sophomore seasons. Then the presumed replacement at center transferred to Florida.
If anything, we recruited players who were too elite, and as a result 4 of the 5 guys who should've started on last year's team were in the NBA instead. Then we got hit with an unexpected transfer and two big injuries.
In short, bitching about our basketball program is kind of insane. I thought the two deep tourney runs would bring some reason, but hopefully another great season next year does the trick.
I hate this argument. The NBA is huge factor in college basketball. Anybody acting like it's a tragedy when starters on back-to-back Great 8 teams go to the NBA is completely out of touch with reality IMO.
There is no such thing as "too elite". People act like it would be better if Robinson and McGary were worse players. As if it they played like Kam Chatman did as a freshman and then eventually rounded into the players they were as upperclassmen, that would be better. Why? because it better fits the standard narrative?
I call BS. Those guys (Robinson and McGary) were the best 4 and 5 men Beilein's ever had. He can't expect them to stick around for 4 years and I don't think he did. It's his job to replace great players with more great players. Competing at an elite level means recruiting at an elite level and getting on the NBA talent assembly line.
McGary is clearly ready for the NBA. He probably should have left after his freshman season. Michigan is lucky they got him for 2. Frankly, the same is true for GR3 because that was a weaker draft and he would have been a year younger and probably gotten drafted at the end of round 1 had he entered the draft with Trey and THJ.
Michigan is lucky to have had them both for 2 years.
Bitching about NBA departures is what I find insane. If your team has success it's going to happen. You want success. So you want NBA departures. Wish them well and move on.
...the scholarship offer. Let's stipulate that he'll be as good as senior Jordan Morgan. That still leaves Michigan with four centers and two true guards on its 2016 roster.
you get that Stip. Senior Jordan Morgan was a man amongst boys who could score points with his mind. I do not believe Davis will be that.
Haven't people been bitching for years that Beilein needs to make his team bigger and stronger and better on the glass? Then when he does it, there's more panic?
You aren't counting Irvin or Dawkins as guards when they can probably play that role. You're assuming no one leaves early for the NBA draft. We're going after Williams which would make a third "true" guard if we land him. And you're assuming everyone in a logjam at the 4 stays committed and at UM (decent shot whoever finds themselves on the bench may look elsewhere) and that we don't then add another blue-chip guard. Having Doyle (junior), Wilson (sophomore), Davis and Teske (freshmen) isn't some crazy overload. One guy may not pan out. Somebody might leave. Somebody (maybe Wilson) may play the four. You want at least three guys who you're comfortable putting on the floor in a game situation. Having one extra doesn't sound crazy under those circumstances.
Beilein obviously isn't done recruiting, so acting like we know what the roster will look like a year from now, and worrying about it the very second we take a commitment from a kid the staff obviously wants (coupled with the loads of criticism you know the kid received), is very premature.
I don't think you or anyone can just wave off the fact that top 10 classes led immediately to top 10 results. The 2012 and 2013 classes were Beilein's best. So were those teams. And yeah, Trey, THJ, Morgan, etc. helped big time amd everything came together at once, and blah blah blah. Great recruiting + Great coaching = Great Team. The Great Coaching part has come to be a given at Michigan. Recruiting is the variable.
Trust JB -- of course. But people act like JB picked these 3 star guys over 5 stars. He didn't. So if you trust JB, you trust that his first picks (e.g., Bates-Diop, Booker) were correct. These were recruiting losses that stung.
You are right that it's not a CRAZY overload to have 4 centers. But you conveniently ignored Donnal, which makes it 5. And then if you want to slide a guy to the 4 you add Moritz and Wagner and Chatman and Dawkins into the mix and THAT position starts to look overloaded. Then you ask who the guards are in the guard-oriented offense and it makes you scratch your head about what is going on.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:42 PM ^
April 21st, 2015 at 12:46 PM ^
Brian mentioned a while back they probably can get a waiver for him to play on senior night, but otherwise, yes, his playing days are over. He can continue to practice and do everything else with the team.
If you're on a medical scholarship, are you allowed to practice?
I am pretty sure any student can technically practice with them.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:47 PM ^
If he accepts a medical hardship, I believe it means his career is over period. If he wanted to try and play somewhere else, I think he has to turn down the medical hardship scholarship from Michigan and transfer elsewhere. I don't think you can be on a medical hardship scholarship for a year or two, and then transfer and go play somewhere else.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:41 PM ^
I like both scenarios with Brown and Williams.
Getting Brown: We bring in a blue-chip who makes us a top 5 team.
