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|1 year 35 weeks ago||Last year they were the 4||
Last year they were the 4 seed that upset #1 seed UVA in the Sweet 16 - but then ran into the buzzsaw of UConn and Napier in the E8 and lost to eventual Champion Huskies. Was that region gerry rigged for that to happen ahead of that game so a 7 seed could get to the final four?
I remember that crazy 2005 run - they played Duke, UNC and Kentucky - that KY game was Double OT iirc. they were all 1 or 2 seeds.
the Ford Field FF they beat the overall #1 Louisville that no one on earth thought they could beat, then took to Stanley Johnson and Uconn, another #1 seed in the FF, then lost to #1 UNC in the Title game. Oh, and they beat #3 Kansas before Louisville. MSU has played just about every seed combo you can in this tourney over the years. They've had a break here and there, but they've also beaten a lot of really good teams. You don't make two FFs as a 5 seed without upsets. if he gets his 7th FF as a 7 seed, it may just be his best coaching job yet. Which is a tad disconcerting bc I was under the impression they were trending downward and he was starting that retirement slide. Gonna really suck if we have to deal with another decade of this shit.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Calling Oklahoma a joke is||
Calling Oklahoma a joke is just plain stupid and ignorant. Hield is the real deal B12 POtY, they beat Iowa State and Kansas in recent weeks, and earned a high seeding in the tourney. They average in the high 70s and prefer games in the 80s. MSU came out in the 2nd half and simply shut down their offense - i think they only made 4 or 5 fgs in the last 12-14 minutes of the game...rest of their points came from the line. Every shot was contested and despite Hield's attempt at heroics, Trice and Valentine hit their Free throws and those two alone outsocred OU in the 2nd half.
That Trice kid is this year's Napier. He just refuses to lose games. I think they''ll beat Louisville somewhat easily in another ugly game, say 62-50. Then either Duke or the Zags will truck them in Indy, but if you're an MSU fan, do you really care at that point? You got a final four in a rebuilding year? If they do make it any farther it will be 100% because of Trice. That kid is just fun to watch, doesn't talk trash like some assholes out there, and makes big shots. Dawson is an enigma to me. He looks like he should be getting 15 an 15 every night, but his head seems to wander. odd.
And i'm sorry, but that OU bench was a goddamned clown show. saw sparties comparing it to Baylor's bench in the Cotton Bowl and thought that was pretty apropos. Not the classiest bunch down there in Norman. But make no mistake, they are a very very good team who blitzed MSU to start, took their foot off for a second, and then MSU did what they do - turned the tables, played stout D and just didn't quit fighting. Frankly I give guys like Trice and Costello more credit than Izzo for that. They just said Fuck this. We're not done yet.
And they aren't. No reason to make shit up about selection conspiracies (you guys do know that Hollis isn't in the room when MSU is discussed, right? just like how all the other ADs and coaches on the committee leave the room when their school is up?) and other nonsense about MSU always having the easiest road. The studio crew noted that no one on CBB history has beaten more higher seeds than Izzo - he's 12-9 when a lower seed in tourney games. that's an NCAA record. The guy knows how to turn these teams around and focus them. I don't know how...but he does. Give them credit. It's great for the conference - one that was bashed pretty hard this year - to have the chance to take two teams to the Final Four. That'd be pretty special. My friends patted me ont he back and said "I don't like it all that much, but good like tonight man" with a smile when we were playing for the whole enchilada. why do we have to be such whiny bitches about their success? It's sad and reflects poorly on us all.
|1 year 36 weeks ago||Uhm, i'm not sure where you||
Uhm, i'm not sure where you get your statistical information, but that could not be farther from the truth. of all coaches with his length of tenure Izzo has the top PASE (performance against seed expectation) in all of CBB. IIRC, Brad Stevens' percentage was slightly better, but only after 4 or 5 years. Izzo is above K, Roy, Self, etc. He's taken two 5 seeds to the final four for god's sake.
It's also worth noting that Beilein is right up there with him, just with a smaller sample. But they are both among the top ten tourney coaches in basketball. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean you need to make shit up.
|2 years 5 weeks ago||(No subject)||
|2 years 5 weeks ago||two questions: Are we just||
two questions: Are we just choosing not to believe John H. when he said publicly he has no desire to coach any college program, specifically Michigan? Has something changed there? Seems like a pipe dream at this point for either Harbaugh as we can't match NFL $$.
