OT:Grinnell's Jack Taylor scores 138pts. Breaks NCAA record
Jack Taylor of Grinnell College scored 138 points against Faith Baptist College as he set the new all-time NCAA record for points scored in a game.
In case it wasn't clear, Grinnell College won 179-104. Taylor finished the game 52-of-108 from the field, 27-of-71 from the 3-point line and added seven free throws. All of this came in just a mere 35 minutes.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2012/11/20/3673938/jack-tayl…
Someone want to explain how its even posible to get 108 shots up? Im guessing he had zero assist.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:40 PM ^
I mean yeah that's amazing. But he shot 108 times and shot 71 threes. I have no idea how it's possible to get that many shots, but I'm not really sure it takes that much skill to go 52/108 to be honest.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:03 PM ^
48% shooting is pretty good in itself, but the fact that hemade 48% of his shots on 108 is amazing...and yes it does take that much skill to be 52/108 in a college basketball game.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:16 AM ^
Taylor averaged over three shots a minute. Faith Baptist Bible had a player shoot 34 of 44. Taylor's comment about him, "We definitely made it a focus to stop him."
November 21st, 2012 at 12:33 AM ^
I recall watching in horror as the 1990 Wolverines decide to run with LMU in the tourney. We were down 65-58 at half, scored 67 in the second half, and lost 149-125, I believe.
LMU averaged a shot every 4-5 seconds when they had the ball.
November 21st, 2012 at 1:32 AM ^
November 21st, 2012 at 2:28 PM ^
Yeah, Westhead. That's a fumble on my part.
Still remember Bo Kimble shooting his lefty free throw, Jeff Fryer raining threes, and Per Stumer killing us on the secondary break with jumpers at the top of the key and fills down the lane after we stopped the primary.
What a frigging nightmare that game was. Still can't believe our strategy was to run with the highest scoring team in college basketball.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:41 PM ^
November 20th, 2012 at 10:41 PM ^
Anything over 130 is just showboating.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:42 PM ^
That's nothing.
According to North Koreans, Kim Jong-il once scored 200 points in one game. And had a dunk leaping from half court.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:04 PM ^
I thought he put up 200 against MSU because I thought you said "couch burn."
November 20th, 2012 at 10:45 PM ^
November 20th, 2012 at 10:46 PM ^
I be like dang.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:46 PM ^
The dude took one shot every 19.4 seconds.
I am not celebrating this.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:48 PM ^
We presume the other team sometimes had the ball. So he took a shot every ~10 seconds that Grinelll had the ball.
November 21st, 2012 at 1:59 AM ^
I'm not sure I could even take a shot every 19.4 seconds, let alone make 40+% of those shots. How can people downplay this? Pretty impressive however you look at it.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:47 PM ^
Lost in the shuffle was David Larson of Faith Baptist, who scored 70 on 34-44 shooting.
Also: first post! YA!
November 20th, 2012 at 10:50 PM ^
they played with more than one ball..only explanantion.
November 21st, 2012 at 1:34 AM ^
So before the game and before halftime during the shoot around... they were counting those? That makes more sense.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:01 PM ^
"Coach Arseneault said recently that he worries when a player dwells too much on winning; he wants them to enjoy playing with abandon and piling up weird statistics."
Grinnell was a D3 doormat for years, so one year the coach called the team together before the season and said "guys, we're going to try something different and drastic and I'm going to let you decide what it is. Either we're going to slow the game down, or we're going to speed it up."
They voted to speed it up.
Here are his statistical goals for each game (taken from a book he wrote on the system he developed after that meeting):
- Make at least 150 trips up and down the court for the game;
- Grinnell takes at least 94 shots in the game;
- At least half of these shots are three-point attempts;
- Grinnell rebounds at least 33% of its missed shots;
- Grinnell forces the opponent into at least 32 turnovers.
#1 was hard to chart, statistically, so he replaced it with "Grinnell should attempt at least 25 more shots than its opponent."
They play 15 players; he divides them into three groups of five and there's a fresh group waiting at the scorer's table at each dead ball. I've seen them play--in D3, where there aren't any media timeouts, they've got the other team grabbing their shorts midway through the first half. ESPN showed one of their games a few years ago and the system wasn't effective at all--all the commercial stoppages let the other team recover.
Here's a short video he did explaining it all--a bit of googling will probably turn up much better material and maybe I'll look around later if anyone's interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub-i1uKVtXw
This probably all seems more than a little weird from the perspective of a B1G fan, but Grinnell's the Iowa equivalent of Reed or Oberlin--athletics aren't taken seriously, it's hard to get kids to commit the time to stay on the team for four years. Doing something unusual like this has helped him recruit and helped him generate some interest on campus in the sport. And it has the added benefit, at a school where everyone's a walk-on, of giving 12-15 minutes of playing time every night to everyone on his team.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:58 AM ^
The idea behind the no huddle spread offense is similar. It's basically impossible to simulate in practice, it's really easy to out-condition every team you play because they don't have the depth or the training to handle it, it creates a whole bunch of extra offense that's designed to slow the other team down, etc.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:07 PM ^
This would be a much better story if his team lost.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:08 PM ^
Can we get an 'every offensive possesion' ?
