Tough loss for UW.
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Tough loss for UW.
Tough gain for USC.
I'm sure USC tried for Petersen, as will Washington.
I think Sarkisian was their first choice.
Yeah they said Peterson withdrew his name as a candidate
They wanted Sark. They actually reached out to John Harbaugh as a long shot and Del Rio...as a back-up. But after Sumlin re-upped, and Coach O lost to UCLA, Sark was their #1 choice.
He is a good coach and good recruiter, and he should have been hired over Kiffin the last time around.
He was their #1 5th choice.
Reading comprehension isn't one of your strengths. But you are strong when it comes to snarky, trolling comments...keep up the good work.
Why do you say they weren't interested in Peterson? I read Peterson withdrew after there was mutual interest. That doesn't mean he was above Sark, but he was an option.
I know you're a big SC football guy, what do you think about this? I think it's pretty uninspiring. If Sark hadn't been an SC guy before, he'd never get considered. Washington was bad before he got there, but in 5 years he really hasn't done much. It also sounds like Coach O is leaving. To me, Kiff w/ Orgeron is just as good as Sark without him but we'll see.
Coach O with money for coordinators > Sark. Losing him will also be a huge blow to a team that loves the guy and totally bought in when he got the job under difficult circumstances.
As an SC alum, I'm pretty disgusted with the hire and I don't know anybody who is happy about it. I thought Haden would aim higher, but even guys like James Franklin, Tim DeRuyter, etc. have better resumes. Hell, they could have offered to pay Dantonio as much as anybody in the country.
This is a great day for the other teams in the conference. And it opens up the school to major negative recruiting (How can you trust the guy who bailed on one conference job for another and was selling you UW a week ago but now is selling USC?). SC will get a bump when the sanctions end, but I don't ever see greatness from Steve Sarkisian. Mora, Graham, Rodriguez, and Shaw just got a big boost.
As a family member of many UW alumns and a Seattle-ite, I am thrilled that USC is taking Sark off our hands! There is no reason 7 to 8 wins should be where UW plateaus. Only a coach who can't win big plateaus there in Seattle. I feel for the sanity of your fandom, but just as you said, I am one of the many in this ordeal that stand to benefit greatly by keeping that lackluster dope perpetually underwhelming at the flagship football program of the conference. Personally, I hope UW steals Mora, an alumn, back. However, I think Mora has more integrity and loyalty to his players than Sark. He's an example of a great Pac-12 coach who is capable of winning like Sark never did. You guys just hired 2013 Brady Hoke!
...boosters and usually have a good pulse of what is going on with the program. Once Kiffin was canned, boosters wanted (and thought they would get) a Gruden, John Harbaugh, etc. (Much like Michigan fans post RR expecting the HR hire). After Coach O brought new life to the program...many were swept up and wanted Coach O. However, after the loss to UCLA the feel good story came crashing down. There was some talk of CP and Franklin, but outside of Sumlin, Stark was at the top of the list (for Haden). Personally I think CP is an amazing coach that would do well anywhere.
From what I am hearing, most people like Sark, know he is a good coach and great recruiter on the west coast, but are very underwhelmed by the hire. Personally, I like the hire, and was annoyed when Garrett hired Kiffin, not Sark, post Carroll. Haden is a great athletic director, and I trust his hire.
I don't have the connections you have, but I have lots of friends and some family who are alumni, and no one is really mad about this but most are underwhelmed. Everyone I've talked to fall into two groups: The group saying they wanted an established, successful HC, and the group you would fall into, where the general feeling is "he's a really good guy, he's local, he can recruit."
The big thing I have a problem with is that you really can't point to anything he's done as a HC and say "that's why we hired him." He started to turn around Washington, but either failed or needed more than 5 years to do it.
I think the "he's a great recruiter" part is overblown at a school like SC. I'm sure anyone they would have hired would have been a good recruiter. And if you can win at a school like SC, you don't even need to be a good recruiter, it just happens.
Also heard an interesting fact that Coach O won more Pac 12 games in his interim season at USC (6) than Sark has ever won in a full season at Washington (5).