I find it interesting no one has mentioned Cam Cameron. Not saying he's the best option, but he and Miles are the two left from the Carr tree that are viable candidates....and he seems far more likely to entertain the idea. Could do a lot worse (like Brady Hoke!). Is the consensus that we will actively go AWAY from the "michigan man" crap?
|2 years 5 weeks ago||i don't know....what's he||
i don't know....what's he supposed to do? EVERY YEAR ABC/ESPN does a spotlight on the whole thing and it always starts and finishes w/ Mike's comments - they showed it again this year. Seemed to me he was saying after the game that he's sick of it too. The media has latched onto it and refuses to let it go. He talks about it because he gets asked about it every goddamned year.
Hey coach, do you think the little brother thing has been turned around now? Hey coach, do Mike Hart's comments still upset you? As much as he can be an expressionless dbag, all that stuff comes from the media and he's kind of forced to respond at some point. He sounded awfully tired of all the BS to me.
The fact remains is he's a good coach who has transformed MSU into one of the top 2 programs in the conference. They'll probably go to the CCG again this year - 3 out of 4 since it started. Meanwhile our coach can't complete a sentence, resorts to all kinds of bizarre motivational tricks, and flat out refuses to develop a single recruit into the player his potential suggested he might be. All intense rivalries have petty nonsense that goes on....what's sad is we have NOTHING to look forward to. There is not one single positive out of that game for Michigan. We're his bitch right now, and until we do something to change it, he's free to do and say whatever he wants. *shrug*
|2 years 5 weeks ago||exactly. how is it "running||
exactly. how is it "running up the score" when we just scored, went for two, had an OC acting like we just took the lead in a hard faught close game, and then went for the onside kick? They ran 7 running plays all right at our OL. They said, "oh, you want to keep playing, okay, let's play." Turns out they can play better than us.
Bitching about Dantonio "running up the score" is the problem with this program right now....always focused on the wrong thing. lets just be mad at dumbtonio and make him the bad guy for being all mean and scoring again!! What a dick!! How about instead we focus on the fact that we got our shit pushed in for the 2nd year in a row and are LUCKY it was only 35-11. Cook was off today and they had two turnovers that helped us out. If they played a sharper game it would have been closer to 49-3 a la 2002.
But go ahead and keep on focusing on tangents that don't matter if it helps you sleep at night and just ignore the systemic problems that are the reason we suck right now. STUPID DUMBTONIO!! HE'S SO MEAN AND DOESN'T SMILE!! WHAT A DICK!!! AND HIS PLAYERS GET BETTER EVERY YEAR!!! THEN THEY BEAT US!!!! I HATE HIM!!!!
|2 years 5 weeks ago||i saw that earlier. That's||
i saw that earlier. That's an extremely strong dose of reality to the Wolverine faithful. Read that. Then read it again. it should make you very very angry. Because Michigan is becoming a laughingstock. This isn't an off year under Richrod. this is a program wide implosion. This is Tennessee sinking into total irrelevance. And the worst part is every word of that piece is spot on. Hoke is a bumbling idiot and this team barely seems to care.
|2 years 5 weeks ago||here's an idea, instead of||
here's an idea, instead of gimmicks, big talk, taunting them, putting a stake on their field, and otherwise acting like buffoons after having gotten their asses KICKED last year - why not make a statement by, I don't know.....playing good defense on the first possession and forcing a three and out and taking the wind out of their sails? You know....PLAYING FOOTBALL?!?!??!
Instead, what happens? They ran it down our throats, and Connor Fucking Cook truckes Hill at the 5 and Langford scores on the next play and the game is essentially over before it started. I understanding wanting to be motivated, but when you have to resort to this kind of assinine crap to do so against a team like MSU, one that totally embarrassed you a year ago and talks now like you don't matter, the only motivation you should need is to shut them up by taking it to them on the field. This is as bad - if not worse - than GERG's stuffed animal party a few years ago, and that was goddamned embarrassing. Every news outlet in America is laughing at Michigan right now. BTN eviscerated us on the Final Drive tonight, declaring it's no longer a relevant program, but instead a "Drama program." Hoke sounds like a goddamned moron in his press conference, making JLS look like Socrates with his bumbling "not fully aware" nonsense.