November 20th, 2012 at 11:11 PM ^
this guy sounds like a bit of a chucker.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:14 PM ^
He'll kill himself to one up this kid. On second thought, somebody tell Kobe Bryant about this.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:15 PM ^
"Yeah go ahead, shoot it whenever you want. But ONLY you Jack! Nobody else!" - Coach
November 20th, 2012 at 11:17 PM ^
Congrats? I guess it is a cool stat, and shooting 48% is impressive, but if you leave a decent college kid open (which I have to assume happened most of the time here), he should be able to hit a good number of those shots.
Though, my Faith Baptist College 76-point line hit, so good for me.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:50 PM ^
November 20th, 2012 at 11:21 PM ^
I want to see Stauskas in this type of system...
November 20th, 2012 at 11:28 PM ^
November 20th, 2012 at 11:34 PM ^
Whats really impressive is a player on the opposite team scored 70 points without making a three.
November 21st, 2012 at 12:44 AM ^
Probably because Grinnell's players are taught that if they can't force a turnover they should go ahead and give up a layup, trading two for three. They kamikaze press, and if you beat it they try to make sure you only get a layup and not a three.
The only thing different about this game, compared to the usual Grinnell game, is (1) they decided to go for the record and let one guy take most of the shots instead of spreading it across 15 or 17 players like they usually do and (2) the other team wasn't as good as most of their opposition. Take a look at the scores here:
http://d3hoops.com/teams/Grinnell/men/2008-09/index
Teams in their own conference have, over time, figured out how to slow things down and at least keep the scores in the 90-110 range.
November 21st, 2012 at 12:31 AM ^
It would be fatiguing just shooting that many shots.
November 21st, 2012 at 1:39 AM ^
All I did was read this and I think my pecs are going to hurt tomorrow.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:03 AM ^
Immediately after the game on GrinnellGoBlog, complaining and insane speculation was to be had:
Jack Taylor is going pro today, right now this second!
We're top 5? No way, no one can beat us! We're #1!
We're top 5? No way, we gots no defenses! We're #200!
We won! WOOOOO
We won! But not by enough BOOOO
November 21st, 2012 at 8:17 AM ^
Fascinating achievement really. Taylor was 77% of Grinnell's offense, accounting for basically 4 out of every 5 shots attempted.
The rest of the team was 16-28 (57.1%), 3-9 on thre-pointers and 6-6 on free throws. Someone above asked about assists - Grinnell amassed 22 assists, and as you might guess, none are Taylor's.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:10 AM ^
Their opponent has 330 students enrolled. It is a theology school as well... Might as well play the local HS Junior Varsity team...
November 21st, 2012 at 9:15 AM ^
That was just awful to watch. More defense is played on court 2 at the CCRB and that's saying something.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:17 AM ^
November 21st, 2012 at 9:35 AM ^
First off im not that impressed, 108 shots and zero assist. Thats horrible defense i promise you no man would ever score that much on me or any team i played on. Yes he had to make shots so thats some what impressive, but any solid hoop player could do the same with that bad of a defense.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:49 AM ^
If anyone's curious what a more typical Grinnell game looks like, here's some video. I wish I could find a game where they're playing a better opponent (this team's maybe a little better than Faith Baptist but they aren't D3-quality), but most of the videos on youtube are offense-only highlights and don't really give a feel for what it's like. This one shows how kamikaze their defense is--it's turnover or bust.
They do this for 40 minutes a game, every game, and remember there are no media timeouts, just the ones called by the teams.
You'll notice that whenever the other team scores there's always someone there to get the ball from the net to start the offense. They practice taking the ball from the net, chest high, so they can make the inbounds pass as quickly as possible.
"OK, let's work on our defense. We'll start with the take-the-ball-from-the-basket-after-we-give-up-a-layup drill."
They play William Penn on Sunday, a top-25 NAIA II school and probably the best team they'll play in the regular season. We'll see how that goes.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:43 PM ^
They lost that game to now 14-0 William Penn 131-116. Since then they've played two games in their own conference and won 113-76 and 134-97.
It's weird, but somehow it works.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:51 AM ^
Grinnel is notorious for their "gimmick offense," and the competition wasn't much. It's a great achievement, but it shouldn't be seen as an "NCAA record." There are probably at least 5 high school teams in any major city that could beat either of these teams.
I followed the link and then followed another one to a video replay. It really does remind me of Michigan Class B or C HS ball. 138 points is a nice night anywhere, though.
Congrats to Jack Taylor, but I'm not going to attach a lot of meaning to his "NCAA record."
November 21st, 2012 at 11:20 AM ^
November 21st, 2012 at 10:01 AM ^
They call it hardwood hockey. I watched them play Drake University (D1 in basketball) in Des Moines a number of years ago. They rotate 5 guys every whistle. They full court press the entire game, if they can't force a turnover in the press, they concede a layup and go. The coach's goal is a shot every 10 seconds. They are the epitome of chuckers. It is crazy to watch.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:46 AM ^
That's why I wish I had video against a better opponent. They play in a mediocre D3 conference (Lake Forest, St. Norbert), sort of a mid-minor I guess you could call it, but it's a lot better competition than these NCCAA schools. It's worth seeing how this works, and doesn't work, against better players who have seen it before.
And while the players may not be very good (it's Grinnell, after all), it's not just rec ball. It's organized, systematized chaos.