I've heard a handful of people saying that today too. USC got to miss Oregon this year (which Sark was never able to do) so that helps. But yeah, Washington has really never been able to do much in conference, has never won any decent OOC games and is 1-2 in bowls under Sark.
Antagonistic disingenuous devil's advocate, or are we spared another week of your contrary trolling?
But not to 5.
I'm a little surprised that CP is so content at Boise. But he's comfortable there.
I bet June Jones really wishes that he stayed at Hawaii
I've been in similar situations and can see where CP is coming from. It's just so against the grain and is actually a little refreshing. I bet Washington still lobs a phone call though. Can't hurt.
Doesn't he have some family reasons for not really wanting to pick up and move to a higher profile job?
Things are going to get harder at Boise for him. You can only get by recruiting the isle of misfit toys for so long until the big boys start cherry picking your commits to fill their classes.
I think there's some health concerns related to his son? And somehow Boise actually is the perfect place for him.
I see this like the Belichick coordinators who do not pan out on their own. Sark should have a better offense at USC, not sure he can run the same type of program that was dominant under Carroll.
Peterson needs to stop screwing around and consider if he wants to spend his whole career at Boise and forgo a huge payday that could set his family up for generations. The bloom is starting to come off. Ask Gary Patterson, not hearing his name much anymore.
Petersen's making over $2 million a year (with guaranteed annual $200K raises) at Boise, and is absolutely beloved there - it would take a long time for him to be on the hot seat. He's doing pretty well for himself. His predecessors at Boise all failed to find success elsewhere, so why risk it?
Boise's also an underrated place to live.
I hope this is not true. I actually like Sark.
With this year, his 5th, being his best year at 8-4. Meh
That program was a wreck when he got there; and despite the facilities and amazing stadium, it has never been easy to get top notch kids up to Seattle. I never really understood that either, the area is great, and so is the university.
"it has never been easy to get top notch kids up to Seattle"
Times change. UW has great potential, but it's definitely harder to recruit there than USC, UCLA, etc.
No offense, but that has been the case since college football began on the west coast in the 1800's. Like MGrowOld said, that didn't stop men like Don James from getting the best to go there. Winning is the greatest recruiter. Just look at Stanford and Oregon and the talent they pull in these days - because they win. Sark had a tougher time because he didn't win. Washington state has produced the nation's top rated pocket QB twice in the past three national signing classes and missed out on both. This is not normal for UW. Traditionally, UW holds onto in-state talent and recruits Cali, especially So-Cal, very well. It is only when the program imploded after they fired Neuhiesel and stopped winning that their recruiting success changed. Sark sux. Good riddance!
Palo Alto is a pretty nice place to live, and Oregon has perhaps the best facilities in the country. I'm not saying there aren't nice things about Seattle, but it's not like Stanford and Oregon don't have some environmental things going in their favor, too...
Oregons emergence the past 10 years is Washingtons biggest recruiting problem.
but they don't recruit the same athletes these days. Oregon likes 'em lean and fast. UW only begun to seriously dabble with the spread this season. They may begin to target the same athletes more often going forward, but UW's lost more in-state five-star O-linemen to the Stanford's and USC's of the world, and more in-state five star QB's to the USC's and BYU than Oregon. Defenders like Taylor Mays bolted Ty Willingham's winless ways for USC as well.
I guess I should've said recently, which is what I meant.
Sark has actually been recruiting pretty well--including signing a number of former Michigan targets (Shaq Thompson, Sean Parker, and Demorea Stringfellow, for instance). 8-4 may not sound all that impressive, but the team went 0-12 the year before Sarkisian arrived and they play in the same division as Stanford and Oregon.
I think they just finished some of those facilities and the stadium. Might not have had time to impact recruiting. And really, it must be hard to recruit on the basis of "facilities" when you're competing with Oregon for a lot of the same kids.
is breathtaking. Station at Fort Lewis in mid-90's....LOVED IT THERE!!!!
There was a reason why he had the nickname "Seven win Steve"
I felt Sark was the right choice for USC all along, which is exactly why I was hoping Pat Haden would have a brain cramp and hire someone else. If this is true, USC will be back on top within three years: possibly two.
