Just work Don Kelly into the rotation so Brandon Inge can continue his phenoenal performance at third, and at the plate.
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Just work Don Kelly into the rotation so Brandon Inge can continue his phenoenal performance at third, and at the plate.
trade Verlander to the Yankees for a bucket of balls?
I was thinking trade Inge for a roll of toilet paper.
I always thought Inge would be a great utility guy for the Yankees, but as an everyday player he's not very good.
The words "Inge" and "great" never belong in the same sentence. Not even if followed by "Single A bench player".
.....it would need to be single ply. I don't think very many teams would give up the premium stuff.
Whoever gets Inge in this deal gets shafted.
We should be looking at Aramis for 3B. Bring power and average along with above average defense to the black hole that has been the 3 bag this year. As far as pitching it might be worth giving Turner a shot. If we go after a bat im not sure how willing we would be to spend on pitching but kuroda would be a decent stop gap.
I think Ramirez could be a nice pickup, but are the Cubs looking for offers? And if so, who do we give up in return? And I would be surprised if we part ways with Turner. I think the only way that happens is if we go after Jimenez. Dombrowski says he sees Turner as a future No. 1 starter. Maybe that was DD's way of saying "Hey, we've got this kid and we love him. We're going to want someone big in return for him," but I don't think we give him up. I also don't think he sees the majors this year. He threw about 115 innings all of last year and he's already up to 105 this year.
Jim Hendry (Cubs GM) was quoted earlier that the Cubs weren't going to firesale. However, they will continue to make the team better. So with Aramis getting a bit older, the team definitely in a rebuilding mode, and an option for Aramis' last year coming up I could see the Cubs parting with him. As a Cubs fan who loves Aramis, I'd be upset if he were dealt, but if we could get some prospects in return I could deal with it. You sure you don't want Soriano too?
Ramirez's agent told the Tribune that Rami won't waive his no trade clause. If he doesn't allow a trade, to the Tigers or anyone, he has a $2M buyout next year instead of the $16M he's owed. It's not a matter of If, but When he'll be gone. Unfortunately the rebuilding and cost cutting will mean seeing A.R. leave and not Soriano.
Excuse me while I jab a pointy object into my eyeballs
the washburn trade, at the time made a lot of sense. had our medical team done thier job, it would have been a better deal on our end. he was leading the AL in ERA and dominating the hitters while doing so. tough break for us his injuries started to catch up to him once he got to detroit.
Was it just bad luck that both deals they made that season turned out to be terrible? Washburn and Huff did nothing for us that season.
Pick up some prospects at 3rd and the OF and give 'em a chance.
Otherwise go the other direction and get Wright and the best LF available.
What I don't want to see is the Tigers pick up stop-gap players. It is a waste of everything you give up unless they make the difference now and how likely is that?
Go for quality or youth.
Why left field? Aside from the fact that Dombrowski made no mention of looking to improve our outfield, why do you think we need a left fielder? If Maggs can stay healthy the rest of the year, I think he solidifies RF for us, which leaves Boesch with left field, and then we have Dirks/Wells/Raburn to fill in as needed (or to platoon if Jackson's wrist turns into something a problem). I don't think outfield is really a position of need right now.
Ubaldo......who cares if that makes 5 righties in the rotation, he's getting his velocity and stuff back, and turns an under achieving rotation into a strength. Besides, you dont need all those arms down in the minors, that's what they're there for, move em.
but apparently his velocity is down almost 2 mph from last season.
Is a new manager an acceptable answer?
Unfortunately I think you'll have to wait until the offseason for that
The Tigers are the only team in the major leagues with a winning record that has had more runs scored against it than it has scored. That would seem to suggest that Leyland is doing a pretty good job.
Blasphemy is a blast for me.
Only if he can go into the rotation or play third and hit for power.
If that happens I will officially have lost all hope in our front office.
Why would you lose all hope in the front office? He's a vet with a proven track record of success and his ERA is better than Penny, Scherzer, Porcello, and one time starter Phil Coke to name a few.
Also, in his 7 losses these are the run totals, produced by his offense...
0, 0, 1, 1, 3, 2, 1... it's tough to win games when your team isn't scoring runs...
Honestly if we could dump Lowe on anyone it would be great if we got something back. However unless you're giving up Austin Jackson and/or eating the entire salary there's no way I see the value in trading him to the TIgers.
Is Lowe worth the $15 million? The Braves have pitching up the you-know-what. I suspect Lowe is not a must in their plans for a reason....
If there is any realistic/reasonable way to get that kid, he is absolutely the number 1 option, not only for this year but long-term. It's kinda hard to see that happening though, given that other teams (including the Yankees) are interested in him, and Colorado doesn't want to move him.