It's all pathetic peurile bullshit that starts at the top and has infested this program with some weird delusional view of the world where this team thinks they can just show up, score 13 or 14 points, and somehow win football games. No one tries, half the team looks lost, Funchess has one foot out the door and he's in for a rude awakening since NFL teams actually require their TEs to block and run routes and catch, and Devin somehow, inexplicably, seems to get worse every week. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!?!?!?! This stake is meaningless in terms of the MSU rivalry. They'll probably continue to kick our asses for a couple of more years until we - pray to jesus - clean house and get the right staff in here to rebuild and actually coach players to play football properly. But that stake is so pathetically aproppos of the state of Hoke and this program that all I can do is laugh. It wasn't staking a claim, it was the final stake in the heart of this 7 year nightmare of Rich Rod and Brady. It was CLEARLY choreographed and someone on that staff decided it was a good idea. And whoever it was is so unbelievably misguided and misses the point so badly that I'm just fucking embarrassed by it all. And you all should be to. Of course Dantonio is annoyed. we would be. If MSU walked into the Big House in 2006 and did this we'd be laughing our asses off at their idiocy after trouncing them yet again. This is the same thing, because this rivalry has done a complete 180, and it's not going to be fixed in a year. SIX OUT OF SEVEN people. I'm sick and fucking tired of it. I don't want jumping around, stakes, or anything else. I want a competent football team that can do something other than show up to practice on time and have a good pregame meal.
|2 years 5 weeks ago||well BTN was on it....here's||
well BTN was on it....here's the video of it. how bizarre. it's some kind of long stake or something. and once again the entire nation is laughing at Michigan for doing something stupid. smdh.
|2 years 5 weeks ago||that would require winning a||
that would require winning a minimum of two more games. so not happening.
|2 years 5 weeks ago||how can you not see the||
how can you not see the difference between a studen prank during the game week - something we've done many times with the Sparty statue over the years - and something done by PLAYERS on a rivals home field right before kick off in a game where we are a 17 point underdog? Apples and oranges, and for me the final straw that Hoke is not only an idiot, he has no control of this team whatsoever. Funchess is mailing it in, Devin barely moves in the pocket. They put Shane in for ONE PLAY then yank him to let Gardner finish because they changed their minds? Hill gets trucked by Cook early, then schooled by Lippett for a 70 yard TD. Kalis is a turnstile. and now Bolden is planting a stake or whatever into the head of the Spartan at midfield to piss off a team that has been beating our sasses.
Lack of institutional control. This program is in total and complete dissarray. Hoke has to go.
|2 years 5 weeks ago||Exactly. Sadly the||
Exactly. Sadly the scoreboard matters at this point, especially with the Big Ten sucking ass and MSU and OSU needing to do whatever they can to boost their resume when playing shit teams like US. We and everyone else gave them crap about only beating Purdue by two TDs. It's not hard to see why they'd want to cover the spread and make the score look more like the reality on the field than it did. Face it, it probably should have been a lot worse than 35-11. They screwed themselves a couple of times and we only got points from turnovers. all the committee will do is look at resumes, and 35-11 looks a hell of a lot better than 28-11.
And I can't believe we're talking about MSU being in the playoff conversation, while we need a freaking miracle to get to get to some shit bowl at 6-6.
|2 years 5 weeks ago||I simply can't get past the||
I simply can't get past the fact that Mr. Clap Clap Clap claims to not have been "fully aware" of the spear. wtf does that even mean? what IS he aware of other than the pregame meal menu and eating and practicing on time?!??!
This sounds a lot like Bobby Williams after 49-3. Didn't he get fired that Monday? We can only hope the same happens here....
|2 years 13 weeks ago||i'm just reserving||
i'm just reserving celebration until we show progress vs. a real team. This was not a real team - they are a bad FCS team that most schools would trounce. It's GREAT to get the monkey off our back and all, but in the end we really don't KNOW anything yet. Let's not start sucking each other off just yet.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||i don't want to rain on the||
i don't want to rain on the parade, but is no one a tad concerned with how well Golson played today? And then, well, there's this... http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=332430130
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Whether it's excessive or not||
Whether it's excessive or not is irrelevant. the rule states that the new school has to be within 100 miles from home (I believe that's the number...it may be even closer). Since they are in Chicago a number of schools fit that requirement, but AA is over 250 and therefore does not. It's pretty cut and dry really and while there's no reason not to appeal just in case, I wouldn't hold my breath. They're pretty black and white with this kind of stuff. 110 miles? Sure. 2.5x the rule? No way.
