Tigers off topic? No way. Every Michigan fan is a fan of all Detroit sports teams, making it both relevant to everyone and on topic. Everyone knows that...
OT: Officiating in Packers-Saints game
It's a blanket statement. I'm a Michigan fan and a Chicago sports fan (Cubs, not Sox) and rules are rules. Funny thing is I agree with you. This is a pretty close knit community in so much as if I hear the word Tacopants I know that person is a loyal mgoblog minion.
And therefore anything affecting a majority of this blog I don't feel should be labeled OT. Tigers, USMNT, Lions, Pistons, Wings (boo!), Muppets. Those are always on-topic as far as I'm concerned, but I'm not a mod.
Somewhat fitting, the refs might have just saved the game for the Packers by getting that holding call correct.
Wha?? You mean even veteran's make mistakes too??!?
Any game with Charles Woodson is NOT off topic.
Chuck was PISSED after that blown fumble call, on that next play I thought for sure he was going to get ejected as it appeard he touched the ref when he was freaking out.
Has been an embarrassment to the NFL and everyone screaming about the integrity of the game on TV during the lockout.
I didn't see these calls, but the NFL rulebook is conducive to controversial calls. Too much of it is subjective. They overthought themselves when they wrote it. What is acceptable and unacceptable seems to change from game-to-game IMO. I'm probably completely biased, but some calls in Lions' games the past 5-6 years have left me speechless. I don't watch many other games so I can only guess that similar things occur for all teams. I used to think the NBA had the worst officiating, but I think it might be the NFL. Inconsistent.
I didn't get the vitriol for the replacement refs (they're naturally going to screw up more because they're all rookies in the NFL). Everybody seemed to forget all the terrible officiating every week in years past.
Very true about your point about the rule book, but this was a clear cut blown call. Made worse by the stupid "you only get two/three challenges (no matter how many calls the refs get wrong" rule.
I think you're correct in saying that the NFL rulebook lends itself to controversical calls by its structure really. Many of the rules are essentially brief, general defitions with several common examples followed by what the suggested call would be in that example. It leads to some items in the rulebook actually being oversimplified, in my opinion, and while I understand that they don't want officials having to read and comprehend a multi-volume treatise on just what constitutes a "dead ball", for example, the rules do lend themselves much to the understanding (or misunderstanding) of the individual official.
That being said, and to actually add to your statement as well as what Clarance Beeks mentioned (I hope I am talking about the right play), there just happens to be an example given under "incomplete pass" which almost perfectly fits the "complete incomplete pass" call which had Packers fans at boiling point, and rightly so. It describes a situation where a receiver takes hold of a ball, but loses possession (or alternatively, "fails to secure") the catch before hitting the ground. By the book, that's an incomplete pass (Article 4, A.R 8.9 is more or less what happened on the play), and indeed, if there is any uncertainty, which clearly there was, it should have been ruled incomplete by the book. While there are grey areas, there are also times when it is almost literally in the book and it still gets blown.
Indeed, this lends credences to the terrible lack of consistency in NFL officiating, as you point out.
I hate that it comes down to "using challenges wisely", though. If it's the wrong call it should be corrected, period. Not just if you have enough "challenges" to force them to correct it.
The Packers won. I realize there were some bad calls (esp. the Sproles fumble), but itsn't it a moot point now?
I wonder what TJ Lang is thinking right now...
be careful what you wish for...
Check out the most violent face mask no call that I've ever seen in the UNC-Idaho game yesterday.