Patterson reminds me a little of Devin Gardner
Just hear me out. Glad to get the W today. Great performance by the defense and the right matchup to play aggressive against a non spread offense. I thought coaching staff was way too conservative at the end in not getting a 1st down but defense bailed them out again. Iowa is a good team.
Now to my post title. When I watch Patterson I see a guy who has some physical talent but not necessarily qb talent or instincts. He tends to be slow in his release. Waiting for the guy to make his cut. That could be coaching but very similar to Gardner who was also late. It's a reflection of a guy who isn't a pure passer or hasn't been developed.
Patterson made a great long ball throw and then followed up with a key 3rd down throw. He finished the drive but those drives that lead to td's over the course of 12-15 plays are few are far between. Gardner was almost identical in that he was a big play or big mistake waiting to happen. You watch them both play and I get the impression I am watching a guy who can't make the basic pass or the consistent throw because they really want to go back to high school where they can run first and throw the long ball when needed.
It's like putting Tom Brady into some RPO system. He isn't built to run anymore than Gardner and Patterson are meant to throw pinpoint passes. Not to mention both guys seem to be careless with the ball. They really are the same guy. One guy was taller and faster and the other guy throws a better deep ball. I'd take Patterson but not by much.
Just my viewpoint. Did you watch the MSU vs. OSU game where Lewerke overthrew the receiver out in the flat by about 10 yards. It's hard to win with bad qb play. Doesn't matter whether it's UM or MSU. I just hope before I die that UM can get a Grbac level qb. I would take Rudock. Not asking for the moon. Just a guy who can throw a screen, slant and intermediate passes without me just shaking my head in disgust.
Maybe I have been watching Brady, Brees and Peyton for too long. Guys who can make reads and then have accuracy and touch on the ball. I just don't think you can coach this stuff without a basic passing foundation that they learned and developed in high school.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:05 PM ^
I think Gardner was better - especially given the sudden switch to QB after playing WR. Shea is a prima donna who doesn't back it up with play. He needs to sit as soon as possible
October 6th, 2019 at 12:10 AM ^
You can say a lot of things but Prima Donna? I dont think you know what that word means
October 6th, 2019 at 12:43 AM ^
Isn't it "pre madonna"? But we're post Madonna so this makes no sense. I don't fuckin' know.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:06 PM ^
Devin would be ballin in this offense. Great arm, good size, good runner.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:27 AM ^
Gardner would excel in this offense no doubt. He had zero O-line. I am one of the the more optimistic fans. They need to switch to DCaff for the better or worse.
October 6th, 2019 at 6:00 AM ^
Right on! It's clear that Jim Harbaugh can't properly assess quarterback talent. We should get somebody who is at least familiar with the most important position on the team and make her the head coach.
October 6th, 2019 at 8:38 AM ^
I thought Harbaugh was the QB whisperer. Haven't seen that since Jake Rudock. The QB play under Harbaugh hasn't lived up to expectations. He's wasting Mc Caffery's and Milton's talents.
October 6th, 2019 at 10:28 AM ^
Wilton Speight was on the path to being really really good. He could throw the deep ball. He could make the right reads. He had the magical ability to make the first rusher miss.
Then he died in Iowa. What we got afterwards was Zombie Speight, a broken shell of a QB that no amount of coaching could bring back to life.
October 6th, 2019 at 7:49 AM ^
And good protection.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:08 PM ^
This has been discussed ad nauseam I feel. Probably not worthy of a board post in itself, but to each their own.
Shea is substantially worse than I expected to see this season. He seems to have a complete inability to run zone schemes and go through progressions, his accuracy is touch and go, he locks onto receivers, and we have pretty much no ability to utilize the entirety of the field when we call pass plays. This has all been mentioned before, but in light of discussion, here it is again.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:11 PM ^
He should have gotten his ass off the golf course and worked on the plays a bunch over summer...
October 6th, 2019 at 12:22 AM ^
Is shea golfing a meme here now that I don’t understand ? Or are some of you foolish to believe Shea was golfing all the time and ignoring football ? It’s just so dumb and baseless.
October 6th, 2019 at 12:27 AM ^
It’s from Gattis who said it in the fall in tongue n cheek. Reporters thought it was odd.
