OT: Live NCAA Tournament Thread
March 28th, 2015 at 12:52 AM ^
That must be brutal.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:37 AM ^
I can't help but think that Izzo could have done some real damage with our team this year. Maybe not win the big ten, but at least get us into the NIT (maybe NCAA).
Sorry, it's time like this where I'm reminded that we just need to wait for Izzo to retire before we can claim any sort of superiority of MSU.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:38 AM ^
March 28th, 2015 at 12:44 AM ^
He's won 3 straight against us.
That probably has something to do with us losing our top two guards for the season don't you think. If Izzo was such a coach that is so superior then why were we in overtime against them at he Breslin with guys like Dakich playing on the floor for us?
Dakich played 1/3 of that game.
Also the absolutely comical foul on MAAR on that rebound changed the entire game.
And then at home, he gets called on a couple more weak fouls early.
Spike had a three that somehow rimmed out or else we got up 7 and win.
...certainly were a big factor in our results this season. More consistent recruiting would remedy the situation to a certain extent. Remember, we were playing like ass before we lost Walton and Levert.
Let me be clear, I like JB and I don't want him fired - I want him here as long as he wants to be. Still, its hard for me think that we couldn't piece something together to get into the NIT.
Piece something together? Did you see our roster this year? Our eight-man rotation included 5 freshman and a walk-on.
We were doing fine right before they went out.
We were winning closes games with them. They go out, we lost close games. Ughh, I think its pretty clear we would have won about 4-5 more games if both or at least one were healthy.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:44 AM ^
walking to the train from the Steiner Sports Complex in New Rochelle, who do I pass on the street but mf Big Pussy!
He was kind of working the Chin Gigante vibe, sans bathrobe.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:48 AM ^
There's no way Izzo would have our team anywhere more than what Beilein did when we were forced to ply guys like Dakich and Lonergan to spell Spike and his hip. Did you forget about the three years before this year and the domination of Izzo by Beilein with less heralded players? Superior coach my ass.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:57 AM ^
Overall, I think JB is a superior basketball mind compared to Izzo, but JB just doesn't recruit consistently enough. This is where Izzo is clearly dominant.
If he recruits so well, why has he had like 1 non-senior first round pick in 8 years.
Beilein wanted Valentine and settled for Stauskas. Let that sink in.
One guy was the #8 pick, the only guy will be lucky to be even drafted and play in the NBA.
Dawson was ranked higher than all our players - four years later he is not even on the NBA radar.
Trice - no chance at the NBA
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I just think Izzo is a more consistent recruiter. He has has some injuries, some very significant (maybe not as bad as us), but he always seems to plug someone else in, teach them up and look good doing it. His results speak for himself.
It just seems that way.
Burke was in the same recruiting class as Trice. Probably similarly ranked. One became National Player of the Year and won every other award known to man. He would be a senior. Big Ten Player of the year as well. Top Ten NBA Pick.
Stauskas - same class as Valentine. People will pretend its not true, but Valentine was more highly touted and someone Beilein recruited hard. One guy will be lucky to ever make the NBA as a second round pick. Stauskas Top 10 NBA pick.
Dawson ranked higher than all our players except for maybe McGary. He was a McDonalds All-American. Stays 4 years and will be lucky to play in the NBA. Too small and can't shoot.
He is able to plug in guys because his higher ranked recruits don't pan out as NBA players.
I'm pretty sure you're just making stuff up. Trey was a borderline Top-100 four-star recruit who won PARADE All-American honors, the Mr. Basketball award, and started for All-Ohio Red. Trice was nowhere near Top-100 or four-star status, nowhere near winning any sort of All-American honors, and didn't even finish in the top three in the Mr. Basketball voting.
Stauskas was ranked higher than Valentine by every single recruiting service except Scout.
I'm not sure where you're getting this stuff.
Trey was going to Penn State because no one wanted him. Keep pretending like he was a hot commodity. He was no sure-fire recruit.
Beilein wanted Valentine and settled for Stauskas.
These guys were developed.
Both were top 10 picks within two years. The highly ranked MSU guys are on nobody's NBA radar. Still.
