mesmerism! presidential assassinations! circuses on fire!
offseason sucks and is very boring
That time of the week. Did we even have one last week? I was too busy going America all over everybody.
Anyway there's plenty of actual football talk elsewhere, from the Pac12 wussing out to the PSU fallout, I've really liked the recent either/or questions on the board, so here's some potential discussion topics for this summer Friday:
1. Mustang or Camaro? (Or Challenger for you Mopar folks. Open ended - classics, new, etc)
2. Strawberry or Grape on your PB&J?
3. Follow up to 2: Chunky or smooth PB?
4. SNL Halcyon 1 or 2? (Original cast, Belushi, Akroyd, Chevy, etc vs. Sandler, Rock, Farley, etc)
5. Most overrated movie of the last 20 years?
Happy Friday everyone. And don't forget we're only Days from the start of the season
In light of Seth's formal declaration that off-season OT rules are now in effect, let us all take a moment to celebrate . . . and POSBANG!
Fire away, people! The points don't cumulate but a Friday morning posbang still feels oh so good. In the words of Clark Griswold, "bend over and I'll show you!"
(For newer members that are unfamiliar with the posbang, please see the following:
It's a slow day and these next couple of weeks are going to be huge for the Tigers, so I thought I would pose a question to get some discussion going: with the Tigers sitting at 59-52 and 3 games ahead of the second-place Indians, are you concerned at all by their -7 run differential?
If you're interested in my opinion, here it is: I'm not concerned. If you look at their season overall, they've been on the receiving end of some pretty lopsided blowouts, including a span of 3 games against the Mets and Giants where they were outscored by 29 runs (in 3 games!). Thankfully, they haven't made a trend of doing that, and with the acquisition of Fister we should hopefully have some more consistency in our starting rotation. I'd like to hear some other opinions though; what do the rest of you think?
So with the MLB trade deadline just 13 days away and holes to fill on the Tigers' roster, who do you think they will/should pursue, and who do you think they will/should give up in return? According to Dombrowski, the top priority right now is SP and maybe 3B. Some of the names I've heard circulating around for SP have been Ubaldo Jimenez, Hiroki Kuroda, Wandy Rodriguez, Derek Lowe, and Jeremy Guthrie. I've also heard David Wright's name mentioned for 3B a few times, but I don't think he is a realistic (or wise) move at this point. Another rumor I've heard about is a possible package deal for Rodriguez and IF Jeff Keppinger.
Overall, the trade market seems pretty thin right now, but out of the pitchers mentioned above, I'd rank them in this order: Jimenez, Rodriguez, Kuroda (only for 1 year), Guthrie, Lowe (please no). I think Kuroda would probably be the best short-term solution, but at 36 I don't think it really makes sense to try to sign him to anything more than 1 year. I think Rodriguez or Jimenez would probably be the best options for more than 1 year, but it's likely that neither one will come easily, or inexpensively. Also, there have been mixed reports about Houston's willingness to deal, so I don't know how feasible that would be in the first place.
As far as who we should give up in return, that is hard to say. It doesn't really make any sense to give up anybody in our current rotation, but I would hate to see any of our promising young arms go. Apparently though, the Mud Hens pitched Furbush in relief last night because, as coach Phil Nevin put it, the Tigers told him to play him for one inning. Also, Furbush's scheduled start for tomorrow has been nixed and Fu Te Ni will be pitching in his place. That could mean nothing, but it also could have been a chance for the scouts in attendance to get another look at him.
It's tough to say, but I think we definitely need to make some move to bolster our rotation if we want to finish the second half above .500 for the first time in a decade. And it would be nice to do something to improve the black hole of production that is third base for us.
Alright, so I know not everyone here is a Tigers fan, and if you're not, feel free to ignore this thread or offer your opinion on your favorite baseball team. But what do you all think of the Tigers' chances at reaching the postseason? Personally, I have no idea. They have been so inconsistent this season that it's hard to say. When they've been good, they've been very good, but when they've been bad, they've been very bad. I'm just looking for opinions and some discussion because I'm bored at work and I'm pissed at the Tigers right now.
Personally, I think our offense is fine and our bullpen has started to come around lately (except for Schlereth, I don't know why he's not in Toledo, or even Erie right now), our starting pitching has started coming down to earth over the past month, but I don't think Scherzer is as bad as he's been pitching lately (he's also not as good as his 9 wins might indicate), and I think each of our starters has the ability to give our offense a chance to win every time out. I think our biggest deficiancy right now is on defense. I just don't see how the coaching staff expects to succeed when you're playing Kelly and Raburn on the infield (or anywhere on the field, for that matter). I've heard some people say they would love to get David Wright for third, but is he really worth it?
I think the Tigers are in an awkward position as an organization. They've tried to put themselves in a position to win now by adding cornerstone-type players (Cabrera and Martinez, to go with Verlander), and that's come at the expense of their farm system. But I think you would expect that from a team trying to win now. You do what you can to make your big league team as good as possible to try to give yourself the best chance to win. The only problem is, we're not good enough to win a World Series, or even get there. I think we can win the division, but that's more a testament to the crappiness of the division than the skill of the team. So we've got a big league team with holes and a farm system that is seriously lacking depth, and that seems like a recipe for disaster. But what do you do? Do you try to rebuild the farm system and focus on the future? You can, but then I'm assuming guys like Cabrera and Martinez won't have the patience for that process. I think Verlander would since he's been with the Tigers from day 1, but I wouldn't blame him if he didn't. Who doesn't want to win now? So if we don't want to part ways with our big-ticket items, how do we get an elite roster? Do we have the payroll to grab someone like David Wright? I don't think so. We're pretty much maxed out already. So you try a trade. But who are we going to trade? We don't really have much depth anywhere, except for our minor league starting pitchers. But those guys are really the only minor leaguers we have who have some potential. It seems pretty dreary to me. What do the rest of you think?