October 6th, 2019 at 9:46 AM ^
both Gattis and Harbaugh made comments late in the summer and in the early fall about it. Harbaugh did at the B1G media day about if you want to be the guy you need to do things to be the guy. It was a not so subtle jab at Shea not putting in the work to get better and be a leader. Shit man even Shea didn't hide it. Remember when that tweet went out that people thought Shea forgot to log into his burner account and it turned out to be fake tweet? Sheas OFFICIAL response was along the line of "hey this wasn't me, my phone started blowing up and it almost wrecked my front nine". It isn't dumb and baseless, The two most important coaches for him both made comments that were along the lines of not being happy with their starting QB not working and putting in the time to be a championship level QB. It's not baseless that he wasn't voted to be a Captain and Harbaugh had to swoop in and "name him" a captain as well. None of this is baseless. Shea has an ego that is not matched by talent.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:54 PM ^
Does everyone have to start their comment off with "not threadworthy". We get it, nobody is allowed to post anything anymore. No more discussing anything football related or Michigan related. Let's just all sit here and look at our screens.
October 6th, 2019 at 12:52 AM ^
Didn’t mean to offend, it does get thrown around quite a bit. First time I’ve personally used it, but I understand where you are coming from. The board is here for us to post things, not really up to me to decide what is posted.
October 6th, 2019 at 1:03 AM ^
*nauseam; it's a FIRST DECLENSION noun this is MICHIGAN fergodsakes
October 6th, 2019 at 1:26 AM ^
Lol thanks, will fix. Hope that didn’t make you nauseous
October 6th, 2019 at 12:12 PM ^
Fer God's sake. Nauseated, not nauseous. GET IT TOGETHER PEOPLE!
October 5th, 2019 at 11:08 PM ^
If you mean he's similar as in they both have played qb at the University of Michigan then yes, Patterson totally reminds of Gardner.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:54 PM ^
Sick burn...you're so cool.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:10 PM ^
With competent coaching, and an actual O line, I'd take Gardner 100 times out of 100 over Patterson. Gardner had Clappy for a coach and Funk's crap O line getting him killed on a weekly basis.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:41 PM ^
I'm with you. Gardner did more with less. And he was (I'm sure still is) a man of incredible character given all that around him.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:10 PM ^
When will he embark upon his failed and baffling turn as a WR?
October 6th, 2019 at 12:44 AM ^
That's McCaffrey's job.
October 6th, 2019 at 12:12 PM ^
I think that's insightful. Could be McCaffrey never plays an opening game at qb. If Milton develops a touch more touch over the next year could easily see him starting in 2020.
Cheers.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:11 PM ^
i dont think accuracy is Shea's problem
October 5th, 2019 at 11:37 PM ^
This. Not to get too deep into any of this, but Shea looks like a guy who is still playing with that oblique injury. It appears to my untrained eye to be improving, but he doesn’t seem super confident in his health. Just my $0.02.
October 6th, 2019 at 12:18 AM ^
His oblique didn’t cause him to completely misread the coverage and/or cycle through his reads incorrectly as he did on the throw that was picked.
His oblique didn’t cause him to miss an open DPJ while taking a sack inside his own 10.
If he misreads a run play, maybe it’s not a read and he’s protecting the oblique. When he locks on to a receiver or he misreads coverage...again... it’s not an oblique as much as it is a senior QB who lacks the traits and qualities demanded of the position he plays.
October 6th, 2019 at 9:18 AM ^
Completley agree. I was explaining to the wife during the Iowa game that he also seems to lack the ability to throw to a receiver before he's open. As you said, I think he lacks the ability to read the coverage and can't throw to a guy not visibly open before he will let fly. Frustrating to watch, and real problem for any high level QB. If that can't change, you have to move on to someone else with more ceiling and ability.
October 6th, 2019 at 12:35 AM ^
Idk man, he just does not look like he is capable of going thru reads
October 6th, 2019 at 12:41 AM ^
He's just a very poor QB right now. He can't run this offense unless he makes faster decisions and is able see all of his options quickly across the entire field. But he cannot. That's no injury.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:14 PM ^
Even with this below average o-line Gardner would be a stud with these receivers.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:16 PM ^
agreed, and it's scary to think D Mac& Milton are not exactly polished passers as well.
This offense is in deep trouble with Charbonnet not 100% and a QB with poor football IQ.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:20 PM ^
DG almost beat OSU by himself on a broken foot in an Al Borges offense. If you gave Devin these weapons and this defense, we’d be in the playoffs.
October 6th, 2019 at 1:52 AM ^
The "Al Borges offense sucks" meme needs to stop. Borges offense averaged 31.8 ppg over 3 years. Under Harbaugh so far, including this year, we're averaging 32.2 ppg. Borges offense is essentially just as good as Harbaugh's.