I'm not "pretending like he was a hot commodity." I'm responding to your nonsensical claims. You know this information is publicly accessible, right? It takes two seconds of googling to fact-check before you post...
The big knock against Izzo is that he doesn't recruit at a level commensurate with his on-court successes. Sure, every once and a while he nabs a Gary Harris or (years ago) a Z-Bo, but usually he gets guys like Dawson or Appling, big-enough recruits who never come close to developing into NBA players so they stick around for 4 years. That's how Izzo teams do so well - they tend to be top-heavy outfits in a sport that is littered with younger teams. His system wears you down over a season, and in the end his best teams are ones that just grind down the opposition with bigger, more physically mature teams. But Izzo is not some amazing recruiter.
Beilein had this team as competitive as any coach in the country would.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:37 AM ^
March 28th, 2015 at 12:46 AM ^
So does Beilein. The problem is, he develops them so well that the NBA wants them when 2 years earlier, mid-P5 college teams did not even want them.
Izzo on the other hand, has mastered the art of strategically not developing his guys very well.
We missed out on the NIT. They play on in the elite 8. This is what butthurt feels like
March 28th, 2015 at 10:05 AM ^
March 28th, 2015 at 11:32 AM ^
fuck off sparty troll
March 28th, 2015 at 12:39 AM ^
If Virginia played like that and we were playing like we did in the BTT I think we could beat them but yeah Oklahoma and Georgia are pretty bad. We wouldn't get past Duke, Arizona, Gonzaga or Kentucky. MSU won't either. Too bad they aren't going to play them until next week.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:47 AM ^
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Nice win by MSU. I was rooting for them. They haven't played a good team yet, but that's the luck of the draw.
Well, before I went to Michigan I rooted for both teams. Liked seeing the local Flint guys win the NC back in the day. We will be better than them next year regardless.
Why do people keep saying this? If Virginia was so terrible why did they lose 3 games all season? How were they 28-1 at one point? Why did everyone have them in the final 4? These excuses are getting old. Izzo is good. Not lucky. You don't luck your way to EIGHT elite eights!
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Doesn't seem like it this year.
this Gonzaga squad is for real. Tough team, tough matchups for most teams they might face.
The Gonzaga-Duke winner has a cakewalk to the Title Game.
The two worst teams are playing in the worst game in the East Region.
Its pretty sad that Arizona was slotted where they were. They should be in that East Region and everything would be good.
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ND and MSU still being in this thing is a nightmare. Did not see WSU losing to ND...
OU didn't piss this game away. Michigan State played tough in the second half and won; plain and simple. Just like Kansas didn't piss the game away when we squeeked past them. People in this thread acting like MSU was handed a free pass to the elite 8 are ridiculous.
Tough year for us. If you think we'd be in Elite 8 with MSU's bracket, you are redirecting sunshine from Mercury.
It's just people venting. Been a tough year. I have family I have to see this weekend who are MSU grads, going to suck! But I have learned to be congratulatory, it makes it easier. ANd I will admit, Izzo is a good coach, I am flabbergasted they are in the Elite 8, it just doesn't compute, that team was not very good until the last 3 weeks.
What can you say? Fuck MSU, but they are living pretty large lately.
A joke of a team in Georgia
A Virginia team that lost 2 of their last 3 and it was obvious they were going to flame out. That program blows in the tournament setting. Instead of facing dangerous 2 seeds Duke, Gonzaga, or Arizona, they get the worst of all of them in Virginia.
A joke of a team in Oklahoma.
A murderers row right there.
Wisconsin has to beat Arizona and Kentucky just to make the fucking title game. And they are a #1 seed.
Georgia was a 10 seed. They were supposed to lose. Yet, they had an RPI of 37, FWIW.
Viriginia did lose 2 of their last 3. They lost to Louisville and NC. One team is is in the E8 and one was in the S16 and certainly had the talent the beat UW, but fell a little short. Keep in mind Justin Anderson didn't play against Lousville. He certainly wasn't full strength against UNC and probably wasn't against MSU, either. However, they lost 3 games ALL year. The only thougher 2 seed in my mind was Arizona. Unfortunately, UW has to face off against them. But who cares who UW has to beat to reach the title game. Why does that matter. Did UW have a tougher draw to the last 32? Because that's where MSU should have failed.
