Question about Rich Rod

Submitted by MinorforPresident on
Do you think if I send him a bill he will pay for my TV since I'm about to break it?

MGoCards

November 20th, 2010 at 3:10 PM ^

Bah. I'm for not referencing every time "practice" comes up but eff that, son, about Iverson being a "douchebag" and about the press conference not being funny. You don't know Allen Iverson, for one. Secondly, anti-Iverson rhetoric is almost always dogwhistle territory. Then calling him stupid on top of that is just regular-ass whistle territory. Iverson is one of the most important athletes of the this century so far and too bad that he had to go all the way to Turkey to get the ovation he deserves.  

MGoCards

November 20th, 2010 at 9:21 PM ^

He's the most important NBA player, to the extent that he, as a concept, forced those who follow the league to deal with its residual racial demons and to the (concomitant) extent that he changed our perception of what a star player's relationship to "the streets" (or to black culture, in general) can be. He's the first guy to bring the tattoos and cornrows; the first bona fide star who was directly and obviously hip hop influenced, without a — sorry but I can't find a better word — whitewashing for widespread palatability. I mean, yeah, Shaq had rap albums but they were Disney-fied, even if Shaq's passion was obviously strong but never ever ever had he done anything as raw as "40 bars."

The mere existence of Iverson changed the way that we evaluated and accepted every NBA player to come before him or since. That's no understatement. We remember him crossing Jordan as sort of a coup for the game's organic intellectuals over the astroturfed superstars, even though we know that's not exactly fair. That might be a bit of an overstatement, but there's no denying that, in light of AI, it's hard not to think of Jordan and his "Republicans buy shoes too" ethos as milquetoast. Again, AI was a bona fide star doing this. He wasn't just some guy. And poor Kobe (my favorite player, possibly ever) struggled for years before he got over, largely because he was too modeled, in the early days, on Jordan's everything-to-all-people paradigm that AI destroyed (handily). 

Anyhow, every true Scotsman NBA fan understands AI's impact. And the "most important" NBA player has to rank among the "most important athletes" of the 21st century. If I had to make a list of ten it would have to include Tiger, Barry Bonds, AI, and Federer. The footballers would be a tossup (Beckham? Never even won the Ballon d'Or. Ronaldinho? Ronaldo? Zidane?) and no American football players really rise to "important," to my mind, the way AI does. But does that reflect my pro-NBA/soccer bias or the faceless machinistic nature of American football? I dunno. I'm just saying that the AI designation not only makes sense but is pretty much accepted among most thinking NBA fans. Did you see the Hero's Welcome he received in Turkey? 

vegasjeff

November 21st, 2010 at 3:11 AM ^

What an arrogant douche you are.

Like cultural impact -- to a razor slim slice of American or world culture -- makes someone leapfrog the hundreds of athletes who made a much more significant impact where it counts: on the field of play.

There have been dozens of NBA players with a more significant athletic impact in the 21st century than Iverson.

Not to mention college hoops players, NFL and college football players, baseball players, hockey players, golfers, tennis players, Olympic sport athletes and more.

By "thinking" you mean by your way of thinking, which I'd wager is totally at odds with how most sports fans think. It's so obnoxious to claim that your opinion represents thinking fans. It doesn't.

MGoCards

November 21st, 2010 at 5:31 PM ^

I thought it was clear by invoking the "No True Scotsman" fallacy that the "thinking fans" thing was tongue-in-cheek. "But my uncle is a thinking fan and he disagrees." "Well he's no true thinking fan, then." So I agree with you, except that you didn't know that I agreed with you, with regard to "thinking fans." Sheesh.

Still, I dare you to make a case for "dozens of NBA players with a ore significant athletic impact" than Iverson. You're talking about a player who directly influenced so many players, who inspired rule changes, and who was, even if you don't include the off-court cultural impact, a singular talent in the league for a decade. I could see if you would state that there are a few players with more athletic impact (Duncan, Kobe, and a few others) but "dozens" would be a tall order. I don't believe you. 

And anyway, I didn't say "best athlete," I said "one of the most important." Again, I think there's a case for him as the former but I didn't make it. "Important" clearly implies a significance outside of stats and W's and L's. Is Peyton Manning "important"? He's important to professional football, for sure, but is he culturally representative of anything in particular or responsible for any changes in the way we think about sports or, especially, the world outside of sports? No. But that's, like, my opinion. As a thinker 

kevin holt

November 20th, 2010 at 6:03 PM ^

lose to a 7th ranked team? my goodness me, we need to shake up our program again so we can be good in a few years... of course after the coach gets settled, changes everything, and the transfers and underclassmen start to get behind us by a few years, and we get a new scheme, and new coaches, and a new stadium for extra measure... but next time we'll be patient and rational about the coach, guys, promise

NathanFromMCounty

November 20th, 2010 at 5:54 PM ^

...going from 3 to 5 to 7 wins is what is known in most circles as "progress".  You might not like where the team is at, you are probably even correct to say so.  But by definition, we are experiencing "progress".

 

Thank you.

 

Michigan fanatic

November 20th, 2010 at 1:26 PM ^

PATHETIC!!!!! I literally laughed when Gallon fumbled and just shook my head when the kicker missed an extra point style field goal and heard they have him seeing a sports psychologist!!! WTF REALLY!!!!

rtyler

November 20th, 2010 at 4:36 PM ^

Yeah, Chris Spielman is with you.  He thought that sports psychologist stuff is crap, and laughed it off on the air.  Thing is, when Tom Brady came to Michigan he was seventh in the depth chart and considered transferring to Cal.  He was having some issues so he went to a sports psychologist.  Things worked out pretty well for him, didn't they? It's not a ridiculous idea.

Mannix

November 20th, 2010 at 1:27 PM ^

Circa 2010 fall: "Hey, most of said 7-5, get over it, what did you expect, freshman, GERG, wait til 2012 when Denard is a sr! (and he's only missing open receivers by 5 yards, not 10 ELEVENTY!, freshman, but they're ranked, half time show rawked,

Mannix

November 20th, 2010 at 1:40 PM ^

That's why I'm giving ready answers for those in need. But, oh noes, the negging is really discouraging.

Denard to RB. I love how some got offended when Griese said, "Denard is a RB playing QB". What's not true about that? Tate to QB, Denard to RB, where his 4.3 speed is utilized and his lack of accuracy is not an issue.

Buzz

November 20th, 2010 at 4:24 PM ^

Blaming this on Denard is just plain ignorant. They adjusted in the 2nd half and the Denard and Stonum / Roundtree Show was pretty much on fire.

Here's the thing about this team: in 2 years, Denard will be better than he is now, epsecially with regards to his decision making.  Shit, they basically were in this game in the 3rd Q. I have zero concerns about the offense.  The defense on the other hand... Hopefully it will be a combination of some of the current players gradually getting better starting next spring, and the recruits pan out. 

dennisblundon

November 20th, 2010 at 1:40 PM ^

No you would be confusing fair weather with misinformed. 3 years into a developing an entirely knew style of play and at 7-3 you do not fire your coach. Boo all you want, break your TV, it really doesn't matter. You know jack shit about football or what it takes to turn around a program as you have probably never been part of one yourself. I am willing to bet team comes out swinging after half as they play their asses off for RR. If they lay down I will concede to you.

Michigan fanatic

November 20th, 2010 at 1:30 PM ^

It's not that thyere losing. i wasn't expecting to win anyways... It's the pathetic showing, the coaching, the D... I'm sick of these bubble screen calls on 3rd and 8. I'm sick of the CB's playing twelve yards off the ball and still getting beat. I've never heard the big house boo the team at halftime. Thats saying something.