Tiger's acquire Wilson Betemit from the Royals for prospects Antonio Cruz and Julio Rodriquez. Looks as though Mr. Inge's time could be coming to an end. Solid deal, nothing too special, they still need a pitcher but on paper this looks like a solid rental.
OT- Tigers acquire Wilson Betemit
Listening to 97.1, DD said Don Kelly is ahead of Inge on the depth chart and he can't comment on if Inge will remain a Tiger. The good news gets even better!
Bye bye crInge. Take yor 8.5 mil and go away.
This is a very solid pickup. He can be a solid contributor at the bottom of the lineup. No Aramis Ramirez, but with our offense, we don't necessarily need a big bat. Now let's get a pitcher. I will still pray for Ubaldo Jimenez.
Wandy Rodriguez, solid lefty who has put up very good numbers in a small ball park would love to see him pitching Comerica.
Plus I think they're asking too much for him. Hes 32 but they want one of our top prospects
Actually they are doing what is called showcasing your talent. They bring up a minor league prospect who is doing well to showcase them against the big boys as a bargaining chip in a trade to get a solid vet. It's a solid move. You may take a loss tonight (usually pitchers coming up actually do quite well due to no scouting on them so might even be a win), but you have teams interested in your young guys. Happens all the time. No matter what anybody thinks DD and Leyland have a pretty good handle on how to run/manage a baseball team.
Injuries? Things happen in baseball. You pull a groin and you miss 14 games. Leyland doesn't go out and play the game. He doesn't throw the pitches. He doesn't turn double plays. He manages and if you know the game you know he is actually pretty damn good at what he does. I am not intending to be snarky with this response at all. Baseball is a funny thing. It takes just like a woman.
EDIT: Also, I didn't neg you as I don't have tha powah.
"horrible" lineup card filling job, the Tigers offense is still 4th in batting average (.264), 6th in OBP (.331), 7th in slugging (.414), and in the most important all-encompasing offensive stat of all, they are 5th in wOBA (.327). Go freaking figure.
Because you touch yourself at night.
I actually thought His Dudeness was spot on with what the Tigers were doing. I'd love to hear your reason of why your reply was necessary.
that in Leylands tenure in Detroit, only 5 teams in MLB have more wins than Detroit? One of them happens to be the Twins. Think that might have anything to do with the lack of division titles? Yeah, probably does, right?
Seriously, great stat there. I was going to comment on the "weak" AL Central comment. Isn't the AL Central one of the best top to bottom in baseball? I would go
AL Central / NL Central
and the NL East is really just the Phillys...
Well seeing as a certain team(Braves) has the 4th best record in baseball that NL East comment is moronic. Also if the last place team in the NL East played in the central with the same record they would be only 4 games out. And if you want to go to the past the Braves also got a WC last year and the year before that there were three 86+ win teams in the division. So yeah, your comment is fairly wrong.
And you realize the Tigers played an abnormally low amount of divisional games prior to the break, right?
People throw out "weak division" arguments with absolutely no context, data, statistics, or umm.... facts.
Umm where did I say the AL Central was a weak division?(which if it's not weak per se it's probably more middle of the pack compared to baseball as a whole) I was responding to the comment about the Phillies being the only team in the NL East and I did so with many facts(Braves record the last two years, Braves, Marlins, Phillies all having same or greater number of wins in 162 games as the Twins Tigers in 08)
we didn't win a bunch of Central titles like Minnesota. Let me ask you...since Leyland took over, how many teams from our division have been to the World Series? Answer..1. The Tigers. The only other team from our division to appear in the World Series in this millenium was the White Sox in 2005. We are so quick to bitch and moan about the Tigers, yet here the Twins are with all these freaking Central titles...what do they have to show for it? Nah, let's just go back to the times where we lost 100 games every freaking season. Man, seriously, i'm 24 years old. All I ever asked for all my life was a competitive team. I waited from the time i was 8 until was 19 years old just to see a team with so much as a .500 record (2006) I finally got it. Beggers can't be choosers. If the team doesn't win the title...so f'ing what. Just enjoy the run and stop acting like a bunch of spoiled Yankees fans.
So we're spoiled because we expect the team to perform like a 105 million dollar team should and not fall apart in the second half? Maybe even make the post-season here and there? The argument of being tied for the lead in AL pennants within the AL Central in the past decade does nothing for me. Seeing your team playing post-season baseball is a great feeling, something I'm sure we would all like to experience more often. What happens when or if they get there, happens; at least everyone gets to see some meaningful contests.
2006 was nice but it should be a foundation for bigger and better things, not the modern pinnacle of the Tigers franchise.
We made the world series and were literally 1 game away from the playoffs twice (once?) all in the last 5 years. Is that not good? Hold on, I will ask the Cubs fans if that is acceptable... They say it would be fun. Pittsburgh and Reds fans also agree.
Face it, we aren't the Yankees. If we make the playoffs a couple times per decade i am quite pleased. It is the way the sport is now. It's big market and a couple small market teams in per year. I for one still love baseball.
I don't feel it is acceptable.
The difference is that we are not Chicago nor Pittsburgh. Illitch is willing to shell out cash to build a consistant winner but Dombrowski can't utilize the money correctly. The Tigers are handcuffed by bad contracts. With the financial comfort Detroit has in getting players, the Tigers should win or come close to winning the division every year. Instead, they haven't won it in the time I've been alive.
