OT: What is the most prestigious degree/program at the University of Michigan?

Submitted by IAMNOTMAIZEN on September 25th, 2022 at 12:20 PM

I guess what I mean by this is what is the one department at Michigan that has the best reputation in the country/world?

 

For example, Michigan’s engineering department is considered a top. 10 program in the country but its Mechanical Engineering program has a history that few others in the world besides maybe MIT and Caltech have due to the proximity the school has had to the automotive industry and the sheer amount of famous mechanical engineers the program had produced produced in the early 20th century.

 

I guess it’s a two pronged question, what is the most reputable bachelors program and most reputable graduate program?

MGoGrendel

September 25th, 2022 at 4:44 PM ^

I wanted to go to MSU to be with friends - my dad wouldn’t pay for the application fee.  “You’re going to Michigan or Harvard”.  Thanks dad!

While I got a BSME, I think Michigan ECON degree is more prestigious.  A lot of M people are making economics recommendations (guessing some are being ignored!)

turtleboy

September 25th, 2022 at 1:57 PM ^

Hey, we're sawdust bros! Similar path, carpentry job as a teenager was paying too good to justify finishing school, but after 2008 I got behind a computer and transitioned into point cloud data. Been paying into a matching roth IRA since before I was old enough to drink. Something to be said for the skilled trades. 

mi casa es blue casa

September 26th, 2022 at 11:53 AM ^

Were you a Construction Management major by chance?  Took the same path.  OCC —> EMU.  Squeaked out a CM degree in a hair under 12 years lol.  
 

Wouldn’t have done anything different though.  Framing houses and being a tin knocker full time for each of those 12 years prepared me more for my current job than any piece of paper ever could.  

Blake Forum

September 25th, 2022 at 12:25 PM ^

The MFA in creative writing is one of the best in the world. Perennially considered number two by most people, after only Iowa. Not sure if any other Michigan program is consistently that high, though I'm sure some are in the conversation. Next week's game is the battle for writerly bragging rights

Blake Forum

September 25th, 2022 at 12:56 PM ^

Ultimately it comes down to building a reputation within the literary and publishing communities for being a supportive and constructively challenging place to study, which becomes mutually reinforcing over time as you attract better and better students who then go on to become accomplished writers. A big factor for Michigan is that they have exceptional resources (thanks in large part to the Zell family) which allows the program to offer more or less unrivaled support for faculty and students and programming

In any case, objectively measuring artistic achievement vis-a-vis an academic program is indeed hard, but we all know the proof is in the pudding in the case of, say, NYU Film School and its alumni. Iowa remains the historic leader in this regard, but they had a big head start. Michigan is up there in more recent decades

Beat Rutgerland

September 26th, 2022 at 4:00 PM ^

How many people get their books published coming out of there, how famous is the faculty, how many folks do you place in tenure track jobs in 5 years, how good is the funding, that kind of thing.

 

M is indeed a very good program, but it's Iowa, a huge gap, then everybody else. The Iowa writer's workshop is unique, both because Vonnegaut put his stamp on the program, and because people who go there get ridiculous opportunities. Agents show up there to see if they can get people signed to book deals early, i.e. not typical MFA stuff.

Amaizing Blue

September 25th, 2022 at 12:30 PM ^

NOT Education.  Says this lifetime educator and Class of 1986 grad.  You could make a case that UM is no better than 5th in the state in this area.  MSU, EMU, CMU, and WMU probably surpass UM.  Damn it.  MSU is the gold standard in my field, sadly.

jmblue

September 25th, 2022 at 12:47 PM ^

And you know for a fact that the School of Ed is unchanged in prestige today, 36 years after your graduation?

I know a couple of SoE grads (from this century) who seemed to have no problem getting hired at reputable school districts.  Are they flukes, and the average SoE grad is getting passed over for jobs in favor of people from Western and such?

FrankX

September 25th, 2022 at 1:02 PM ^

Your approach seems off in terms of tone and logic.  Given, it is a message board on the internet.  However,  "lifetime educator" is sufficient credibility for me.  It also synchs with what I already believed, so potential bias, but family of educators have that opinion also.  

Amaizing Blue

September 25th, 2022 at 2:47 PM ^

JM Blue, obviously any degree from UM carries some cachet, and I am not saying the SOE at UM is some sort of ITT Tech situation.  However, it has never been an area the University at large has lavished resources on, and I know very few fellow educators, including myself, who went to UM with the intention of becoming teachers.  Nothing wrong with that, it is simply an area other schools do a better job in.  You can't be top 5 at everything.  

PopeLando

September 25th, 2022 at 3:02 PM ^

Fun fact: this is because most of the "directional" colleges actually started out as Normal Schools, that is, schools to teach educators. I believe that MSU previously had a Normal School attached to it too (will need to confirm). University of Michigan was not a Normal School.

So the leaders in your field have like a century of head start here. This used to be all that they did.

CTSgoblue

September 25th, 2022 at 11:34 PM ^

Wife is an SOE grad and the big difference at UM, if I remember correctly, is that you don’t get a degree in “teaching.”  You have to get a major and minor in subject areas and then you get your certificate.  I have a very hard time believing my wife’s bachelors degree in mathematics (with a minor in history) with teaching certification from U of M is less impressive than a teaching degree at any of those “better” programs.