Getting Williams: We could probably afford to RS him this season and open up some PT for everyone else.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^
think the red shirt would be a given, I think we may need some back up at the point if/when Spike has surgery on the other hip.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:45 PM ^
Very true, but this option at least makes us fleixible to go either way.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^
Hatch seems sensible, and his transition has probably been known for some time. I would expect it's a mutual choice, perhaps even proposed by Hatch--he's going to be spending three more years on the bench either way, why not see better players? He got on the floor.
I wouldn't be shocked to find out that there's a transfer in the works, too, though. We know how clogged playing time is becoming, and I wonder if there is a young guy on the roster who sees the writing on the wall and surprises us by moving. It's pretty common these days, and of course we've seen it happen before.
This is what I have thought all along. Im very annoyed with people who are saying "its the wrong thing to do" to put Hatch on medical. IMO, it's the only thing to do, because it is the most fair and equal option to all parties involved. Sure, for those in the MGoScrutinize column, it would be better for Hatch to have made this proposal, rather than Coach B. Hatch is a wonderful kid and is truly an inspiration to anyone that has heard his story. However, the truth is the truth, he is unable to compete at the college level, so why would they keep him on athletic scholarship knowing he is never going to play any meangingful basketball minutes for the rest of his college career? It's not like the coaching staff is kicking him off the team and out of college. Hatch can still practice and go to team meetings, I'm sure he will be included in the road travel games as well, plus all the pre season and post season tournaments, how awesome is that? He could also find his way into a coaches chair as a graduate assistant if he so has the desire. Anyways, that is all for my rant. It was just really bothering me that some MGoBloggers are so offended by the idea of Hatch being moved to medical hardship.
I absolutely agree. I love Austin Hatch, his heart, his courage, and his desire and drive to be a Michigan Basketball player. I believe he loves the university, and Coach B and his teammates. I also believe he is an incredibly classy young man who has, more than likely, come to the stark realization that he will never be a rotation player on the basketball team of the university he would give his heart and soul for. I believe Coach B is a man of impeccable character, a man of honesty and integrity. I believe it is highly possible Austin approached Coach B and inquired about the possibility of a Medical Hardship Waiver. Together they made a decision that if a player was available worthy of Austin Hatch's scholarship, they would apply for the medical waiver. Both Jaylen Brown and Kenny Williams fit nicely into that category. I do not know that this happened, it's just a scenario I believe could have occurred and very possibly did. I will even go so far as to say Coach B may have tried to convince Austin to continue on an athletic scholarship. But Austin is a young man not only of great character but of courage and resolve. And Coach B idealistically believes, in this modern world, that a promise is still a promise, but he's also a realist who is able to see the big picture. In the end I think Austin was able to convince Coach B that this is the "right thing to do." I don't know if it's possible but I would love to see the scholarship named the Austin Hatch Athletic Scholarship for Basketball in honor of this incredible young man and the sacrifices he has made in life.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:50 PM ^
Can't......look.....away.......
April 21st, 2015 at 12:50 PM ^
Holy Crap that's funny!!
I can't believe she tried to take on that RB without squaring her shoulders and bending her knees. She did do a good job of keeping her head up in proper tackling form!
See what you hit, hit what you see.
I'd say the horse did a pretty good job there ....
April 21st, 2015 at 12:58 PM ^
She dead
Is this Ty Isaac's High School film?
Big 10 officials just called that a blocking foul
April 21st, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^
April 21st, 2015 at 12:49 PM ^
He's not going pro. He's not contributing at a high level on a competitive basketball court.
A free education at one of the best universities on the planet seems like a great "shot" to me.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:52 PM ^
If basketball at a pro level isn't in his future, I'd rather see him get a solid degree and education so he can have a good head start on a future in the working world.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:55 PM ^
This is stupid. So, so stupid. Like, are your brain biscuits even turning???
April 21st, 2015 at 12:57 PM ^
Brain biscuits???
Pure gold.
April 21st, 2015 at 12:57 PM ^
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A shot at what? I have to imagine the coaches would treat him well, he could still be part of the program in practice, and he'd get a great education in the process.
What if he came to the coaches with this option. I can see someone like Austin Hatch going to the coaches with this option. He will likely still be a part of this team even if he does get a medical hardship.
Ben Cronin did something similar. He had a career ending injury, but he stayed on as student coach until he graduated.
If he had a shot, he would get a shot here. The fact that he didn't play this year while Dakich and Lonergan got significant minutes, yet still didn't redshirt, should be a pretty good indication of where his physical abilities are at this point and going forward.
People seem to forget the kid literally fell out of the sky. Twice. As a result, there is a decent chance that he just won't be able to play competitive basketball at a high level again. But he can still get a degree and be a valuable member of this team/university. Pretty much a fairy tale ending to the story, if you ask me.