If you think OU is a joke of team, that pretty much is a tell all. You know nothing about college basketball outside fo the B10. I'm done carrying MSU's banner. Good night. Lot's of spoiled milk in this thread.
Calling Oklahoma a joke is just plain stupid and ignorant. Hield is the real deal B12 POtY, they beat Iowa State and Kansas in recent weeks, and earned a high seeding in the tourney. They average in the high 70s and prefer games in the 80s. MSU came out in the 2nd half and simply shut down their offense - i think they only made 4 or 5 fgs in the last 12-14 minutes of the game...rest of their points came from the line. Every shot was contested and despite Hield's attempt at heroics, Trice and Valentine hit their Free throws and those two alone outsocred OU in the 2nd half.
That Trice kid is this year's Napier. He just refuses to lose games. I think they''ll beat Louisville somewhat easily in another ugly game, say 62-50. Then either Duke or the Zags will truck them in Indy, but if you're an MSU fan, do you really care at that point? You got a final four in a rebuilding year? If they do make it any farther it will be 100% because of Trice. That kid is just fun to watch, doesn't talk trash like some assholes out there, and makes big shots. Dawson is an enigma to me. He looks like he should be getting 15 an 15 every night, but his head seems to wander. odd.
And i'm sorry, but that OU bench was a goddamned clown show. saw sparties comparing it to Baylor's bench in the Cotton Bowl and thought that was pretty apropos. Not the classiest bunch down there in Norman. But make no mistake, they are a very very good team who blitzed MSU to start, took their foot off for a second, and then MSU did what they do - turned the tables, played stout D and just didn't quit fighting. Frankly I give guys like Trice and Costello more credit than Izzo for that. They just said Fuck this. We're not done yet.
And they aren't. No reason to make shit up about selection conspiracies (you guys do know that Hollis isn't in the room when MSU is discussed, right? just like how all the other ADs and coaches on the committee leave the room when their school is up?) and other nonsense about MSU always having the easiest road. The studio crew noted that no one on CBB history has beaten more higher seeds than Izzo - he's 12-9 when a lower seed in tourney games. that's an NCAA record. The guy knows how to turn these teams around and focus them. I don't know how...but he does. Give them credit. It's great for the conference - one that was bashed pretty hard this year - to have the chance to take two teams to the Final Four. That'd be pretty special. My friends patted me ont he back and said "I don't like it all that much, but good like tonight man" with a smile when we were playing for the whole enchilada. why do we have to be such whiny bitches about their success? It's sad and reflects poorly on us all.
Trice is a little prick that couldn't even tip his hat to us when we curbstomped him 3 times in a row and 4 of 6. He mouthed off and said "We (his team) are the better team" when they won nothing.
But yeah he is a pure class act like you say.
Meanwhile Beilein continually praised everything about MSU this season and is pure class.
Meanwhile Izzo is happy that we had injuries. None of our guys returned. Theirs did.
Stop fucking pretending like they are playing any kind of a tough bracket.
Wisconsin-Arizona should be a potential Title game Matchup and not an Elite Eight matchup meanwhile the East Region has the two absolute worst teams left.
The insecurity is just out of control.
A player unable to tip his hat to the other team when they beat him multiples. Instead he whines about how he is still better.
A coach to the same media who still picks him to win every matchup even with all his injuries and hardships after he loses again - Well, you guys wanted a rivalry, you got it
Those are examples of insecurity.
Beilein has been gracious towards opponents especially Michigan State. Praised them continously and he has to answer stupid questions like whether the rivalry has lost its luster because he has injured players. Meanwhile, when Izzo had injuries the same media picked him to still win every matchup and never insulted him asking him about the rivalary losing luster (even though he had been owned for going on 4 years)
My lord, you are really stretching. Somehow on your insane mind you have made MSU "insecure" because the media picks it to win. You make it seem like MSU controls the media, because otherwise you have no point.
In case you are wondering why MSU is picked and treated differently, perhaps you should look at MSU and Izzo's record over the past 20 years. Picking MSU is usally a good choice, and elite programs usually get treated differently...they have earned it.