wolverine1987

January 9th, 2011 at 2:31 PM ^

Glen Mason's Hot Wife is an ignorant hack who never contributed a thing to society, But since I don't know you, that would be entirely ignorant of me. And possibly wrong. Learn a bit about the principles of logic, fairness and maturity and perhaps that will sink in someday.

LumberJack

January 9th, 2011 at 2:38 PM ^

If you want to tell others to "learn a bit about the principles of logic," you shouldn't be defending religion.  Logic embraces everything religion does not: critical thinking, reason, etc.  Religion merely asks people to believe what they're told, regardless of the lack of evidence or proof (and, for the record, a book written over a thousand years ago is neither evidence nor proof).

Mannix

January 9th, 2011 at 2:50 PM ^

Logic embraces everything anti-religionists do not: critical thinking, reason, etc.  Anti-Religionists merely ask people to believe what they're told, regardless of the lack of evidence or proof (and, for the record, a guy disparaging book written over thousands of years ago is neither evidence nor proof).

(Just to help you out: It's "books" and it spans more than 2K years and has multiple authors;)

wolverine1987

January 9th, 2011 at 2:54 PM ^

responses. My comments above were entirely respectful without being either emotional or being denigrating to any group. Yet those above feel confident calling EVERY person in one particular group "batshit crazy", and when someone points out how incorrect that would be as applied to ANY group, the replies are about getting mad and being even more emotional and sensitive. The lack of self awareness and ignorance inherent in the argument is staggering. I haven't been to a church or religious gathering of any kind in years, but I do know immature uncritical adherence to a school of thought when I read it. A pity you don't.

skunk bear

January 9th, 2011 at 4:39 PM ^

I find it interesting that athiests think they have a corner on knowledge  and widom when their minds and hearts are utterly closed. Like yours.

That you don't have the decency to keep your ridiculous, offensive and prejudiced views to yourself, but rather feel the need to express them in an outrageous way, knowing it would offend people, suggests a pathology on your part.

I have generally liked your posts until now. But from now on, I'll keep these posts in mind when reading whatever else you write.

TheLastHarbaugh

January 9th, 2011 at 6:31 PM ^

You make a good point about people being religious bigots. That is certainly one way to troll, and it is in fact the way that this particular troll is inciting people on the board.

I for one love your strategy of confronting the troll about his or her attacks, and attempting to show him/her the faultiness of his/her reasoning.

I personally would have ignored the troll, rather than becomming offended by his/her's clearly vitrolic and over the top rhetoric (which was no doubt nothing more than the troll attempting to get a rise out of posters, and thusly, the troll crying for attention).

However, I trust that through your continued engagement with the troll, you will no doubt change his/her's mind, ways, and convert him/her into a productive member of the board.

Good luck in your endeavour, and I have full confidence in your success.

-TheLastProphet

marlon

January 9th, 2011 at 7:13 PM ^

If someone said they had faith in the existence of unicorns, their belief ought to be mocked, not respected (unless, of course, they could produce significant evidence that unicorns do exist).  Likewise, we should mock, not respect, the beliefs of people who have nothing to back up those beliefs other than their "faith" that what they believe is true.  Religious proponents have done a terrific job making society believe that religion occupies a special realm where one's religious beliefs deserve total and unquestioned respect merely because those beliefs can be called "religious".  This is utter nonsense.  One's religious beliefs merit just as much scrutiny as any other belief, and if you're offended because someone tells you that you have no basis for believing in your silly little god, that's your problem.  You're the one asserting god's existence, and, therefore, you bear the burden of proving what you believe is true.

Finally, the very idea that athiests are just as dogmatic in their "belief" is full of fail.  Athiests don't have a positive belief like religous people do.  What they "believe" is that there is no god because there is no credible evidence for the existence of god, the same way you likely don't believe in unicorns because there is no credible evidence for the existence of unicorns.  It is an immediately obvious sign you don't know what you're talking about if you assert (implicitly, or otherwise) that athiests' beliefs rely just as much on faith as those of religious people.  On the contrary, the athiest rejects faith entirely and demands real, significant evidence to justify something before they believe in it.

skunk bear

January 9th, 2011 at 8:11 PM ^

I don't have to prove anything, least of all to you. Atheists believe they know there is no God. They cannot prove it, yet they believe it.  So much for demanding evidence.

If all you believe is what can be proven you cannot be an atheist. Also, you must not know very much at all, because what has been "proven" is only a tiny fraction of what is. Also, your beliefs must change all the time, because what is "proven" is often disproven. So, one day you believe this, one day you believe that, the next day you believe something completely contrary.

Religious people often struggle with their faith. This is true because they are always seeking the truth.

Atheists do not so struggle, because they think they know it all. The hatred in your voice belies rationality. Your proposed ethic of mocking religiousity is arrogant in the extreme. And your analogy is childish.

Proselytize your hatred of God somewhere else.

skunk bear

January 9th, 2011 at 8:39 PM ^

If you read "marlon"'s post: "marlon" not only hates God, "marlon" hates the very idea of God.

 

To get back on topic: Jon Gruden. Ithink that they are going to try to hit a "home run" to save the Michigan brand.

 

BTW, you really think I'm unreasonable?