OSU Allegedly Offering 1st-Round Money to MHJ and Henderson
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Not sure what to think about this information, if it's true. OSU's recruiting class seems to be falling apart relative to their standards, and a bunch of dudes are transferring out, so one way to view this is desperation. On the other hand, maybe you say it's best-in-class comp for players that sets a standard.
I think Harrison should go to the NFL. He's not playing for a rookie contract; he's playing for the next one. But I didn't realize Henderson was considered a 1st-round talent, especially with his injury history. If he won't see that first round money, maybe it's a good move for him.
As for the recruiting consequences, I think it's a wash. On one hand, the great players get paid and this creates a carrot similar to what Michigan currently provides. On the other hand, if you're a kid focused on playing time and these big names keep coming back, maybe you look elsewhere.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:09 PM ^
If they don't play in their bowl game, then we'll know. Anything before that is pure speculation IMO
December 7th, 2023 at 3:35 PM ^
Wouldn't Harrison playing in the bowl game be insane?
And why hasn't Ryan Day quashed Harrison playing in the bowl game?
Let me take it one step further, it looks like Ryan Day would let Harrison play in a meaningless bowl game and risk his entire career. Which to me is the ultimate signal that this guy isn't the coach you want to play for.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:12 PM ^
WRs and RBs have short NFL careers. One year of 1st round money to stay is nice. A five year contract of 1st year money with a guarantee clause in case of injury is nicer. So if either sticks around, it is solely about winning at OSU and sticking with their team, because the numbers do not make sense.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:17 PM ^
WRs don’t have short careers if they’re effective. Hell Keenan Allen has been a starter for a decade and is still a solid fantasy pick. MHJ could play for 15 years given his talent.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:40 PM ^
There is absurdly more passing now than 15 years ago. WR careers are going to shorten like RB careers as they get more targets, touches, and blocks IMO. In fact I could see RB career lengths increasing as WR careers decrease. Harrison is going to have an outstanding NFL career. Just not sure how many WRs from now on are going to see 15 year careers. So he for his own sake should get on it ... asap.
December 7th, 2023 at 2:02 PM ^
Look at Calvin Johnson for more data. add in they will have generational money to fall back on, they will be more motivated to turn it in earlier.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:12 PM ^
I don’t buy it. High first rounders basically sign a $50 million contract with about 40% of it up front in signing bonus. There’s just no way.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:43 PM ^
Plus endorsements. He could have his NFL salary AND "NIL" -- it's not one or the other. Obviously OSU will inflate his marketing opportunities with booster money dressed up as NIL, but MHJr is high profile enough to make plenty of money in endorsement deals as an NFL player.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:15 PM ^
Highly doubt MHJ stays. He would immediately be a top five receiver in the league and would have a rookie contract paying somewhere between $8-10 million a year with a guarantee of $20-25 million. If Ryan Day thought he’d need $13 million to keep the roster last year he’ll need to triple that with these kinds of figures.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:19 PM ^
No guarantee he would be a top 5 WR right away. He is a great player but holy smoke there are some great NFL WRs. He is already in the camp of Justin Jefferson AJ Brown Tyreek Hill Devonte Adams Ja'marr Chase etc?
Let's see.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:15 PM ^
I mean of course they'll try this. He was their whole offense even when they had a QB.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:16 PM ^
If I were any college athlete I would immediately reject this. Why take a one time deal instead of a multi year contract?
December 7th, 2023 at 1:18 PM ^
Those guys again?
That's fine. Keep them.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:18 PM ^
Harrison looked like he was done with college ball after the game.
I seriously doubt he wants to go through that again.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:19 PM ^
Waste of money on Henderson. He will get hurt again. I hope he takes that deal.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:19 PM ^
MHJ would be dumb to stay, he will make more money next year no doubt.
Henderson will stay, I mean, why not...RBs so undervalued at NFL level, get the bag.
Desperation is a stinky stench their buckeyes
December 7th, 2023 at 1:20 PM ^
Harrison has absolutely nothing to learn from playing in college another year. As others have said, if he stays, he's doing it wrong.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:22 PM ^
Wtf would Marvin come back with all the uncertainty at QB ? Like why take these reports seriously lol
December 7th, 2023 at 1:25 PM ^
If a group of OSU booster(s) are really crazy enough to offer MHJ $35M to play one more season with the Buckeyes (and I'm skeptical), he still shouldn't take it.
