OT: Gurley Suspended Indefinitely

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Official release from Georgia Atheletic Dept:

Oct. 9, 2014

 

ATHENS ----- University of Georgia tailback Todd Gurley has been indefinitely suspended from competition by the UGA Athletic Association during an ongoing investigation into an alleged violation of NCAA rules.

"I'm obviously very disappointed," said UGA head football coach Mark Richt. "The important thing for our team is to turn all our attention toward preparation for Missouri."

 

Link is here

Gurley 8.2 ypc and 8 TD's this season. Averaging 154 yards per game. Ouch.

AnthonyThomas

October 9th, 2014 at 7:05 PM ^

Oh come on.

Of course there is competition any time you produce something that is then distributed within a free market economy. Whether it's intelligence, athleticism, or the physical synthesis of those two skills i.e. a sports competition attended and solicited by millions or a book that consumers purchase. Even our "free market" economy creates rules that "level the playing field", yet there is no argument that producers of a commodity should not tangibly profit from it. That practice has ended in nearly every business but one. 

We can all produce reductionist arguments, it doesn't mean they make logical sense. 

AnthonyThomas

October 9th, 2014 at 6:34 PM ^

How is this relevant to the situation at hand?

Here's one that is. Gurley is barred from selling his signature, yet UGA profits off of "anonymous" *wink, wink* #3 jerseys without Gurley receiving anything. Is this ok? Would it even still be legal if it wasn't such a well-established tradition? 

WolvinLA2

October 9th, 2014 at 7:03 PM ^

Even then, I think the NCAA wants to discourage rules that would have players picking a school based on who can promise them the most money. 

It's one thing to say, "Come to Alabama where we'll make you the best at your sport so you have the best chance to make a bunch of money" and "Come to Alabama because our boosters will buy as many t-shirts as you can sign and for the highest price."  

AnthonyThomas

October 9th, 2014 at 7:17 PM ^

The NCAA could easily make rules that allow players to profit through the school's officially and still bar random boosters from throwing out bags of money.

For one, the recruit is not officially affiliated with the university until he signs his LOI. There are rules to coroporate recruitment that could easily govern what happens before that point.

Why not let Todd Gurley auction off his autograph at an official UGA event? Would this not be better for everyone? The school profits, donors help the school through an event that is legal, Gurley is allowed to navigate a larger and more competitive market of buyers.

But no, we've been doing this forever so it should stay like this. 

WolvinLA2

October 9th, 2014 at 7:20 PM ^

But in your scenario, you could still have random boosters (or groups of them) bidding like crazy on the auction, and the problem isn't really any different.  You would just have to make a ton of rules on this to limit any faul play and there just isn't enough enforcement to enforce those rules.  

It's hard to enforce a rule when it's "do this but not this or this or this or this."  It's easy to enforce a rule that it "don't do this is any way at all."

AnthonyThomas

October 9th, 2014 at 7:29 PM ^

Why would boosters bidding at the auction be a "problem"?

If you're committed to having college athletes remain entirely amateur then it's a problem.

Teams already compete financially, paying players is not going to destroy the entire culture of collegiate athletics. People have made that argument in the past for all kinds of anachronistic institutions and the warnings have almost never come true. 

clarkiefromcanada

October 9th, 2014 at 6:16 PM ^

Apparently if he'd just allegedly sexually assaulted a woman, stolen a bunch of crab and offended a cafeteria he'd be suspended for like, a game. 

#ACCDiscipline #FreeSeafoodUniversity

Sac Fly

October 9th, 2014 at 6:41 PM ^

Because in the thread from Reddit, the OP says to look on Ebay for autographs from a heisman contender and they would know who was getting suspended, but Jameis Winston has more items for same than Gurley does.

MGoFoam

October 9th, 2014 at 6:51 PM ^

It doesn't matter if the rule is stupid. It's the rule. When you agree to take the scholly, you agree to follow the rules. How stupid are these kids? Or is EVERYONE doing it and only rarely does anyone get caught?

Wu

October 9th, 2014 at 6:55 PM ^

I just can't buy this stance at all. Lots of rules are stupid, and following a stupid rule--to me and many others--seems equally stupid. Luckily these absurd examples of what the NCAA prioritizes continue to bring attention to the stupidity of their own existence.

Wu

October 9th, 2014 at 7:44 PM ^

I don't know that this is a fair criticism. I think this would be the obvious rebuttal for people to turn to. But many rules that I'm referring to, the ones people could characterize as stupid, would be victimless crimes if broken. The Gurley case here is a 100% victimless crime, unless you consider that the outcome victimizes Gurley, which I do. No one else gets hurt.

State Street

October 9th, 2014 at 7:49 PM ^

Ok but the rule is still the rule.  And if you get caught, you have to pay the price.

After the Manziel fiasco, you'd have to be ridiculously dumb to sign  250 jerseys in a row for the same dealer.  

This dude is dumb.  He broke a stupid rule.  Doesn't mean he shouldn't pay the price.

Wu

October 9th, 2014 at 7:54 PM ^

Okay. So I guess my logic is that this case brings attention to how dumb and needless the rule is. So instead of enforcing it, it should be abandoned. Obviously that's the road we're heading down anyway within the next few years. Of course I expect the NCAA to continue to enforce their idiotic policies. But I'm still calling bullshit. I just wish these thing didn't have an impact on the Heisman and whatnot, like in the Reggie Bush case.

WolvinLA2

October 9th, 2014 at 7:58 PM ^

Have you ever thought that maybe the NCAA keeps enforcing these idiotic policies because the people they report to (the university presidents and athletic directors) don't think they're idiotic?  

Maybe coaches don't want to deal with this stuff.  "Sorry I was late for practice coach, my autograph session went late.  Gotta make that money, right?"

WolvinLA2

October 9th, 2014 at 7:06 PM ^

Really?  So let's say your company drug tests.  It's a great job that you've always wanted.  You think that rule is stupid, so you keep getting stoned.  They test you, you fail, and you get fired.  Is your employer the stupid one here, or are you?  Full disclosure - I'm a long time pot smoker, so I have no bias against it.

Wu

October 9th, 2014 at 7:41 PM ^

I can see your point. One difference might be relevant though. Many people who smoke pot do so for purely recreational purposes. Not all, in which case this example doesn't apply, but many. These people don't stand to benefit beyond their own enjoyment. Now taking the case of Gurley, or any athlete in his position, how do you know the money is just going to recreation and enjoyment? Maybe it's going to food. Maybe his family is having a rough time and he's trying to help out. People characterize the situation as a player not following the rules as if he's being greedy by taking these impermissible benefits. Maybe it's actually a necessity. I don't think this is always the case, but I'd be willing to bet it is sometimes.

WolvinLA2

October 9th, 2014 at 8:00 PM ^

But I disagree with you on that.  The victims are the schools whose players aren't breaking the rules.  Just like doing PEDS isn't victimless.  If UGA is more desirable to recruits because their players can make money selling autographs, then there is a victim and that's everyone else.

Wu

October 9th, 2014 at 8:05 PM ^

Do you really think there are any big time schools whose players aren't breaking the rules? And I don't think the competitive balance argument really holds water. Deadspin has written about this, pretty much tearing it apart. I may be wrong but I think Brian has as well.

WolvinLA2

October 9th, 2014 at 8:09 PM ^

I'm sure all schools have some rule breakers, but some schools are much better at turning a blind eye to this stuff (or even facilitate it) than others.  

And I've never read anything compelling that funneling money to players wouldn't result in a competitive advantage.