So we just have to hope that DG truly has gotten some speed back and is capabable of getting beyond the LOS in less than 3 seconds unlike last year.
|2 years 37 weeks ago||uhm...you do realize that||
uhm...you do realize that this MSU team shoots more threes than any Izzo has ever had and went 2 for 17 from 3 yesterday, right? tired legs is hardly an excuse when it fits them better than us. And it's pretty obvious that the only reason they finished 8-7 was that they didn't have their normal rotation of players for the entire conference slate.
Do you really think we win both those games if Dawson was playing and Appling was healthy? This whining is pretty pathetic. MSU is damned good and hitting their stride at just the right time - a lot like Louisville last year, another team that EVERYONE picked to win it all, and guess what? they did! It wasn't surprising to see a lot of MSU/L'ville finals picked. We will struggle with any team that has a decent big. But we can also go far if Nik is on. But that's a lot to ask one guy, while MSU has shown they have multiple players that can take over a game.
I just don't see the point of all the whining other than simple jealousy and immature little brother nonsense. It's like i'm reading tRCMB during FB season!
|3 years 1 week ago||ooof. looks like we all got||
looks like we all got some Mojitos coming! and a lot of hats and shoes need to be eaten! lol. Man this thread makes me sad. so much hope 4 months ago. ugh.
|3 years 1 week ago||I think we'll be in the Texas||
I think we'll be in the Texas Bowl actually. not sure why they have Minny in the lowest bowl when they'll finish ahead of us and iowa in the division. Name recognition I guess, and they'll only have one more win than us so I guess that's it. Sucks for them though, and frankly i'd rather play Kansas State than Mississippi.
|3 years 1 week ago||158 yards of offense.||
158 yards of offense. 158!!!!!!!! That' is absolutely pathetic. the ONLY reason we weren't blown out 24-3 is that Iowa did their damndest to outsuck Michigan. That's how far we've fallen...struggling to gain 200 yards of offense every week. It's beyond bad. Green's no better than Fitz w/ 23 yards on 11 carries - he's slow as mollasses. Gardner w/ 3.5 yards per pass?!?!? That's ABYSMAL. And for as good a receiver as Funchess is, he's a horrid blocker - he simply doesn't even try to do it. That wouldn't be so bad if he was a WR, but he's still playing TE and his inability to block anyone is a huge problem that hasn't gotten enough attention. He had another awful day today.
So here we are, with our only shot to get to 8 wins being drawing a shit opponent in the Texas bowl. Pathetic. This staff is simply in over its head.
|3 years 1 week ago||It rotates, with BTN getting||
It rotates, with BTN getting first choice a few weeks a year. So some weeks games you'd expect on ABC/ESPN are on BTN and vice versa.
and as others have noted: MSU and Wisky are on ESPN today, w/ OSU on ABC. Like it or not, those are the top 3 teams in the conference. History means diddly squat in terms of who gets what slots at this time of year. Jockeying for the BW3 and Texas Bowls is hardly a marquee matchup.
|3 years 4 weeks ago||and they have back ups who||
and they have back ups who are already studs ready to replace them. Ed Davis had 2.5 sacks saturday and Taiwan Jones has played a lot at LB and is a beast. Lawrence Thomas will be healthy, Trae Waynes and Demtreious Cox are excellent in the secondary.
As someone else said, we've been claiming MSU's D would take a step back since Greg Jones left, and all they've done is get better year after year. They lost Gholston and replaced him with Calhoun - who is a freaking beast. The one exception i think is Bullough - that dude is a machine who not only plays well but is a computer back there reading the O and getting guys in the right spot . I watched him a lot and he's the heart of that D - that is tough to replace. but as far as talent? Nothing that we've seen in the last 5 years suggests they'll be anything less than intimidating and tough to score on. And I don't buy for a second that the D is all on Narduzzi - Dantonio built that defense, and whether or not Narduzzi leaves they will still be a top D.