Has to suck when kids go to a college for a coach they like then he leaves. I know the coach isn't always the reason but still. Good for USC though!
Already missin u, (Interim) Coach O.
While I get the sentiment, there is a difference between stepping in as an interim and taking the reins long term. I know nothing of Orgeron's ability to run a program, but this seems to be a case of looking longer term.
Well, right. If I'm not mistaken, Orgeron was on record saying he didn't really want the job and wanted to go back to being a coordinator/recruiter. I just flat out love the guy because he's pretty much a real life Muppet, and that personality gets hidden once you go back in the booth.
Coach O won 6 Pac-12 games this year (despite getting hired in the middle of a shitshow season and dealing with severe sanctions). Steve Sarkisian has never done that in five full seasons.
Good for him, I'm sure he's gna have a nice pay day...I did like coach O tho and thought he'd have a good chance especially with the players backing him
The way I look at it, I'd welcome a dominant USC program back to college football. It would divert a lot of top recruits away from the SEC, and break up the seeming monopoly they have down there right now.
I wonder if UW goes after Mora. That would piss off the Pac 12 commish to no end with all of this internal poaching going on.
Good hire for USC.
I think Sark is a good coach, but a really meh hire for USC. If Washington can snag Mora from UCLA, they come out the big winner. Wouldn't be surprised if they promote Wilcox, though.
UCLA is a better job than Washington. Mora played at Washington, but he is actually from Californai.
Mora's already stated numerous times how much he loves Washington. He's definitely going to get a call and he's definitely going to think about it long and hard.
He might love Washington, but UCLA is a way better job. And he's set up to win at UCLA now.
That comparison to Miles isn't even close by the way. Mora has spent the majority of his coaching career in California, not Washington.
They have a worse all time winning pecentage, less national championships, are the #2 sport at the school, and the #2 football program in their city, no more state.
Yeah but Washington has more rain! So there's that. Which is nice.
He's basically a god at UCLA right now, there's a better local recruiting base to go off of and I would say the football tradition of the two schools is comparable as being good, but not great programs. Mora has UCLA on the upswing right now with better things to come, I would be shocked if he left.
I think Washington is the better job. UCLA has a long way to go before they're anything but second fiddle in Southern California. Sure, Mora is a god at UCLA, but he would be the same at Washington, probably even more so since he's their guy.
Now, the difference isn't huge, but his personal allegiance is the big difference. Mora would leave UCLA for the pros, he might not do that at Washington.
But I'm not sure the program is superior.
UCLA plays in the Rose Bowl off campus and doesn't sell out. They don't have luxury suites for boosters and their practice facilities aren't brand spankin' new/state of the art. They are in SoCal and Mora does have them on the uptick. However, UW can offer a great deal of great significance that UCLA cannot. They have a brand new stadium in the most picture-eque setting in the land, a greater ability to generate revenues now, brand new practice facilities, and the Seattle scene is what many do prefer to the LA smog and limelight. The quality between the jobs is far closer than you think.
But the whole "REAL big time programs only go out and hire sure fire winners and big names" thing doesn't really seem to be working or happening for USC. I mean, that 34-29 career record...he's only getting the job because he has USC ties! /s
Haden basically hired Lane Kiffin's less douchey doppelganger. I'd rather spend the cash on an OC and keep Coach O in charge, if only for entertainment value.
Is this really a big hire? I live in Seattle and numerous people were calling for Sarks head just a few days ago. Don't know who they go after. Jim Mora Jr did say it was his dream job a few years ago.
That would be the lunatic fringe segment of the Washington fan base.
Urban Meyer called and thinks the whole "dream job" thing is over rated.
As others said, there was a rather brief, largely unheralded statement this morning that Chris Petersen had withdrawn his name from consideration for the job, and indeed, only an hour or so ago, the only reports were still about Sarkisian interviewing for the position. There was also a report from ESPN that James Franklin was in the running, but that proved to be untrue per Bruce Feldman.
This is something I thought USC might do - get someone with ties to the program. As I recall, Steve Sarkisian was an assistant, QB coach and even OC under Pete Carroll for two separate stints.
