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OT: U of F president weighs in on oversigning and greyshirting
oversigning.com, andy staples, etc and now the UF president. A lot of publicity and the SEC is taking the majority of the negative PR.
Florida is one of the big boys in most sports, especially football, and is in the SEC. Florida's decision to make a public statement against oversigning is a big deal. If a few more of the top football schools outside the B10 would get on board (e.g. Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma), the NCAA would have the necessary support to implement FBS-wide changes to stop the most abusive practices.
Things that are never happening: Nick Saban opposing oversigning.
like Satan opposing evil and stuff.
Good for him. The attention being given to this issue seems to be inching closer to critical mass. Once the general public is fully aware of it, it seems like it should be only a matter of time before the NCAA is pressured into some change. Maybe that's a bit optimistic/idealistic, but it'd be nice to put this practice away forever.
It's funny. A lot of us think of oversigning as "That horrible thing the SEC does"... but SEC East fans claim it's "That horrible thing the SEC WEST does". I don't know if it's a completely clean split, but most of the worst offenders are in the west.
Follow-up: Here's Oversigning.com's current list of offenders (keeping in mind these are based on verbal commitments, not actual players):
1. Ole Miss (SEC West)
2. Alabama (SEC West)
3. USC (GOATBOY)
4. LSU (SEC West)
5. Arkansas (SEC West)
6. South Carolina (SEC East)
7. Mississippi State (SEC West)
8. Clemson (ACC)
9. Michigan State*
So yeah, looks like it's mostly the SEC West that's the troublemakers.
*Apparently, Michigan State currently has one more verbal commit than they have space for. Interesting.
MSU is probably just planning for their annual "half the team attacks a random dorm or frat and gets thrown in jail."
It is good to see that 3 schools in the SEC haven't sold their souls for more victories. I applaud Florida, Georgia, and Vanderbilt for sticking to their priciples while competing with the schools that will do anything to win.
To me when I think of over-signing, I think of Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss St., Auburn, South Carolina and LSU. Lets not forget Alabama and their medical redshirt practices.
People constantly say the SEC is the best conference. That might be the case, but I wonder how much better they would be if they were not allowed to over-sign.
i think you're thinking of the medical hardship whereby they get to stay in school but are no longer part of the team due to medical issues. This is where the sketch comes into play because 'Bama has presumably been tabbing kids as having career ending injuries for teh sole purpose of opening up roster space.
Arkansas was at 30 recruits last I saw. How many is that over, 3-5? Unless I guess there's massive grayshirting, that's just not right.
Used to be at MICH.
What matters is how it is conducted. The practice he describes is pulling offers aka "backing out of the contract", which isn't how many programs use gray-shirting. As a school like Oregon State they gray-shirt players who know exactly what is coming. Basically, they take kids that wouldn't otherwise get a chance to be at a Pac10 school and give them an extra year to develop. They have to pay for a semester of schooling on their own, but do so willingly. Oregon State has been doing it to give their program an advantage in player development. They offer some kids (particularly OL) gray-shirt offers and other kids standard scholarships. Its really no more reprehensible than being a prefferred walk-on.
The key moral question here is if kids are being deceived. If you're openly offered a gray-shirt, there is nothing wrong with this practice.
Grayshirt is another new term and is applied to the prospect that signs a letter of intent in February, but doesn't report in the fall with his teammates. He delays entry to college until midyear, i.e. January. That NCAA five-year clock doesn't start ticking until the player enrolls as a full time student, so gray-shirting is really a delayed version of red-shirting. For Example, Texas Tech, signed 34 players in February 2006, but NCAA rules prevent them from enrolling more than 25 to start the fall. Some of those nine other players gray-shirted during the 2006 fall season. They cannot enroll in college as full time students, can’t receive their scholarship, nor practice. It is like getting an extra year of practice, because most of these players don’t see the game field until two years later and they have the advantage of going through an extra spring practice.
This needs to be done on a national level using NCAA guidelines that are unequivocal.
I can't remember where I read this, but oversigning, except to the extent of three scholarships and then only with written justification, has been banned by the B1G since the 50's.
Adam Rittenberg has been doing some nice work on this. I know it's MSM but he's usually had some great stuff. Today he had a piece with the Big Ten's Associate Commisioner for Compliance. Here is the link if anyone is interested. SIAP.
OP, I gave you a +1, but what I really wanted to do was give Bernard Machen a +1.
Mr. Machen could not be with us this afternoon so I will be accepting this +1 for his public recognition of the douchnozzleness of the SEC West. Thank you sir on behalf of all the Universities these institutions have screwed out of recruits by their shady practices.
Changing PAC 10 to Package 10 and not changing Big Ten to B1G Ten.
Didn't catch that one until I got done laughing at your post. Auto correct got me again. It's fixed now. Thanks.
or didn't this year, it's in his best interest to make this issue as public as possible to pressure the SEC into stopping oversigning.
Make no mistake, he's directing this to the other SEC teams.