OT: North Dakota Fighting Hawks release first logo

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The decade long ordeal that was the North Dakota Fighting Sioux nickname battle is now finally closed.

They announced a year ago that they'd settled on the Fighting Hawks nickname, and now they have released a logo to go along with it.

 

Lame.

 

Gulogulo37

June 23rd, 2016 at 12:46 PM ^

So you wouldn't object to a team named the Nazis if serial killers don't matter and it's just a name? lol

Also, there's room to talk about how white people aren't the only ones to have waged war or enslaved people (althought the slavery of colonization was on a vastly larger scale), but the Sioux enslaved and killed hundreds of thousands? When? Over what period of time? Considering the Sioux were living off the prairie and bison, weren't they fairly nomadic? There aren't written records from them and so much of the native populations were wiped out from smallpox before white settlers even got out there. So what are you basing this on?

Baldbill

June 23rd, 2016 at 12:54 PM ^

Actually, the largest and longest running of slavery based on a persons color/tribe, is from when the turkic/mongolic and arabs took white slaves from areas in russia, the balkans, etc for nearly 900 years running. Most of them were from the local Slavic tribes...this is why we have the word that describes the situation...the word slave is directly related to slavic. no white priviledge there.

DrMantisToboggan

June 23rd, 2016 at 2:03 PM ^

The Sioux were widespread over the plains and west. They were at war with the Pawnee in near perpetuity. This is cited in Lewis and Clark's journal and many other places, as is their practice of slavery. Just google it, it's not hard to find. Many tribes enslaved other indians. Tribes in the south even owned enslaved Africans, like the Chickasaw and the Seminoles.

"So much of the native populations were wiped out...out there". I'm having a real hard time finding the relevance of this remark. We had an entire war with Indians in the west, many battles in which we got our asses handed to us. Many dying from small pox has no effect on whether or not the Sioux (like many tribes) killed and enslaved thousands of other Indians. The Sioux are a fierce mascot for North Dakota not only because of their geographic relevance, but also because of their aggressive, hawk-ish reputation.

Edit: And to your first point, no. Because it's a name. I'd move on with my life because it affects zero people in any way, shape, or form unless they allow it to do so. If someone named a team the Nazi's no Jews or Gypsies or Polish people would be harmed physically, or fiscally, nor would they be suddenly oppressed. Then the free market would probably force that team out of business since most people would not support them financially.

Needs

June 23rd, 2016 at 3:24 PM ^

The Sioux weren't even on the territory west of the Missouri River until the 17th century at the earliest. They head out there from the area west of Ojibwe territory when the Comanche started trading horses up to the Mandan villages and the Ojibwe push west.

The idea that they enslaved and killed hundreds of thousands of other native people is a claim that I've never heard any scholar of American Indian history make, and lord knows, there's been a lot of scholarship on the Lakota. 

Gulogulo37

June 23rd, 2016 at 9:37 PM ^

The point is we have almost no idea how many pre-European Native Americans there were, so throwing out really large numbers like hundreds of thousands of slaves prima facie appears to be completely pulled out of your ass.

I also specifically say white people weren't the only ones to have ever waged war and enslaved people, so quit reading a bunch of PC stuff into my post that I didn't say.

Lastly, the idea that words don't matter is at best ignorant. I don't think you'd just shrug off people calling your mom a whore.

gwkrlghl

June 23rd, 2016 at 2:23 PM ^

I mean where can you go though from the Sioux logo. Probably one of the top 5-10 mascot logos in college sports. Really a shame they couldn't keep using it

mjv

June 23rd, 2016 at 11:15 AM ^

The FSU and the Seminole Tribe of Florida have an extremely deep relationship.  There is no threat of that mascot changing.  And frankly, FSU is going about it in the exactly correct manner.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/florida-states-unusual-bond-with-seminole-tribe-puts-mascot-debate-in-a-different-light/2014/12/29/5386841a-8eea-11e4-ba53-a477d66580ed_story.html 

mgoblue0970

June 23rd, 2016 at 1:33 PM ^

Gotta love the, ahem, "journalistic" liberties taken in that piece... "unusual bond".

They just could have focused on the relationship.  Had to characterize it to suit their agenda.

gwkrlghl

June 23rd, 2016 at 2:26 PM ^

I never saw guys at games with headdresses or a single feather in their hair or warpaint or doing the tomahawk chop or any of that. People understood they were the Sioux and wore their Sioux jerseys with pride. It has never once come across as some type of demeaning practice (at North Dakota specifically)