OT: NY Giants to promote Joe Judge to head coach
January 7th, 2020 at 11:23 AM ^
Sorry, he was Patriots' WR coach.
January 7th, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^
after a horrible receiving year for the patriots this is a surprising move. might be a good time for the patriots to upgrade.
January 7th, 2020 at 11:30 AM ^
As a Patriots fan and only a Patriots fan, they should probably hire Brian Hartline.
January 7th, 2020 at 12:04 PM ^
Please for the love of God, can someone hire Brian Hartline?
January 7th, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^
I've got an opening for a junior assistant to the assistant vice president of the Bolivian division.
January 7th, 2020 at 11:35 AM ^
Dude was the coach of one of the worst WR corps in the league with Brady as QB. That’s no bueno. Granted talent was thin there without AB and just Edelman and a rookie Harry.
Giants hired him to compete with Ron Rivera, Mike McCarthy and Doug Pederson.
This is after they declined to fly out and interview Rhule when Rhule even called them and asked if they would match Carolinas offer.
Can’t make this shit up lol.
January 7th, 2020 at 1:31 PM ^
Joe Judge has been the Pats' outstanding ST assistant and coordinator since 2012. He was the St coordinator/WR coach only this season. He had no prior experience coaching WRs, so it's not a big surprise he didn't do great there. Pats special teams were still among the best in the league.
January 7th, 2020 at 1:33 PM ^
It would have been tough to top Rhule's deal from the Panthers. I believe that he got 7 years and 60 million guaranteed with the possibility of earning up to 70 with incentives. That's a lot of cash...
January 7th, 2020 at 11:25 AM ^
As a Browns fan all I can say is thank you Giants. Thank you.
Sweet baby Jesus we just might back up into doing this right for once.
Maybe.
January 7th, 2020 at 11:27 AM ^
Knowing our Browns, they'll still find a way to fuck it up.
Source: history.
January 7th, 2020 at 11:36 AM ^
This sadly is true. And knowing that the Haslams are still the final decision-maker it would the least surprising thing ever if they do fuck it up.
You know the joke about messing up a one car funeral? Well - our coaching search is now just that. We are competing with no one but ourselves. Let's see if we can overcome our inner Haslams and do the right thing. For once.
Oh...and did i mention thank you Giants? I mean it. Thanks guys - we definitely owe you one next coaching search.
January 7th, 2020 at 12:42 PM ^
Cmon, mGrow. We’ve been Browns fans long enough to know better.
January 7th, 2020 at 1:52 PM ^
The Browns should hire Eric Bienemy from the Chiefs. Dude has done wonders with Patrick Maholmes and we saw what happened the last time a team hired Andy Reid’s OC (See Doug Pederson).
McDaniels is a retread who failed in Denver already.
January 7th, 2020 at 2:53 PM ^
Blah
January 7th, 2020 at 9:17 PM ^
Matt Nagy was the last Andy Reid OC to be hired as a head coach.
January 7th, 2020 at 1:53 PM ^
You want Patricia? I’m willing to give him up for an equipment bag with black mold.
January 7th, 2020 at 11:25 AM ^
Poutine > Putin
January 7th, 2020 at 6:21 PM ^
Are you really saying that fries with gravy and cheese curds is better than the world's greatest kleptocrat? Better than a man whose two smoking hot girlfriends combined ages do not equal his? A man who can speak Russian in French?
January 7th, 2020 at 11:25 AM ^
HALOL
January 7th, 2020 at 4:42 PM ^
Halal?
January 7th, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^
What the hell happened to the Maras? Went from decent owners to downright bad.
January 7th, 2020 at 11:58 AM ^
It's the same thing that always happens to royal families. When power and wealth is automatically transferred from parent to child to grandchild, regardless of ability or interest, things eventually go to shit. It may take a few generations to manifest, but unless the senior family members takes an unusual interest in training and education of the next generations, the decline is virtually inevitable.
January 7th, 2020 at 12:56 PM ^
And you say things like "Jeffrey Epstein conducted himself in a manner unbecoming. Please pass the crumpets, luv."
January 7th, 2020 at 11:32 AM ^
He was a hot candidate to take over the head coaching position at Mississippi State.
January 7th, 2020 at 11:36 AM ^
Mike Valenti's head just exploded
January 7th, 2020 at 11:38 AM ^
Good...
January 7th, 2020 at 11:57 AM ^
Valenti needs to just GTFO here with his nonstop crybaby crap about the Giants. He acts like they haven’t ever won a game in his lifetime, let alone 5 Super Bowls.
Yeah they’re in a down cycle but it’s professional sports, it happens sooner or later. I’m thinking the fan bases all but 3 or 4 NFL teams would kill to have the Giants relatively recent success.
January 7th, 2020 at 12:12 PM ^
When did they win the 5th SB?
January 7th, 2020 at 12:41 PM ^
Whoops.