I think we can expect to see James Franklin's name come up in any major openings from now on.
But,not a homerun type hire. Surprise they didn't go homerun...hmm?!?!
When was the last time USC had a 'home run' hire? in hindsight Carrol, but at the time he wasn't a home run hire.
It's generally kind of rare for a school to steal a big name coach. Generally, coaches move up the ladder.
Alabama, OSU and South Carolina are three schools that had home run hires, but none of those 3 coaches were coaching at the college level when those schools hired them.
Looks like they went and got themselves a Trojan Man.
I've always been more of a Durex man myself.
Good hire though. I wonder who Washington goes after now?
and a wise choice by USC. I was hoping that they'd hire somebody other than Sark, who might fall on their face.
I guess we'll see where Tosh ends up. If USC keeps Eddy O, Tosh would be a great recruiting guy to put in your program.
Hey needs an offensive coordinator. Take Borges, please.
Here's hoping UW takes a nice, long look at Pat Narduzzi.
I don't want Narduzzi to go anywhere. I want to smash his defense in the mouth next year at the Toilet in E.L. Beat 'em when they're on top as well as when they're down.
I am surprised to read a lot of positive reactions to this hire on this board. I personally think USC could have had a homerun hire, and they missed a royal opportunity. Sarkisian is 34-29 (1-6 vs. Stanford/Oregon/UCLA) over 5 years. Does that make him a bad coach? No. But it doesn't inspire confidence that he can win championships at USC.
In the end, I think his experience at Washington shows he's a good coach, just not great. I really thought Pat Haden would look outside of the Pete Carroll circle and make a run for someone like James Franklin or Chris Petersen. This is similar to our own coaching search 3 years ago. Sark had enough allies in and around the AD, and that is largely the reason he got this job IMO.
You left out the most imporant part of his tenure at Washignton. He inherited an 0-12 program that went 6 years and 2 coaches without going to a bowl game. And you also must remember he is in the second hardest division in the country.
It's fair to point out that omission. I just think that after 5-years and recruiting pretty darn well (to his credit), his results on the field don't scream homerun hire.
Sark was 4-5 in the conference in year one, and has gone 5-4 each of the last four years. There wasn't some long rebuilding period and they haven't gotten any better. Only difference this year was an easier non-conference schedule (they beat a fairly mediocre BSU team).
Harbaugh inherited a situation as bad or worse and was in a BCS bowl in year 4. Sark is basically Kiffin with less douche.
Agree completely. Sark has basically spent his whole career at Washington losing to all the good teams and beating all the bad teams, with just a handful of exceptions on either side. He has never been able to build an impressive recruiting class either.
My exact comment to my SC fan brother-in-law earlier was "This seems like Kiffin all over again, without the douchebaggery." What it comes down to - if it weren't for his history with SC, they never would have looked at him for the job. No other big program was looking to snag him.
At least Haden isn't fucking up basketball. Between Beilein and Dunk City I may start hybernating until mid-November.
I agree there are Hoke and Sark comparisons, but Hoke had been a HC at a couple spots and was able to make drastic (and quick) turnarounds ar both programs. He brought double-digit win totals to teams used to double-digit loss totals. IMO, that's more impressive than what Sark did at Washington.
He's recruiting well now. But the seniors on this team were recruited as UW was coming off six straight losing seasons and were part of the #68 class in the country. We know what a handicap it is to have a bad recruiting class where your upperclassman leaders should be.
kinda saw it coming but thought Haden would of went bold but went safe solid pick up with Sark as for UW job the name could pop up is Doug Nussmeyer former Wash OC and current Bama OC. But everybody put the main canidates as Peterson and Mora and some wild theories about Gruden to UW. but Nussmeyer seems to be the fit for them as head coach.
I thought Gruden was going to USC next year..
Gruden is now rumored to be going to Washington to replace Sark
That's because it's a coaching vacancy, and it's a rule that Gruden must get mentioned for every one of those.
Orgeron earned the full time job.
