Realistic Perspective from Baumgardner: M has progressed, but not enough yet

Submitted by wolverine1987 on November 26th, 2018 at 10:48 AM

I think Nick is pretty fair and also is one of the only MSM types who even tries to break down plays and look at data. Here are a couple of representative quotes:

"Jim Harbaugh's program is better today than a year ago. It's better today than when he walked into the Junge Center on Dec. 30, 2014, with an unprecedented amount of desperation-induced euphoria and fanfare."

"Michigan froze in the spotlight Saturday at Ohio State. There's no other way to spin it. There were issues and mishaps that simply hadn't happened over the course of the previous 10 games. The big stage will do that if you're not prepared for it and, for a variety of reasons, Michigan wasn't." 

 

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2018/11/26/michigan-football-progress-but-more-needed/2109924002/

 

Wolverine Devotee

November 26th, 2018 at 10:50 AM ^

Really posed as clickbait on Twitter 

the fact is we have won big games this year. Two Top-15 matchups and 3 total over ranked teams. You wouldn’t know that from how it was tweeted.

Wolverine Devotee

November 26th, 2018 at 11:05 AM ^

What about the 42-7 win over #14 PSU who is now ranked higher than they were when we beat them?

I’m sure I’ll hear some bullshit about how that doesn’t count because Franklin draws dicks on his notebooks during games. 

The game was awful. I don’t need to deal with this negativity making it even worse. I’m gonna step away from the site for a bit until people calm down and realize we’re a top-10 program and team.

I Like Burgers

November 26th, 2018 at 11:14 AM ^

Michigan is definitely a top 10 program. But it was made clear on Saturday they don’t have what it takes to be a top 5 program.

Saban figured it out years ago when Texas A&M and Auburn ran all over his defense and his ball control offense didn’t work. Then he hired Kiffin and the rest is history.

The defensive issues can be fixed but they need to modernize their offense the way Alabama did so they can compete in a shootout.

Robbie Moore

November 26th, 2018 at 4:06 PM ^

Really??? Saban was on the decline until Lane Kiffin showed up? That's hilarious! You mean the Lane Kiffin who went 5-7 this year at FAU?  The same guy that failed at Tennessee, Southern Cal and with the Raiders? He's got some offensive chops but if his name wasn't Kiffin he'd be coordinating offense at some place like South Dakota State.

Squad16

November 26th, 2018 at 12:34 PM ^

Exactly. We're a top ten program insomuch as we're solidly in the #7-#10 spots of that order. 

 

At this point under Harbaugh, I think we can expect about half of years to be fringe Top 10 (like this year), and the other half to be fringe Top 25 (like last year). That's very good. It's also decidedly not elite. And it's most definitely not warranting a Top 3 paid coaching staff. 

 

All of these things can be true. 

Blue in Paradise

November 26th, 2018 at 11:08 AM ^

Both are being too dogmatic here.  There are no firm rules here, circumstances change throughout the season.  If we played Nebraska in November, we weren't going to win 56-10, maybe 42-28.

Wisconsin with Hornibrook probably goes 9-3 instead of 7-5; Michigan State probably is a 7-5 team.  You have to look at each situation individually.

MGoManBall

November 26th, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^

While I agree, time of game rankings are what determine the winner's ranking at the time. People don't go back and say "well, Wisconsin wasn't very good it turns out so we're going to drop you from 4th to 10th because that's where you would have been had we known Wisconsin would only win 7 games."

Guy Fawkes

November 26th, 2018 at 10:59 AM ^

LOL, Wisconsin just lost @home to Minnesota and MSU beat Rutgers by 4. Both finished 7-5 and out of the rankings. Wouldnt be surprised if both get wrecked in the bowl game. They were both necessary wins, not impressive or anything we should beat our chest about

bacon1431

November 26th, 2018 at 11:20 AM ^

Wisconsin also didn't have a healthy Qb after we played them. So it's not surprising that they had an awful finish to the season. 

