OT - Djokovic making a run at the French Open Finals

Submitted by Rickett88 on June 13th, 2021 at 12:02 PM

Now would be a good time to turn on NBC or the NBC sports app. He’s making a run in the fourth set, down 2 sets to 1. Gonna be a fun end. 

No one has come back down 2 sets to 0 in the French Open Finals in a century (according to analysts on TV). 

Nervous Bird

June 13th, 2021 at 12:19 PM ^

They showed a graphic that stated it had been done 3-4 times in the Open Era. You must have meant THIS century.

I'd been staying away from commenting on anything I'm totally engrossed in this match. I picked Tsitsipas to win this thing at the start of the tournament. And, since I'm a sports fan, I'm somewhat superstitious LOL (kind of like Stefanos not taking that dirty, sweat filled shirt off until he lost a set). 

Anyway, it's looking like a 5th set, and I'm hoping that youth will be served. It's time, and I like Tsitsipas. I think he can be a great one!

Nervous Bird

June 13th, 2021 at 12:29 PM ^

Enjoyable match, indeed. Tsitsipas needs to regroup for this 5th set, regain some confidence. If not, Novak is going to roll right over him in a similar fashion as the 4th set. If Stefanos Tsitsipas is to become a champion, he's going to have to find that mental resolve and determination that has defined Roger, Rafa, and Novak!

uncle leo

June 13th, 2021 at 12:29 PM ^

When it was 2-0 sets down, I was tempted to make a sports betting account and drop a couple hundo on whatever the odds of a comeback were.

This set is going to be a whooping, IMO. I can see a 6-1, 6-2.

ckersh74

June 13th, 2021 at 12:32 PM ^

I've been watching from nearly the beginning. Tsitsipas looks done mentally.

If he gets broken to open the 5th, this could go very quickly. 

Rickett88

June 13th, 2021 at 12:48 PM ^

BROKE HIM!

Great point too by McEnroe about drop shots and that being a sign of fatigue. I know that all too well…

Djokovic looking like he is gonna cruise from here. 

ckersh74

June 13th, 2021 at 1:20 PM ^

I have a dumb question. What would the officials do if they ask the crowd for quiet before the serve, and the the crowd keeps cheering like it's the Chicago Blackhawks national anthem? 

Nervous Bird

June 13th, 2021 at 1:24 PM ^

This was a good match. Stefanos will hopefully learn from this, and find the mental resolve to become the champion, and dethrone the three-headed god!

BoFan

June 13th, 2021 at 2:44 PM ^

Federer had the best game. And he’s a class guy. Rafa is so tough and also a class guy.  I was really hoping Tsitsipas would pull it off. He seems like a great guy.  Tsitsipas’ game was amazing in the first two sets and then he lost it mentally. Tennis is the toughest sport mentally. 

I actually wasnt a Federer fan in his prime, only because he was so good.  I liked Djokovic at first but he turned into such a winey ass egomaniac. I especially don’t like all his BS medical time outs he’s used during his career when 1 or 2 down. That, and his other antics make it such that he can never be a real champion in my book. 

Frank Chuck

June 13th, 2021 at 3:10 PM ^

"Federer had the best game."

Aesthetically? Sure. It was graceful and elegant. But it's clear to me by now that Djokovic has a superior game. If nothing else, Djoker's ability to transform into a moving wall - especially in the biggest points - seems to be noticeably better.

"That, and his other antics make it such that he can never be a real champion in my book."

LOL!

Fed had his bad moments too. For instance, he blamed his first loss to Djoker in a semifinal on mono.

Bo Harbaugh

June 13th, 2021 at 3:23 PM ^

Fed is the goat imo, but ran into his cryptonite in Rafa on clay.  Any other era and Fed has another 5 or 6 Grand slams.  Roger reached 5 French finals, only winning one in a year Rafa was not his opponent.

Djoker is amazing but caught Rafa post prime after many injuries and Roger is post prime (age).

 

Really hard to compare players at different career stages and across all surfaces, but I think Djoker benefits slightly from catching both post prime, and having Roger go essentially his entire career as the second best player in the world on clay against the greatest ever on clay (Rafa) in his prime.

Across all surfaces in their primes, I would rank it 

1) Fed

2) Djoker

3) Rafa 

All 3 are incredible no doubt

Frank Chuck

June 13th, 2021 at 3:29 PM ^

"I think Djoker benefits slightly from catching both post prime"

This cuts both ways.

Federer was in his prime and had an experience advantage over both Nadal and Djoker for many years.

Example: At 2007 US Open Final, Federer was 26 and Djoker was 20.

Also, in the early 2000s there was no one to challenge Federer the way Nadal and then Djoker challenged him. Federer's first titles were against a weaker crop of players.

But all of Nadal's and Djoker's titles had to go through Fed at some point.

 

Navy Wolverine

June 13th, 2021 at 6:54 PM ^

But that's not really true. If you look at Federer - Djokovic H2H during 2008-2015, when both were considered to still be in their primes (Federer aged 27-34 and Djokovic 21-28), Djokovic still leads 21-17 in all matches and 8-4 in slams. 

Federer won 5 of their first 6 matches pre-2008. Novak has won 5 of their last 6 matches from 2016 on so the bookends of their careers even out. Novak leads the overall H2H 27-23.

G. Gulo of the Dale

June 14th, 2021 at 5:10 PM ^

I don't necessarily disagree with your larger point, but I think that the early 2000s were, in retrospect, as much a blown opportunity for Federer as they were a time when he racked up majors against weaker competition.  

While Federer is four years older than Nadal, he had a later start on his tennis career and wasn't dominant in his early years--this isn't atypical, obviously, but I think it's easy to forget that Federer wasn't winning majors from the moment he stepped on tour.  Nadal won his first French (2005) a couple of days after his 19th birthday.  Federer won his first major, Wimbledon in 2003, weeks before turning 22... and had never even reached the semifinals of a major prior to that.  So, prior to '04, Federer had played in only one major semifinal.  Federer won three majors in 2004 and was off an rolling, but Nadal was lurking on the horizon.  

Also, American tennis hasn't really been a threat during the reign of the Big Three, but Federer still had to contend with some American talent in his early career.  Federer ended Sampras' reign at Wimbledon, and then Pete would no longer be relevant.  But Agassi was still a top-five player, and Andy Roddick was actually really good for a few years, before Nadal became the arch-nemesis.

Anyway, this is partly a defense of Roger, but also an admission that he would have had a stronger claim to being the greatest had he started winning big at an even earlier age.  In particular, he struggled on clay well before Nadal appeared--losing in the first round of the French on multiple occasions; by the time he figured out that playing surface, the window had closed. 

I'm willing to consider the GOAT debate a "tie" for the time being, though I think that Djokovic will have the strongest statistical claim in the near future.  I still appreciate the beauty of Roger's game and his ability to set a whole new standard for greatness after Sampras. 

Zoltanrules

June 13th, 2021 at 3:42 PM ^

The physical conditioning and mental toughness of Djokovic - no words to describe how impressive. I hardly ever root for him but giving the racquet to that kid was nice.

Tsitsipas will have his day. His first serve left him in the last three sets and too many unnecessary unforced errors. Very entertaining guy. As McEnroe said he will be a better player because of this match.