Am i the only one who thinks this is Kiffin all over again?? Hes done an average job at a top teir program and thier hiring him on name alone. I dont see this as the sexy hire everyone was talking about. And im really suprised Sumlin turned them down i thought for sure hed get out of there when he had the chance. The SEC west is a death trap for coaches because competing with Bama LSU Auburn is impossible IMO. Still cant believe Beileima took the Arkansas job
I don't know if it's Kiffin all over again, but I agree that they could have done better. Re: Sumlin, I read somewhere over the weekend that USC's interest in him soured over time as they saw TAMU's abysmal defense.
that if you look at Sumlin's history at A&M and Houston, his defenses have never been that good.
maybe Sark will make a run at Borges as his oc
Needed a good laugh. Thanks.
Live every week like It's Sark Week.
As if USC needs a boost to recruit damn that's gonna be a great staff!
I'm not familiar with these guys. Are they that highly regarded? Washington didn't set the world on fire when they were there.
Those guys are ace recruiters and stellar D-coaches. Wilcox is an underrated D-Coordinator in the national conference of high speed spread offense. Lupoi is one of the best recruiters in the nation. These guys don't get their due because of the west coast bias. However, they will KILL at USC. They're a better get than Sark for USC, IMO. I wanted them to stay at UW.
Seems,his family loves Boise and the support the community provides for him and the family. Safe to say...he isn't going anywhere. I'd thought TX would be the better fit for him anyway...
I think Sark can do well at USC. Kiffin came to USC under a dark cloud from Tennessee, and despite phenomenal recruiting classes, he's not cut out to be a head coach. Maybe with more time and an exponential leap in maturity, he could be. Sark took over a dumpster fire in Washington and has had some success. What would we have expected of Coach Hoke if he took over after the 3-9 season?
I think we'd be expecting more than what happened at Washington. He went 5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6, and now 8-4. 5 years in with one season of 8 wins and I think Hoke might get the boot.
We may not have been great under RichRod, but UW was 0-12 the year before he took over and had won 12 games total over the previous 5 years. Considering that he took over a tire fire, his records were pretty good.
Blatant and remorseless move to recapture the Pete Carroll style, approach, and energy at USC. As a fan of the program, that's worth a dice roll any day of the week.
Didn't think this would happen BECAUSE of the close ties to Pete and that era. Felt Haden associated all of it with the lawless past. I was wrong.
who was it who said USC wasn't at all interested in program ties in their coaching candidates?
Seemed like he wasn't their first option after things with Sumlin went south and Petersen withdrew.
Seems like a pretty "blah" hire, especially after they pledged to spend up to $6M a year on a coach. But it goes to show that it's not that easy to lure a big-name guy.
Not the biggest splash of a hire, but Sarkisian did a decent job at Washington after Keith Gilbertson and Tyrone Willingham both did terribly. That was a mess from the early 2000's when Neuheisel was there until Sarkisian came along. With USC and the rising powers of Stanford and Oregon, not to mention a couple other teams who have had solid years occasionally like Arizona, UCLA, and Oregon State, Sarkisian has done a pretty decent job. I think you also have to think about how different the recruiting will be between Seattle and Los Angeles. Based on geography, local talent, etc., Washington has it tough compared to places like Tucson, L.A., Oregon (their facilities, at least), etc.
oh man, that's gotta bring the UW fanbase down a notch. welp, at least they have the apple cup
FWIW, I put together a piece on whether this will affect Michigan's recruiting or not. I don't see any strong likelihood that it will, but there are a decent number of guys on the UW/USC rosters who were pursued by Michigan.
I know Sarkasian has worked wonders at USC before as their OC, but his coaching tenure at Washington never impressed me. They seemed like a perennial average to good team that could never seem to get over the hump. I know they recorded a few big upsets along the way, but he never really molded them into legitimate contenders. They were always a fringe team that never could take the next step.
It'll be interesting to see how he holds up at USC.
is going to have one heck of a tough decision to make.
He can win at UCLA but Washington is his alma mater, he spoke about UW a few weeks ago and it sounded like the only place he would consider leaving UCLA for.
If Coach O took the job?
I think he did a fantastic job in the wake of Lane Kiffin's firing. He is a proven recruiter, can handle the right-now situations, and has experience as a head coach.