I'm tired of blowing games in idotic fashion (a la last night, David Purcey can't throw a strike and we drop one to lowly Oakland) and even more tired of rolling into the all-star break in first place and collapsing during the second half. All I ask is for a GM to assemble, or come close to assembling, the best team he can with the money he's given. If Dombrowski did that then we would have a few more banners at Comerica Park.
I am definitely glad we're not Chicago. They have a higher payroll and far fewer wins.
That's true, it could be worse.
I don't feel it is acceptable.
I guess that is just liek your opinion, man
The difference is that we are not Chicago nor Pittsburgh.
Illitch is willing to shell out cash to build a consistant winner but Dombrowski can't utilize the money correctly.
True and then false. We just pay for our mistakes more thatn say, The Yankees or Red Sox (which, like duh)
The Tigers are handcuffed by bad contracts.
See above: every team has bad contracts we just get hurt by them more than big market teams.
With the financial comfort Detroit has in getting players, the Tigers should win or come close to winning the division every year.
In a perfect world yes. In the real world this is just not true. Injuries, bad years, etc. happen in baseball. Look at the Twins this year.
Instead, they haven't won it in the time I've been alive.
I hate to say this, but you will grow up and realize that this is one of the things that makes baseball great. When you do win a WS it is fucking epic. And the parties in Detroit are lifetime memories.
I'm tired of blowing games in idotic fashion (a la last night, David Purcey can't throw a strike and we drop one to lowly Oakland)
It happens. 162 games gives you plenty of time to make up for those.
and even more tired of rolling into the all-star break in first place and collapsing during the second half.
Could be the players since it happens every single season. Could be the players on the other teams simply don't wear down like ours do. It isn't as simple as blaming Leyland. I am sure he doesn't want to lose in the second half.
All I ask is for a GM to assemble, or come close to assembling, the best team he can with the money he's given.
Cabrera and Verlander? That is enough (with proper supporting cast) to get you there. I am not being sarcastic, that is enough. We just have to get lucky a few years and have the supporting cast do its job.
If Dombrowski did that then we would have a few more banners at Comerica Park.
He has been here for like 5 years and we went to the WS omce and almost went to the playoffs twice. IN HIS 5 YEARS HERE. It'll happen.
You're an amazing baseball mind. Please tell me more about the Tigers organization and their failures. It's really interesting, and not a bit whiny or spiteful.
Are you happy?
It seems to me the one truly ironic thing in this debate is you calling someone else arrogant. The way you argue, you expect there could possibly be no other POV than yours and that everyone else is an "apologist," or something.
Well, the answer is obvious, reflects somewhat poorly on DD, and none at all on Leyland:
That's closed to $30 million annually to guys that didn't take the field, two, basically, as a result of injury.
Baseball is a marathon and not a sprint, so showcasing some talent makes sense.
I like this move......Inge's days as a Tiger are numbered now.
I like it. I hate it for Inge, but I did say I think the lineup needed some shoring up and Betemit can hit second or hit eighth, which is where we needed to see improvement. Boesch batting second, I can't see that as a long-term thing.
Does anyone know how I can stream the Tigers game for free? I don't want to make another thread just looking for some help.
Buy MLB Radio. It's the only way.
I thought so I just wasn't sure if there was another source. Thanks anyway
radio.com app for android allows you to look up the 971 feed and you can listen to the tigers games from there...
myp2pforum.eu you'll need to download streamtorrent first though, kinda sucky but hey, it's free
Looks like INGE is OUT.
Yeah, I'm also going to miss all the check-swing strikeouts and jumping out of the way at breaking balls right over the middle of the plate.
Bobby Higginson still lives in MI and he suffered through a lot of losing, lets bring him back!
pouted every time we've traded for someone at his position.
Inge has made par maybe two years his entire career.
A league average 3b is going to provide about 3 WAR. Inge has surpassed that mark twice, and has been below 2 five times. He used to be a good defender, but he's been subpar this year, and he's kind of a whiny self entitled jerk.
Its good that he's gonna take the assignment to toledo though, him and Cale Iorg can have Strikeout Derby.
I dont think I'll be this happy and proud again until I have my first child.
This trade is as exciting as the Joe Randa trade w/ KC a few years back!
Inge has been designated for assignment and will report to Toledo, according to Wojo.
MLB traderumors just said he got designated...........how can he have any options left????
he doesn't have options left. that's why they said he was designated, not optioned.
Inge has to go. Dude loves Michigan and Im thankful that he does but from a baseball perspective, Detroit had no choice but to find someone replace him. Just getting a .250 bat in his place will be a serious upgrade. Detroit is looking at pitching help and even help for the LF position.
Detroit is still in a good position to make the playoffs albeit only through the division, wildcard might be out of reach.
Rumors have Detroit looking at Beltran as a possibility for OF help. Not sure if they still are. Also the obvious, they are looking for pitching but I think all the teams chasing the playoffs are. We'll see if any moves come up the next week and a half.
I think this is a great move for us. Immediately improves overall production at 3rd (looks like we lose a little bit defensively, but that should be countered by a greater improvement in offense), unless Betemit just drops off a cliff. I like that we didn't give up much at all to get him.
Now, assuming Betemit stays within his career averages for production ROS, what do the rest of you think about signing him to a longer deal after the season?
Rather than attempt to refute everything BRCE has commented on in this thread I will just lay out a blanket comment stating that he (she?) is not good at knowing what he (she?) is commenting about on this particular subject.
Thank you and happy Thursday to all.