On the other hand, Nebraska was playing like a 8-9 win team by season's end. 

It goes both ways. You have to look at each win in context of the moment in happened, and also how those team's seasons progressed. 

Also, if you're whinging about how we didn't beat anybody - ok, let's look at it. We destroyed Wisconsin, PSU and MSU. If they're as bad as you think they are, then we beat them how they should have been beaten. We laid a big fat egg on Saturday, no two ways about it. But to discredit our entire body of work is just stupid. 

Rabbit21

November 26th, 2018 at 11:19 AM ^

Yeah, umm, this is a good and realistic take.  Michigan played like shit on Saturday, they weren't prepared for a big game, they've rarely been prepared for big games in the Harbaugh era and Baumgardner is not a villain for pointing out the obvious.

He acknowledges the program has imporved and answered a lot of questions, but they failed HARDCORE this past weekend.  If you have a problem with that, I really don't know what to tell you.

Lakeyale13

November 26th, 2018 at 11:43 AM ^

Rabbit21, I have to agree with you. If you look at the last two games Michigan has played on the biggest stage (Last years Bowl game against SC and this year agains OSU) Michigan has looked outclassed in every facet. Most importantly, the team looks ill prepared and the Coaching has been more than just suspect.

ak47

November 26th, 2018 at 10:50 AM ^

It comes down to recruiting. OSU had a more talented roster. Yes it had underperformed to this point in the year but they were top 5 in the preseason for a reason and still had a top 5 offense this year.

Albatross

November 26th, 2018 at 11:44 AM ^

Harbaugh took over a team that had over 20 players that were either drafted or made an NFL roster. About 25% of his roster had NFL talent. That is not insignificant and in the very least gives a coach enough runway to get his program up to speed by years 3 and 4.

 

 

UMxWolverines

November 26th, 2018 at 3:30 PM ^

Stop with this started from scratch crap. You'd think Michigan is the only major program to suffer bad years in college football and have to rebound. Oklahoma, USC, Alabama, NOTRE DAME all have. Guess who's gone 12-0 twice in the last 7 years? 

robpollard

November 26th, 2018 at 10:57 AM ^

It's more than recruiting.

The talent disparity was not 62-39. There was a bigger talent disparity last year, and that game was close in the 4th quarter.

There were coaching screwups up & down the field in how to use the talent we have. Certainly getting super fast safeties like Daxton Hill is key; but we need to use him (and everyone else) appropriately for what OSU is doing. That didn't happen on Saturday.

Eyzwidopn

November 26th, 2018 at 11:15 AM ^

Agreed.  Think back to 2016 when Peppers came in on offense and was used so predictably.  No thought it seemed of using him in consecutive downs, varied formations, etc., to try and expose Ohio State weaknesses against his athleticism.  It reminded me of the game when Denard came in and everyone knew he wasn't going to throw so Ohio State just keyed the run.  Stop being so damn predictable!

This team has too many weapons in Peoples-Jones, Black, Collins, Bell, Evans and Thomas, players with exceptional speed, to not have utilized them in more creative ways on offense that capitalized on their talents... just like Ohio State successfully executed.  

robpollard

November 26th, 2018 at 11:29 AM ^

But OSU played a lot of teams this year, and they didn't boat race anyone of consequence like they did us. They literally played Michigan State and Maryland (two common opponents, whom we beat by double digits) earlier this month and it was nothing like The Game.

OSU saw what Indiana did and said, "Hell, we have a better QB and better WRs -- we can do that, but better!" and did it over and over (with some variations) until we stopped them (which was never).

UM saw what Maryland did to OSU on defense and....avoided it completely. E.g., did we run *one* jet sweep? I stopped watching after awhile, so maybe I missed it, but I do know Bell and DPJ got zero carries.

That's all coaching.

btn

November 26th, 2018 at 10:57 AM ^

I don’t get the hate on him from some around here, one of the best beat reporters in the country and will probably get a new job and a raise somewhere else soon