OT: World has gone insane. Every ESPN commentator agrees Patriots legacy tainted.
I am watching the early ESPN coverage and just saw Tom Jackson, Keyshawn Johnson, Chris Carter, Steve Young, Ray Lewis (cough, cough) ALL agree that the Patriots legacy of greatness, and specifically Belicheck and Brady, are tainted by spygate and deflategate, no matter what happens today.
I have no words. Deflate gate is not nothing, it is less than nothing. If deflate gate takes away anything, then every baseball team that ever lived that had a pitcher get caught scuffing the ball, or throwing a spitter, or corking a bat, is forever tainted by that legacy as well. Even though throwing a spitter is WAY more of an advantage than 2 lbs less in a football.
Like it or not, sports have a slightly different moral code than life itself--perhaps that's because ultimately what team wins a game is entertainment and not life, I don't know. But in any case, we expect people will try to push the rules, and if you get caught you get punished. But then, you move on. Moralizing over this is completely and utterly ludicrous.
February 1st, 2015 at 2:45 PM ^
Too late.
Actually, I think TMZ has more credibility now.
More like ESPN has turned into the Freep. The love child of Stephen A Smith + Skip Bayless = Drew Sharp.
February 1st, 2015 at 3:01 PM ^
Ever since they hired Skip Bayless.
February 1st, 2015 at 2:00 PM ^
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February 1st, 2015 at 2:12 PM ^
Well, it's a good thing their stupid opinions don't take away trophies.
February 1st, 2015 at 2:14 PM ^
Their legacy won't be tainted after they win by three TDs tonight with 13.5 psi balls.
February 1st, 2015 at 2:29 PM ^
I hope Brady calls for one of the game balls when they are presenting the MVP trophy to him and he pulls out a pressure gauge and shows it at 13 psi for the whole world to see.
That would be epic.
February 1st, 2015 at 2:30 PM ^
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February 1st, 2015 at 2:40 PM ^
It's absolutely tainted, and Brady's reputation will never recover, nor should it. This was intentional, pre-meditated, unambiguous cheating. It is not even vaguely the same thing as scuffing baseballs, and it's incomprensible to me that anyone would even think that analogy would pass the laugh test.
They let the officials inspect the balls, then after they passed inspection, altered them to be outside the rules. There is no excuse or justification for calling that anything than what it is, which is cheating. It's not the same thing as altering the ball by scuffing it or inflating it to a bit below regulation BEFORE letting the officials inspect it to see what you can get away with. This is a deliberate, calculated effort to break the rules whilst deceiving the officals.
I grew up rooting for Pete Rose. When he got caught gambling on baseball, I was sad, but I didn't bury my head in the sand and make excuses for him or point to all the worse things other players and managers had done. I sucked it up and accepted that he had a serious flaw that made him less worthy of my adulation than he had been. The contortions New England and Michigan fans are going through to avoid acknowledging a clear, unambiguous truth about Tom Brady are pretty sad IMHO.
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February 1st, 2015 at 5:21 PM ^
It's irrelevent whether it changed the game or not. It could even be proven to have somehow helped the Colts and it wouldn't matter. I'm befuddled as to why or how you could even think that was in any way even tangentially relevent.
He cheated. On purpose. That's what's relevent.
Andi it is quite reasonable to say this casts a pall on his entire career and the Patriots entire run because it raises serious questions about what we don't know. The spygate incident was serious enough that the Patriots lost a first round pick. That's serious. That's a big deal. And many presumably impartial people who make their living in and around professional football believe that the punishment would have been worse than that if Kraft wasn't good friends with the commissioner.
Now you have another cheating incident, which shows planning and forethought and a willingness to blatantly deceive officials and cheat in order to gain what was presumably not even that huge of an advantage.
