OT - Amar'e Stoudemire to Pistons?

Submitted by mgowake on
Apparently Doug Karsch & MLive are saying there's a possibility that Stoudemire is headed to Detroit for Ben Gordon in a three team deal. http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2010/02/pistons_guard_ben_gordon… I think Stoudemire makes like 15 million bucks but his deal expires after this year. Stoudemire needs a good point guard, so here's to hoping Stuckey can man up if this trade happens.
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SanDiegoWolverine

February 9th, 2010 at 12:50 PM ^

I follow the NBA maybe even more than Michigan football and Phoenix is NOT taking back Ben Gordon's crappy contract. Phoenix wants back expiring contracts, a young cheap player, and maybe a draft pick (unless they can get an all-star that fits the team better than Amare). Detroit is not position well for the immediate nor long-term (unless they win the lottery this year). The are destined to be a 35-45 win team for the next several years with mediocre talent and draft picks. Joe D could have signed Boozer last summer. Boozer was going to opt out of his contract and Detroit had the most amount of money last year. Pistons' management told Boozer's agent they were not interested and Boozer decided to opt in (to his contract) and be a free agent this year. We all know how that worked out for the Pistons and now they want a low post presence. Who didn't see that coming.

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SanDiegoWolverine

February 9th, 2010 at 1:07 PM ^

Philly is trying to dump long term contracts. They would never taken on Gordon's terrible contract. Also, John Hollinger just eviscerated Joe Dumars and it was spot on:

Check out the résumé and find me a correct decision. Just one. Fire Saunders? Wrong. Hire Michael Curry? Wrong. Trade Chauncey Billups? Wrong. Extend Richard Hamilton? Wrong. Sign Kwame Brown? Wrong. Go after Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva? Wrong again. In two years, the Pistons have gone from one of the best teams in basketball to among the worst. They stink, they're capped out, and they don't have much in the way of young talent; for all we know, in two years they're going to be the Pittsburgh Pisces or the Seattle Grunge or something. If Isiah Thomas or Rob Babcock had done this, we'd have buried them alive by now, so it's only fair for us to point out that regardless of his previous track record, Dumars is on a two-year losing streak of McHalian proportions.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/13003/john-hollinger-on-joe-…

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jmblue

February 9th, 2010 at 6:23 PM ^

Hollinger is going knee-jerk here. A lot of those moves, individually, made sense. Dumars had to fire Saunders. Really, he should have done it the year before. The Piston players absolutely did not respect him, especially Rasheed Wallace (who, for all his weirdness, was the heart of the locker room). It's just that Curry was the wrong guy to replace him. Similarly, trading Billups and his bad contract for AI's expiring $20 million was a perfectly good move, and created a lot of cap flexibility. He just shouldn't have blown so much of the cap room on Ben Gordon. I'm not sure what was wrong with extending Rip Hamilton's contract. He was still in his prime and is an absolute fitness fanatic; he's not a guy that would get fat and happy once he signed. Who would the Pistons have replaced him with if they'd let him walk? Kwame Brown hasn't worked out, but he's not making that much money. It's not a big deal. Signing Villaneuva was fine. For the mid-level exception, the Pistons locked up a versatile young frontcourt player. I noticed that Hollinger conveniently left drafting Rodney Stuckey and Jonas Jerebko off that list. Oh yeah, because they were good moves. Also, despite the record, does anything think John Kuester was a bad hire? I think he's a good coach dealt a bad hand. The two main issues I have with Dumars are 1) overpaying for Ben Gordon, who wasn't worth it and just doesn't mesh well with the rest of the team and 2) not finding adequate replacements for Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess. (And he shouldn't have hired Curry, but he has rectified this by hiring Kuester.) An undersized, 35-year-old Ben Wallace can only do so much. If Dumars can somehow pull this trade off, it would rectify #1 and to some extent #2.

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GOBLUE4EVR

February 9th, 2010 at 11:54 AM ^

they should have never signed gordon in the first place... joe d, was worse than a woman in the off season... he had a ton of money and had to spend it... they should have just saved all of the money for this year... yeah they would have sucked big time but at least they would have been able to get a top 5 pick and still had a money to spend on free agents...

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MichiganStudent

February 9th, 2010 at 1:26 PM ^

Exactly. Joe should have just come out and said that he is using this year to get some young guys valuable experience and saving up money for the big free agent year during this summer. Would we have nabbed Lebron? No, but at least we could go after some other star players and supplement those guys with a top draft pick. What could have been...

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Huss

February 9th, 2010 at 11:48 AM ^

The article mentions the rumors original source, the Arizona Republic, backed up the rumor with zero credence. So basically, they made shit up. I can do that right now for you if you want. Detroit's rumored to be interested in Lebron James, and are willing to offer Ben Gordon and Chris Wilcox in exange for this Pretty Good Player

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mgowake

February 9th, 2010 at 11:56 AM ^

For what it's worth, Karsch reported that Arizona sports radio is saying the deal is likely. And it's worth hardly anything, I'm sure. That is why I hedged and said "supposedly," and put a "?" in the topic. Personally, I think anything that the Pistons do to make the team more watchable is a plus.