With that amount of money, why not actually go play in the pros, work on your craft full time and generate even more income on the side? QB is projected as a weakness for them next year, whoever it is, and it isn't like he's some kind of lifelong Buckeye fan.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:20 PM ^
Not the whole contract, 1 year of the contract. But you are talking about $7M for 1 year. That makes no sense. This is a guy pumping shit into the atmosphere for follows.
No different than those 2 idiots who said weekly Urban Meyer to MSU.
December 7th, 2023 at 4:58 PM ^
No. If he goes pro and is a top-3 pick, Harrison’s first year take home (pre-tax) would be close to 35M. The signing bonus cap hit is spread out across the length of the deal, but it’s a signing bonus fully paid out at the time of signing, not gradually. That’s what OSU boosters have to contend with.
December 7th, 2023 at 8:29 PM ^
Bro OSU isnt offering 35M for a year. LOL
December 7th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^
If true, it may explain why the mass exodus of other players is happening
December 7th, 2023 at 1:28 PM ^
Marvin Harrison is coming back to catch passes from who exactly? Devin Brown and his 54% completion percentage? OSU is going to find out the options in the transfer portal aren't any better than the guy they just ran out of town.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:29 PM ^
No chance this is true. They may offer some money, but there's no chance it's 1st round money. If MHJ is a top 3 pick his signing bonus is $25-$30 million. This is a classic heard it from somebody who knows somebody.
This guy has no idea what he's talking about, or this guy is being cute and saying that it's just the 1st round base salary in year 1, which is always $1MM or less because they're paying out a monster signing bonus.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:30 PM ^
Portal stuff for OSU is overblown….McCord leaving is mildly shocking, but he’s not the Heisman contender OSU fans demand, and Day might have a guy he feels more comfortable with in the portal. This is somewhat similar to our Cade situation, except we knew we had JJ at the time.
I honestly thought Cade would transfer soon after the 21 season ended.
If you look at the numbers, UM loses roughly 10% of its roster each year to the portal. There will be several exits after the playoffs are over.
now concerning the 1st round money stuff…I get Henderson wanting to stay, MHJ seems ludicrous. He’s like a sure top 5 pick. Maaayyyyybbbbeeeee if he has the best insurance policy possible.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:32 PM ^
MHJ will get a contract between 6-8 million next year per season (which doesn't even touch the signing bonus), and the bottom end of the first round will receive around 2.5 million. If Henderson (who I don't think is a first-round pick) returns at 2.5 million, it's a great deal for him and a stupid ROI for the purchaser.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:35 PM ^
Considering Mahhhzerhati Marvin got injured this year (rolled ankle), I'd think he'd be smart to move onto the NFL where he can then say, "Hey! I saw the same exotic NFL coverage against me when I played Michigan!"
December 7th, 2023 at 3:42 PM ^
Full marks!
And he can add: “It confused the hell out of me.” That will help his draft status.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:39 PM ^
Henderson should be easier to keep at OSU and based on his results vs Michigan this is good for Michigan. Henderson averaged about 3 yards/carry vs U of M in 2023 while Trayanum averaged 6.1yds/carry.
However, with Henderson's injury history he may be risking his NFL draft level if he is injured again in 2024. If OSU will pay him $1m or more may be worthwhile to stay although IMHO he will end up with less total career value if he waits to be drafted.
Marvin Harrison should be looking at 7-8 million/year for 5 years- If OSU pays him 8M, he would likely break even as long as he doesn't sustain a serious injury.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:42 PM ^
There is no way OSU can compete with top 5 NFL pick money. We’re talking $25+ million guaranteed. Even if they did come anywhere near that number it would be hilarious to watch them spend it all on a WR instead of using a fraction of that money to buy every 5 star O/D-lineman in the country.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:45 PM ^
LOL! Fine, Let them spend that much NIL money on one overrated, injury prone RB and the best WR in the country who will no doubt be taking it easy so he doesn't get injured and ruin his shot a zillion times that NIL deal in NFL money and big-time endorsements.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:46 PM ^
This could explain why so many other WRs and RBs are abandoning ship. They're not feeling the love.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:47 PM ^
If you're either of these guys, you have to be thinking it's a choice between one year of first round money and the potential of injury, vs. a contract with first-year money and more guaranteed on top of it.
If you're either of those guys and you get hurt, are you content with that year of NIL, whatever your insurance money is, a lesser contract/NFL career, and whatever you can make with a lifetime of signing autographs in Central Ohio? Personally, I'd take that NFL money and run.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:48 PM ^
Bullshit
You suck osu
December 7th, 2023 at 2:07 PM ^
Wrong attitude. It’s an example of basic competition but also an example of obvious desperation.