I would take any starting pitcher who we have reason to believe will be better than scherzer and porcello. That is the number one priority. 3B and 2B are issues, but our lineup is above-average, and a couple holes in it are not the worst thing in the world. Actually, my preference there would be just to play kelly and santiago, who give us a boost defensively, and probably aren't any worse offensively right now than guillen and raburn.
Also we should trade Inge to the Russian international league for a rosin bag, even though he's a nice guy.
Dump Rayburn and Inge. Addition by subtraction...
i think the price is going to be too high for a player like ubaldo...the most realistic thing i can expect is either guthrie or a dempster-type veteran starter
I've also heard that Carlos Beltran is a possibility as well.
Jacob Turner is ranked the #13 prospect in all of baseball by Keith Law right now. No way Tigers trade him unless its like a Halladay type of player. They wont part with Turner of Ubaldo IMO. Turners only in AA and could be in AAA or playin for the Tigers later this season.
The Tigers need back end rotation pitching bad and obviously to improve the offense, especially over Inge/Raburns bats. Im not sure if there are really any difference makers out there but a couple of .250 hitters could probably make a big difference especially with the studs the Tigers already have. The offense has been great considering they basically only play 6 innings a game with that horrible 7-8-9 (not including Avila when hes down there).
I think Id like to see Ubaldo but depends on the price. I hope they shy away from Reyes but the Mets are probably going to hold onto him. Carlos Beltran would be nice. Too bad he doesnt play 2B/3B.
Hopefully you were joking, but just in case: I watched him pitch for the red sox against tampa bay last friday. He was awful.
Yup, joking. When I hear that it would be foolish to give up Turner this year or Porcello last year, I remember similar things said about Miller when he was a rookie. That one worked out pretty well for the Tigers.
I don't see anybody that is a) worth a top tier prospect, and b) a surefire upgrade over our #5 starter. With the washburn experience in mind, i'm hoping they don't pull the trigger, unless one of those guys can be had foe cash alone (lowe, in theory, but nyy and bos want him too).
At third on the other hand, I'd be ready trade anyone except rurner and castellano (sp?) (and maybe danry ____) for certain, average production and non-hideyokids field.
Add a SP - Like Derek Lowe
Replace Inge/Raburn by any means necessary with a serviceable 3B.
The Tigers have been pretty upfront about Turner not seeing the majors this season. They are really trying to limit his innings, and pitches as he gets stretched out and turned into a professional pitcher.
That being said, I think the Tigers would ideally want Wandy since he is a good left hander. The only thing I hope the Tigers do not do is go over spend for someone like Derek Lowe (he is too old and doesn't have any upside) what you see is what you get.
As for 3B I wouldn't mind seeing the Tigers trade for a SS (Steven Drew or long long shot Reyes) and move Jhonny Peralta back to 3B since the market for a 3B is very slim right now.
To me this makes sense, but Peralta pouted when he was moved to third last year, and I don't know if you risk losing him.
Understandable, but I think if some of the guys (not the management or coach) go to him and convince him that "if we get a top SS and you go to 3B we are a top team in the division" I think he might go. Last year they moved him to 3B to play Santiago, which was an insult to Peralta's talent.
I like the idea of Kuroda, he's pitching fairly well and his contract expires this year. I know there's sort of a starting pitching hole, but I'd rather get a bat. The top and bottom of the lineup are in seriously bad shape. Even I can't defend Inge this year.
I don't really know if you can classify the tigers as needing a bat that badly. And to say the top and bottom of the order is in seriously bad shape is ridiculous. Last I checked, in most offensive categories, we are towards the top of the American league
We're in the top third of the AL largely thanks to the middle guys - Cabrera, Martinez, Peralta, Avila, and sometimes Boesch. The top and bottom is a near-disaster. Raburn's not hitting, Inge isn't hitting, Jackson isn't hitting, and if you want to depend on Dirks and/or Wells to deliver when needed, I think we'll be on the outside looking in come October. Aramis Ramirez would be a worthwhile addition.
How many teams do you know that have 6 solid (and by solid, I mean hovering somewhere around .300) hitters in their lineup?
The Tigers do have some great talent on offense the problem however is the disparity between say Cabrera/Martinez and Inge/Raburn. Inge, Raburn, and maybe even say Jackson have played so poorly that its like havin 2-3 pitchers in your lineup. If the Tigers could upgrade them with even a .250 hitter it would be a huge upgrade.
Detroits lucky to be fighting the Indians and White Sox for first. They could be going against NYY/Bos or Tex/LAA.
If the discussion is who "should" the Tigers pick up, then I think the answer is Anibal Sanchez. However, I have yet to hear his name tossed out there in relation to Detroit.