Meanwhile, where is the development of our guys? They have 2 and 3 stars becoming all americans, we have 4 and 5 stars that aren't even playing, let alone playing. Where's our Shilique Calhoun?
|3 years 4 weeks ago||This is the stupidest over||
This is the stupidest over reaction of them all today. Yes we got our asses KICKED. but we've lost 5 of 6 to Sparty and it hasn't hurt recruiting one iota under Hoke. Recruiting is not our problem, coaching is. All this sky is falling and worrying about recruits bailing because of one bad loss is stupid. If a kid is going to decommit or not commit because of one game then we don't want him anyway. We should want kids who want to be here no matter what, not glory hound divas. All the latter gets you is disappointment. look at Texas and Notre Dame.
|3 years 4 weeks ago||That's not really true.||
That's not really true. Langford looks pretty damned good to me - he's fast and strong. Burbridge is the real deal. That Kings kid is good. The Shelton kid is a true frosh I think. They are VERY young on offense so guys will emerge. They lost a TON the last two years and are starting to recover. Was it Fred Smith that went to them? He would be a senior this year I think. I don't think a single WR other than Fowler is above RS Soph - same for their Tight Ends and RBs. Coupled with the improvement Cook has shown since looking like a dumpster fire the first few weeks and I have no reason to believe they'll do anything but improve on O.
D is another story, but we've been saying they'll take a step back there for 3 years now too. They just keep finding new guys to plug in. Bullough did for Jones - that Ed Davis kid got to Devin a few times today and looks to be very good. And don't they have like 2 or 3 other Bullough kids there or on the way? I seem to remember Max saying his little brother was the best of them all. That's kind of scary to imagine. That kid is going to play on Sundays.
|3 years 4 weeks ago||and he had the audacity to||
and he had the audacity to say THIS after the game?!?!
@chengelis Taylor Lewan when asked how tough is Shilique Calhoun: "He's not. They only put him on me a couple times... didn't really have a problem"
-48 yards rushing and Devin couldn't stand up by the end of the game and you didn't really have a problem?!?!? WTF? Take some responsibility. Admit you got your ass kicked. Be a MAN. And Calhoun is the perfect representative for all that is wrong here. They lose Gholston, who is supposed to be the best guy on D, and the replacement is some no name who is BETTER. That's frightening to me. We sure as hell haven't been able to do that in a long long time.
|3 years 4 weeks ago||yep||
I'm sick and tired of recruiting championships. I want to see Big Ten Championships. nothing but promises and lip service from Hoke and Co for 3 years and we get manhandled by a bunch of 3 stars who show heart, discipline, and speed all over the damned field. They are simply a better coached team at every level. That's extremely dispiriting.
They have young guys on their lines too....but they play well. and they aren't five stars like Kalis - who looks like he's still in high school out there. We have serious problems and it starts with the coaches.
|3 years 4 weeks ago||MSU has won more||
MSU has won more in-conference game than any other Big Ten team in the last 5 years. I'd say that's something. and can we really cast stones like "4-11" when we're 2-10 vs. tOSU in the last 12?
The simple fact is that he's done an incredible job turning that program around - and has done so with largely "inferior" talent. Leveon Bell was a 2 star, Dennard was a 2 star...hell, the vast majority of that crazy good D is made up of 2 and 3 stars. Sadly, he realized that both MSU and u of M being good aren't mutually exclusive and we have a situation where both programs are rising. While it makes it harder to beat them, overall i think it's great for the rivalry and great for the State of Michigan. I don't see why we have to result to making stuff up to disparage them....there's plenty of reasons to do that. They DID play OSU the 4 out of the last 6 years before getting them off the schedule this year. How easily we forget that we got the benefit of not having to face Wisconsin when they were going to Rose Bowls.
|3 years 4 weeks ago||For the record, if you look||
For the record, if you look at past results they actually only avoided OSU in 2009 and 2010. They played them from 2003-07, and 2011/12. Sure they lost most of them, but the FACT is that they played 8 of the last 10 years.
I hate that people here have to resort to lies to make their points. You guys do realize we lucked out by missing back to back champions Wisconsin the last two years, right? You can only play who's in front of you. The reality is they beat OSU in their down year and then lost by a point last year, AND went 3-1 vs. Wisky in that time w/ the one loss in that glorious CCG.
It's fine to hate Sparty...we all do. but lets keep the facts straight.
|3 years 31 weeks ago||This may be difficult for you||
This may be difficult for you to comprehend, but players actually improve from freshman to soph seasons. Especially when they were injured for most of their freshman year. an Improved Harris is a scary thought, and Valentine showed some pretty heady game in the last few weeks of the season. He's very good.
Why is it so difficult to give them credit? you sound like the tyipcal rcmb whiners who bag on Mcgary for being old. And Trey was a 3 star....stars don't mean shit. Players play...doesn't matter how many stars they were arbitrarily labeled with in high school.