Be happy to let them try bc, whether they pull this off or not, the optics are *that* terrible (for earning team cohesion as well as for projecting coach confidence)
December 7th, 2023 at 10:11 PM ^
You misunderstood my post.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:49 PM ^
Then Michigan offers Henderson 2 years of first round salary to just move on...
December 7th, 2023 at 2:38 PM ^
Why? He can stay if he wants to. Our DL will be sure to welcome him with open arms.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:06 PM ^
I don't think we need to sweat over the decision of a guy that rushed for 3 ypc against us.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:50 PM ^
Seems unlikely MHJ will take it. Does Kaleb Brown still have eligibility?
December 7th, 2023 at 1:51 PM ^
Looks like Henderson is staying
December 7th, 2023 at 1:51 PM ^
MHJ goes Henderson stays IMO.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:53 PM ^
There is no upside for MHJ, unless he thinks that they are going to win a championship with QB-to-be-determined and he values that championship over starting a possible HOF pro career. His draft stock cannot improve any more than it already has. The odds of getting hurt greatly outweigh the odds of moving up in the eyes of NFL teams. His family has money, but neither money nor insurance can replace a chance to play at the highest level.
With Henderson's injury history, it could go either way. You might make it through the season healthy and boost your stock, but any additional injuries only solidify the "injury-prone" label.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:54 PM ^
Chip Trayunum (sp) is in the portal, so Henderson is probably back. Henderson averages around 3 ypc vs UM.
December 7th, 2023 at 1:56 PM ^
Will Anderson went 3rd overall ( Harrison JR range) and received a 20+ million dollar sign on bonus..
Henderson, It's risky but might be worth considering.. I would personally use those resources elsewhere, like Dline, Oline, LBs
December 7th, 2023 at 2:02 PM ^
I take this to mean that they are overextending to keep MHjr in a different way:
It is likely they need to guarantee Marv’s stay to get their next QB and it is also likely that they need to guarantee their next QB to keep Marv. And they may be trying to promise these things to both before either can be guaranteed true.
E.g., no way Marv stays if the next OSU QB isn’t guaranteed to be better than McCord. And yet one guy or the other is bound to have to make his decision before knowing for sure.
December 7th, 2023 at 2:19 PM ^
What gets me about the idea that the portal will grant them a better QB than McCord is that there aren't that many QBs out there who look to be better than McCord actually played last year. Is Cam Ward or Will Howard going to be better than McCord? Maybe, but there's a good chance they'll struggle just as much against better defenses. Riley Leonard looked solid at times, then got hurt and never quite got back to playing well. Dillon Gabriel is a veteran but this is also his third team and he basically left the last 2 because he was beaten out for a job/wasn't assured of more playing time, so that might be a high floor/low ceiling guy.
Harrison should go pro because he's one Zak Zinter-type injury away from losing millions of dollars. Zinter I think will bounce back a bit better because he's an OL an you aren't expected to fly up and down the field but especially skill position guys have to get paid ASAP. Like, I totally get Edwards wanting to bolt after this season even if it might not be high in the draft because more wear-and-tear isn't going to help him.
December 7th, 2023 at 8:23 PM ^
Totally with you about the OSU QB situation. The likelihood of finding a Daniels or Fields is so low. And I think it really doesn't address a looming OL issue. Their tackle situation was shockingly not great.
December 7th, 2023 at 3:52 PM ^
OSU has had a run of good college QBs because they had a coaching staff that knew how to get the most out of their talents, few of which transferred to the NFL — especially since the jury is still out on Fields (but it ain’t looking good). And then they had a generational talent in Stroud who [checking notes] couldn’t beat Michigan. Fact is, it’s hard to project HS talent to QB at the college level, and college QB play to the NFL. Evaluators are wrong more often than not. They can evaluate tangibles, but success at that position is determined by intangibles.
If, prior to JJ, Michigan had had even decent QB play Harbaugh would be an absolute legend and would have maybe 2 losses to OSU. Guys we were excited about just never panned out. This, again, goes to the fact that OSU has had an incredible streak of good fortune at the QB position, which had to end sometime. No school can keep that going forever because there will always be whiffs in there. UM had an incredible streak of bad luck until JJ came along. Whether he has been fully operationalized is another question, but he’s a quantum leap over what Harbaugh has had to work with until now.