October 6th, 2019 at 8:04 AM ^
Wait. Logic on the internet? Data? Facts?
Next thing you will be telling me is that the back-up quarterback isn't starting for a game related reason.
October 6th, 2019 at 8:20 AM ^
That's a misleading stat.
Keep in mind that in the first two years (when Hoke won 19 of his 31 games), Borges 1.) simplified his ridiculously complex offense scheme and 2.) essentially ran Rich Rod's zone read with some tweaks.
When Borges had his way in 2013, it was 7-6, with a near loss to Akron. Keep that in perspective.
October 6th, 2019 at 9:19 AM ^
The stat shows offensive yardage averages under Borges and under Harbaugh. Al Borges still was OC for those offenses whether you want him to be or not. You can pick anything apart if you start caveat-ing and "yeah-but-wait-ing" everything. The better response would have been to go down the stat-hole yourself with more actual data to support your points.
"This guy was born in '84."
You: "Well..."
/ scratches neckbeard, clasps hands together and stretches knuckles and fingers over keyboard /
"That's a misleading birthday.
His mother went into labor the night of December 31st and technically he was born in '83. You can't really qualify him as an '84 birthday because the doctors still scrubbed-in in' 83 and his own mother thought he was an '83-er. Keep that in perspective."
October 6th, 2019 at 12:01 PM ^
You’re missing the point.
Borges only had success because he was forced to run a system that was not his.
The minute he started to actually implement his system, things went south. What he wanted to do was not what worked. Even NFL players have admitted Borges had too complicated an O-scheme, and It turned our O-line into the worst imitation of the Keystone Cops ever seen.
He basically had a great first two years running Rich Rod’s spread. So you may as well have said that you miss Rich Rod.
Honestly, I cannot believe the shortsightedness of some of the people on this board. Did you forget that Hoke’s record DROPPED every year due in part to Borges’ schemes? Stats don’t mean crap if they don’t produce wins, people. Rich Rod’s offense had gaudy stats at times, so are you gonna start saying he’s better than Harbaugh too???
The only stat that matters in the end is the W next to the game score. Forget that and you have empty yardage.
October 7th, 2019 at 12:08 PM ^
Ah, back to where we started. Now you're telling me Harbaugh's offenses are better than RR's?
October 7th, 2019 at 9:17 PM ^
It can also be said that Hoke won with Carr's seniors and then lost with RR's recruits or dismal lack of recruits. Harbaugh then won with Hoke's seniors. Hoke is underrated. Rich Rod did not leave him a QB, just running backs and wide receivers. I have no clue as to how good is Borges I just know that he didn't recruit great QBs and RR didn't leave him a QB that could read defenses or call an audible.
October 6th, 2019 at 9:22 AM ^
Yup, and Harbaugh’s offenses are really nothing special. He’s had one top-25 year in fancystats, but other than that his offenses look slow, ineffective, bad in the clutch, bad from behind, can’t make a big play, and can’t exploit another team’s weaknesses. Sounds pretty Borges to me! “As good as Harbaugh’s” really ain’t sayin much. I was hoping to finally see something better this year.
October 6th, 2019 at 9:56 PM ^
Borges was also given the most electric offensive Michigan player since Desmond in Denard. Any Harbaugh offense would score 31 points a game with Denard.
Once Denard left, Borges had no clue.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:20 PM ^
One of Shea's biggest problems IMO is that he doesn't step up in the pocket, surveil the field and then make a quick decision to make a technically sound pass based on what he sees in front of him. He doesn't see the field, he makes bad decisions as a result. That could be down to incomplete understanding of the plays he's asked to run, as well as fear of being hit and lack of poise.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:57 PM ^
Yep, his bad decisions are made before the play even starts.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:22 PM ^
Devin Gardner is way better than this piece of crap we have now. The only Q.B. That Patterson is better than is O’Korn
October 5th, 2019 at 11:23 PM ^
Patterson isn’t half the man Gardner is.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:24 PM ^
Gardner is such a tragedy of Michigan sports. That dude was a fucking gladiator for this university and was constantly shit on by fans due to - largely - horrible coaching. Gardner with Urban wins a Heisman; Gardner at UM has douche fans complaining about how he should’ve been better...I will defend that guy forever...
October 5th, 2019 at 11:54 PM ^
Absolutely agree. Really was an elite talent and for all he went thru at Michigan he deserves nothing but respect. Almost beat osu single handedly and had some amazing games/moments.