So it's entirely reasonable-- in fact, I would say logical and normal-- to wonder how many other times the Patriots organization has willfully cheated and just not been caught. It could be zero, or it could be more than zero. But that suspicion will always cloud how they are perceived, and it *should* cloud how they are perceived. There's a price for the actions we take, and when you choose to cheat or lie and get caught, not once but twice, that price is that reasonable people will have doubts about your integrity even in instances in which there is no specific evidence of wrongdoing.
February 1st, 2015 at 3:19 PM ^
How the hell can you prove "intent"? Because Spygate? That's ludicrous logic.
How in the hell is this not the very definition of ambiguous? There are several plausible reasons for slightly under inflated balls, and I'm sorry but when basic physics is behind you, it's going to be nigh impossible to prove intent without any certainty. Which by definition makes this situation, ambiguous.
The balls were barely underinflated...that's about the only basic fact we know. All else is baseless speculation and concluding by ignorant people who don't like the Pats.
I hope the Pats win just to spite those that think this is in any way a big deal.
February 1st, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^
There is exactly one plausible reason for why the balls were correctly inflated when inspected by the officials, videotaped beingt taken from the room by the equipment manager for a period of time, then all underflated by the same amount, by an amount that was noticable enough that an opposing player who intercepted the ball immediately brought it to the officals attention: they were intentionally underinflated.
There isn't any other plausible explanation.
And I have no idea what physics has to do with it. I certainly hope you're not referring to the absurd theory that floated around for about 10 mintues that somehow the temperature had somethingt to do with it, because that was debunked immediately, both because we have hundreds or even thousands of games which have been played in cold whether in which this didn't happen, but even more importantly becuase it didn't happen to any of the balls the Colts were using.
But by all means, please enlighten me by listing some of the other plausible explanations; I will gracefully issue an apology if you can provide a single one.
February 1st, 2015 at 3:38 PM ^
This is a perfect example of the idiocy that is rampant in the media and butthurt former players whiner club. Wow.
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February 1st, 2015 at 2:49 PM ^
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February 1st, 2015 at 4:59 PM ^
Did you read who wrote that report? It was Ian Rappaport and we all now from his Harbaugh reporting how accurate he is.
Also Mike Florio already quoted an NFL source who said Rappaport is flat out wrong.
February 1st, 2015 at 2:52 PM ^
I have stopped paying attention to ESPN for the most part. Self righteous announcers don't even rate in my book. The lack of credibility during Michigan's coaching search, sealed it for me.
I think most of the guys on that ESPN panel are just jealous...pure and simple.
GO PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 1st, 2015 at 2:52 PM ^
I have stopped paying attention to ESPN for the most part. Self righteous announcers don't even rate in my book. The lack of credibility during Michigan's coaching search, sealed it for me.
I think most of the guys on that ESPN panel are just jealous...pure and simple.
GO PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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February 1st, 2015 at 5:00 PM ^
That is a pitiful argument. That's likely blaming a cop for someone robbing a bank.
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February 1st, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^
I'm surprised that these NFL apologists aren't trying to downplay it. They either really hate the Pats or they (gasp) actually have conviction and really believe it....nah
February 1st, 2015 at 5:29 PM ^
I've seen zero evidence that Brady or Belicheck even had anything to do with this. This IS America right? Innocent until proven guilty?
I haven't heard that phrase once from anyone in the news reporting on this. Such a quick rush to judgement. Some people just sit back and wait for people to appear to fall so they can dump all over them to feel better about themselves.
Zero evidence that either of those 2 had anything to do with this.
February 1st, 2015 at 9:01 PM ^
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February 1st, 2015 at 5:34 PM ^
They're repeat offenders and what we know is probably the tip of the iceberg. Tainted they are, and tainted they should be.
If we learned Ohio had been illegally filming our coaches or deflating footballs in games past, how many of you would be rationalizing that away?
February 1st, 2015 at 9:10 PM ^
February 1st, 2015 at 9:27 PM ^
And you're a troll.
February 1st, 2015 at 6:21 PM ^
What about all of the Steroids those dumb-ass ex players turned "commentators" took to improve their performance...?
Was that not cheating?
F em.
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