OT- Interesting look at Recruits' CFB Memories
Bud Elliott, the Recruiting guru of SBNation/EDSBS, released a pretty interesting piece today which was designed to show the most recent memories of current college recruits.
Basically the formatitive football years for recruits have seen Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, and Florida State dominate. Not much of a surprise that they dominate recruiting rankings.
It does show the uphill battle Michigan has been facing, and honestly made the success Michigan has had all the more impressive on the recruiting trail. There's almost no chance a high school junior knows anything about Charles Woodson, Tom Brady, Drew henson, Braylon Edwards, Mike Hart, Henne, and all the other great players on the 2006 team. The Rich Rod Hoke years coincided with ages 8-14, when a lot of players make early judgements on teams.
Thought it was a cool look, and also shows why 2019 is looking like an even more exciting recruiting year than the past couple years.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2017/5/22/15670628/…
What would be cooler is a link to said piece...
*EDIT* Thanks ;-)
Must start beating OSU.
Yeah, we're the guys who had Denard Robinson, at the earliest. They don't remember further back than that.
So we're the team that just recently started getting good. This team needs some star power haha; particularly on offense.
Evans, DPJ, Peters, Black, etc. please come down!
Don't tell me they don't know Tom Brady... not buying that one.
Everybody on the planet knows Tom Brady. However, I bet most of UM's recruits have no idea who Braylon Edwards is and the significance of the #1 jersey.
Hello from Pakistan. I assure you, not everyone on the planet knows Tom Brady.
/pedantry
He is the GOAT, though.
Good analogy: I'm 37. I certainly know who Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and John Elway are--the great QBs of my youth.
I remember them as a 49er, a Dolphin, and a Bronco respectively. The only detail I have on their college careers is very occasional archival footage. I vaguely know that Montana led a Cotton Bowl comeback, and of course that Michigan played against him. I saw some footage of Elway in that Cal vs. the Band game, but that was tertiary. I know even less about Marino.
It doesn't move the needle for their respective schools at all. Brady is great for us, and there is a small connection, but a current or recent recruit will barely be able to connect him to Michigan at all.
Bud Elliot is a Florida State homer and him lumping FSU in with OSU, Bama, etc is hilarious. Here's FSU record every year from 2000-2012 before the current senior recruits entered high school in 2013.
8-4, 9-5, 10-3, 9-3, 8-5, 7-6, 7-6, 9-4, 7-6, 10-4, 9-4.
Florida State is 59-9, with a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, 3 ACC titles, and an appearance in 5 NY6 bowls. So from 7th grade-Now. If you go back 2 years further, to when Jimbo took over, the record is 68-17. He may very well be a Florida State homer, but he's also not wrong.
He is wrong. I'm not talking about the last 5 years, I'm talking about their "formative years" which begin well before HS. So they got good right before this current senior class entered high school. Cool story. They were not good the decade before that, which is the point of the article.
entered middle school, 4 programs have a winning percentage of .800 or higher.
Florida State
Ohio State
Alabama
Clemson.
Each of those 4 has a title. And no you fucking idiot, the article is about how the decade prior doesn't matter. The point is they got consistently good, and consistently good for the past 7 years is more important than on and off for the last 17 years. I bet half the recruits being recruited by them don't know who Bobby Bowdon is until at least taking a FSU visit.
You're coming on a bit harshly here, but given the "formative years" frame of reference I generally agree.
Highschool and eigth grade are pretty formative years. Even more reason why another 10-3 or a 12-2 season will help restore our image. A national championship rights the ship pretty quickly.
You beat me to the WL records. But FSU will get a look from almost every elite recruit because of location, relaxed academics and free shoes.
Never forget the free crabs
Guess I should have refreshed my browser before commenting...
If these recruits don't know/remember/care what happened before they were in middle school, how many good seasons does a program need to get back?...3 years, 4 years, 6 years? Is it ever concievable that Michigan will out-recruit Bama or OSU? If Michigan puts together 4 consecutive 9-plus win seasons is that enough to surge Harbaugh with all his coaching ability, NFL experience, charisma, and UM's presteige past OSU or Bama? Or because Bama & OSU also have great coaches and great tradition (and better geographical advantage) it will probably never happen and we'll have to beat them with less talent (at least until Meyer and Saban are gone)?
Michigan will ever out-recruit Alabama as long as Saban is there. Because over the last 8 years, literally no team has outrecruited Alabama. Ohio State is different: Michigan just has to start beating Ohio State consistently.
Consistently? How about occasionally?
2012: Texas beat Alabama
2013: OSU and Michigan both beat Bama
2015: USC beat Bama
2018: It's very, very early, but Alabama is not in the top 25
Source: Scout
a certain site, why don't we use the site that has been proven to be most accurate, the 24/7 composite ranking which uses all the rankings as an aggregate??
2011: Alabama is the number 1 class
2012: Alabama is the number 1 class
2013: Alabama is the number 1 class
2014: Alabama is the number 1 class
2015: Alabama is the number 1 class
2016: Alabama is the number 1 class
2017: Alabama is the number 1 class
2018: Alabama has 2 commits. Doubt they should be worried right now.
They were the it school for a few years because they were winning. They were good before Kelly but it wasn't until he got there, and that they started getting really talented kids. It's usually a combination though...Oregon got good, as USC started to fall. MSU got good as M started to stumble. Texas stumbles and all the other schools start scooping up their recruits. Michigan and Ohio State really do recruit different types of kids. OSU is more of Kentucky, where Michigan is much closer to Duke basektball as far as the types of kids they recruit. A lot of kids at Kentucky might not fit in at Duke, and a lot of Duke kids might feel out of place at Kentucky. It's the closest PC way to explain it, just from my experiences with kids recruited by both.
re Kentucky vs Duke recruits - Let's be clear that they both go for one and done's at this stage. But it is probably true that Duke will work harder to keep their recruits eligible for the 6-9 mos they are on campus.
Yeah, I was gonna say that I'm pretty sure the majority of guys with OSU offers also have UM offers and the one's that don't are either because they didn't reciporicate interest or we already have other guys with higher interest that play their position. That doesn't mean we wouldn't take them if they were interested.
If this perspective were correct, Notre Dame would only be recruiting 45 year old high school seniors
Look at their recruiting rankings. Are we sure they aren't?
I would put a decent sum of money that if you asked all the recruits in the ESPN300 on the spot, where Tom Brady went to college, I bet close to half wouldn't know.
are fans. They don't watch games, unless they are there...they tend to casually keep up with how the team is doing, and any big news, but people on this blog know more about Michigan's roster than a recruit who favors Michigan. If they play Saturday...and workout.folm study on Sunday...practice every day of the week, throw in 5 OV's in the fall...they only have a coupel saturdays free...and watching football isn't exactly high on the priority list.
Soooooo, recency bias? Availability heuristic? Better alert Kversky and Kahneman, I'm not sure if they are aware that this is a thing.
I wonder how much this really matters though. im sure it does a little but it probably doesn't have much bearing.
If you were a recruit and you've never seen a program be successful, and all you had were YouTube highlights and stories, I doubt you'd be interested. I had no idea Colorado won a title in the '90s until I was like 19