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Magnum P.I.

February 9th, 2010 at 11:50 AM ^

for the Pistons, if true. Worst case scenario, we're in the same situation as last offseason--minus a little bit of cash and plus Villaneuva--with a better free agent class. Let's be honest: Rip and Tayshaun aren't playing hard. They either need to go or have the log jam on the perimeter opened up. This season is lost, so we shouldn't get too excited about Amare in a Pistons uniform, but if this happened, we'd be able to pick up a quality big man in the offseason.

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bronxblue

February 9th, 2010 at 12:01 PM ^

Right now, I'm not sure Stoudemire is worth the headache. He is a good post player, but his defense is non-existent and he has a history of complaining and fractured teammate relations. I know that this season has been rough, but I'm not ready to give up on Gordon.

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aenima0311

February 9th, 2010 at 12:20 PM ^

I never liked the Ben Gordon signing. We already have guards with the ability to score. Stoudemire would be a great pickup. Not only would he improve the post play on the team, but if he doesn't work out he has a big contract that can expire at the end of the year.

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WreckingCrew

February 9th, 2010 at 12:27 PM ^

As a lifelong Bulls fan, you will have to excuse me for enjoying this a little bit. But beyond all else, I just don't understand it. The Detroit Pistons have always had one of the strongest identities in sports. They are known for defense and grit. They're like the David Eckstein of the NBA. But in the last few years, they let Ben Wallace walk, they traded Chauncey for Iverson (shoot-first, undersized SG who plays no D) and signed Ben Gordon (another shoot-first, undersized SG who plays no D). Why have they gotten so far away from their bread and butter?

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I Bleed Maize N Blue

February 9th, 2010 at 12:57 PM ^

Big Ben was not re-signed because he wanted a lot more money than he was worth to the Pistons. The injuries he suffered while he was away showed it was a good choice to let him go. He's healthy now, and we got him back cheap, so that worked out. Trading Chauncey was tough, but I understood it was a cap deal. AI's contract was expiring. It remains to be seen what big free agent Joe D can sign to see if this trade was worth it. It's a more offense-oriented league, so that's why I think Joe D signed Charlie V and Ben G. Also the league has made rules getting rid of tough D. What passes for flagrant fouls nowadays is frankly quite ridiculous.

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Anonymosity

February 9th, 2010 at 1:18 PM ^

Trading Chauncey was tough, but I understood it was a cap deal. AI's contract was expiring. It remains to be seen what big free agent Joe D can sign to see if this trade was worth it.
Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I believe the money that was freed up all went to Gordon and Villanueva. There will be no big free agent signing this summer, unless Joe manages to acquire some expiring contracts.

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Steve Lorenz

February 9th, 2010 at 12:49 PM ^

I think we're all in agreement that the Pistons have about 18 shooting guards that serve the same purpose. Getting Stoudemire would be great, I just hope they don't rush to sign him long term. Microfracture surgery, the eye problems.....he kinda scares me in the long run, especially since most of his game is based off of his explosiveness and sheer athletic ability. All in all, it's gotten to the point where I hope we continue to lose so we can get in on the John Wall sweepstakes. For what it's worth I just played ESPN lottery four times and the Pistons won twice. That means it will be reality soon.

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M-Wolverine

February 9th, 2010 at 1:05 PM ^

The most valuable commodity the Pistons have right now is their draft pick, and if they get A.S., and he's healthy, they win more games, and the pick goes in the crapper. Frankly, the way this team is now, without enough money to sign two free agents even with getting the contract cap space, the money doesn't have as much value as if they had keep the big amount of money last year and garnered the top pick, then tried to get two GOOD free agents, instead of the crap they signed last season. They're also reporting it's Amar's decision whether to re-up or not, so they'd probably be stuck with that salary. (Though they will probably ditch Kwame and Wilcox). It's just a bad deal from all angles.

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lunchboxthegoat

February 9th, 2010 at 1:09 PM ^

NBA Trade Machine says Ben Gordon and Kwame Brown for Amare will work. Get Phoenix on the phone...


Then again it says that the 'Stons can trade Rip, Tayshaun, and Chris Wilcox to Toronto/NOLA for Bosh AND CP3...so maybe we should get them on the phone first...

OR we can do all three. BOOM dominance.

this GM stuff is so easy. God Joe, get with the program.

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learmanj

February 9th, 2010 at 2:42 PM ^

instead of Amar'e. Seems like he is leaving Toronto anyways and at least he doesn't have a one year option for 17.6 million that he can just "decide" to use. Bosh would be a good fit in D-town because of his hard-working attitude

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