Everytime this topic comes up on sports radio, someone always says something like, "Whatever they do, they can't have another Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz trade. Smoltz is a Hall of Famer and Alexander was out of the majors three years later." They always miss the point. Alexander was never intended to be a long-term guy. He was intended to get the Tigers into the postseason in 1987, and he did, going 9-0 down the stretch. Making the playoffs is very, very difficult, and if you have the chance you have to strike. (And it's not like Smoltz single-handedly would have kept the Tigers afloat during their lost decade. He probably would have bolted as a free agent first chance he got.)
People are using this argument against Derek Lowe now. If he can put them over the top, they've got to try. Prospects are hit or miss. A playoff opportunity won't be there every year. Minnesota's not going to start out in last place every season. Fans are too gunshy. Standing pat with all your prospects and never rolling the dice can turn you into the Pirates.
Ubaldo is far from a legit ace. He has potential, but outside of the first 2.5 months of last season his numbers dont suggest that he is an ace. HIs walk rates are very alarming.
That is a bit much, especially considering how good a hitter Montero is and the ridiculous upside Banuelos has. Guys who were much safer have gone for less. Montero won't get traded this year unless someone really surprising hits the market. Ubaldo might be worth Banuelos, Betances, and a few mid level prospect.
If we get Ubaldo then there is no chance for Turner to be a Tiger in that future rotation you have.
A left-handed starting pitcher?
His name is Wandy?
- In my head it doesn't rhyme with Randy, but the first syllable is as in magic wand...am I right on this?
and as an astros fan (yes, we exist), I hope it happens. astros need to keep blowing things up before actually rebuilding.
Would be the guy they should key on, a number two starter and a lefty behind Verlander who currently pitches in a definite hitters park who would benefit greatly from pitching at Comerica. Plus, his asking price is likely low enough from Houston so as to not require Tigers to give up Turner and Wandy is 32 so 3-4 more years left at least.
Too bad they gave up Jurrjens. That guy has been a beast this year for the braves
Was great for the Braves in 2009, injury plagued 2010, stud again in 2011.....Would be a nice 2nd starter behind Verlander for sure....
Detroit should go after Kuroda, but it sounds like he's not willing to waive his no-trade clause to an East Coast team.
Inge is a total abomination and needs to be replaced ASAP. Wright's back issues = no thanks for what we'd have to give up to get him. I'd love to get Aramis Ramirez, who is already on fire and has been a second half player his entire career. Don't see that happening though. It's really too bad Peralta doesn't like playing third, because there are some solid SS options available that could help.
Houston is asking way too much for Rodriguez. If their asking price fell, he'd be a decent option.
Jimenez is a pipe dream. New York can afford to trade away top prospects to get guys like him because their resources are so vast. If he goes anywhere, it would likely be to New York.
The Tigers aren't in a horrible position right now. They need to keep Turner and Castellanos though. I feel like anybody else should be expendable because the division is there for the taking....not to mention that they could make a playoff run with another pitching piece + another great second half from Scherzer.
What do you guys think about getting a package deal of Guthrie and Reynolds from the O's? Sure Reynolds strikes out a ton, but his power could be quite valuable to the Tigers, plus you add to the fact that Guthrie could give you solid innings and the back end of the rotation. Maybe not feasible but just a thought.
Please not Ubaldo Jimenez, he had a Cinderella 1st first last year and has been back to normal ever since. I wouldn't give up the farm for him. I like Jeremy Guthrie though. He always put good numbers on a bad team and in a hitter's ballpark. Plus you could probably get him for prospects like Adam Wilk or Duane Below.
Exactly my thoughts. Inge and Raburn are actually pretty cheap to DFA, evven though both are signed for two years.
Kind of chump change, compared to average baseball salaires.
Magglio will end up with reasonable statitstics, but the Tigers would hae been better off not signing him to an extension and letting Dirks, Wells, Boesch, Jackson (and even Raburn) fight among themselves for the 3 starter/resere roles.
Inge is really the major culprit I would get rid of. I have liked his defense, but he is no longer outstanding at defense; he's making Raburnesque errors. He's never been a hitter, but he's really struggling and sticking ot his own counsel.
I don't think Don Kelley should be a starter, but at least he knows his role - talented defender who is scrappy in his at bats. I'll bet he can bunt and do all the little things th at Babe Inge has never felt necessary for him to do.
What I am sick of is this same conversation for the past 6 years, and where has it gotten us? We never make the big move bc we are too affraid to part with prospects, therefore we end up not good enough to even make the playoffs ('06 notwithstanding). They have to either buy or sell, decide, does this team with this core have a legit shot at a title, not playoffs, but title. If yes, then sell Turner (please spare me the 'remember Doyle Alexander' bit). If no, then sell the most marketable pieces of the core and start new (the latter probably means JL and DD are out). If buyers, make it big, no more mid-level busts