Thought the Parcells era won 3.
January 7th, 2020 at 12:01 PM ^
When did he get a head? Well, I guess, not one with brains inside it.
Next thing you'll tell me is Keith Jackson died.
January 7th, 2020 at 10:40 PM ^
Keith Jackson died?
January 7th, 2020 at 11:49 AM ^
What a fucking joke this franchise is! He's a 1 year WR coach & 8 year ST coordinator/coach/assistant with New England and 3 year ST assistant with Alabama and now he's the coach of an NFL team... the Mara's can go fuck themselves!
January 7th, 2020 at 12:26 PM ^
He interviews very well.
January 7th, 2020 at 12:48 PM ^
Maybe he's a "computer folk."
January 7th, 2020 at 12:27 PM ^
I’m a fellow Giants fan. That was my initial reaction, but upon reflection, I am going to see how he does before I call this a bad move. A few reasons:
1. There is no obvious home run hire out there. Everyone acts like Rhule is the next Vince Lombardi, but based off of what? Good results in college? There are a number of guys who had huge college success that did not translate to NFL success in coaching. Rhule was still a big risk. After that, who else? Rivera was hired already (and was not exactly a superstar), please no to Jason Garrett as HC (but I would be cool with hiring him as OC), Josh McDaniels is a huge risk; who else is out there?
2. Judge has studied for years under arguably the two most successful HC out there today - BB in NE and Saban. While he is young, he has certainly seen what it takes to build a team for success.
3. He seems like a no-nonsense coach who won’t trade crap (like those that he studied under). I do NOT want a players coach - the Giants need a leader of men who can build a winning attitude.
4. While not the most conventional route, John Harbaugh went from position coach to NFL HC and it seems to be working out fine for him.
Again, I’m not saying this will work out but some of the negative reaction out there seems excessive.
January 7th, 2020 at 1:44 PM ^
Rhule is risky, but winning games with similar / inferior talent is a pretty decent translation of what working in the NFL is like (where the talent gap is so narrow). He's a lot better choice than Lincoln Riley from the college ranks. I really, really like the Rhule / Tepper (owner) combination.
What Belichick disciple has had success? O'Brien maybe, but that team has arguably top 5 NFL talent without top 5 results.
That being said, I agree with you that arguing over Judge's resume is idiotic. Being a head coach in the NFL (or college for that matter) doesn't require a great deal of X&O abilities. It does require an ability to manage and handle people and the ability to put together a seamless organization (like a mid-sized company). Swinney and Meyer were never coordinators before being head coaches. Same with Harbaugh in Baltimore, as mentioned.
The NFL trend of having head coaches involved in the GM search is the smartest thing owners have done in a generation.
January 7th, 2020 at 2:54 PM ^
I'n not disagreeing that Rhule would have been a good choice. My only point is that many are making it like the Giants whiffed on getting Belichick, Pete Carroll or John Harbaugh by not taking him. He is far from a shore thing.
As for Belichick disciples not having success - I agree, and that is why I didn't want McDaniels. I don't view Judge as a Belichick disciple (as I would for one of his coordinators), but more as someone who has spent a good amount of time around Belichick and Saban, and hopefully from that time, has observed what makes a program win. Your point about a NFL HC not needing quite as much X&O experience, as the ability to run an organization seamlessly and lead people is spot on.
January 8th, 2020 at 12:38 AM ^
Fellow Giants fan here. I think you make some good points regarding the hire.
I don't blame the Giants for not matching Carolina's offer to Rhule; while I'll reserve judgement on the Rhule hire the same way I am for the Judge hire, that's a long contract with a lot of money-- not to mention the "sports science center" Carolina threw in to the deal. The Giants were never going to match that deal.
January 7th, 2020 at 1:58 PM ^
Risky hire but sounds like a resume similar to the following NFL head coach: Harbaugh, JOHN. Think he's done OK for himself in Baltimore. He's a Belichick favorite which may carry some influence with Mara.
Can't blame him for Pats WR's this year. Greatest WR in league history could not make chicken salad out of the chicken shit they had.
January 7th, 2020 at 12:01 PM ^
What does Judge Judy know about football?
January 7th, 2020 at 12:03 PM ^
I guess that means they'll draft Jerry Jeudy in the first round.
January 7th, 2020 at 12:21 PM ^
LMAO!!! This makes the Rod Marinelli hire look decent! Haa!!!
January 7th, 2020 at 12:28 PM ^
With the First Pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, the New York Giants select, Trevor Lawrence, Quarterback, Clemson.
January 7th, 2020 at 12:30 PM ^
It would have been cool if they had hired Mike Judge.
January 7th, 2020 at 12:42 PM ^
Yeah but is Texas back?
January 7th, 2020 at 12:57 PM ^
Texas is a year away from being back and always will be.
January 7th, 2020 at 2:11 PM ^
Texas = Michigan