Count me in. Hate ND almost as much as ohio.
to play football, not to play trumpet
Count me in. Hate ND almost as much as ohio.
About Borges play calling today.... (Just kidding). Should be interesting to watch the freshman work against a pretty talented defense. But the frosh is at home at ND is under a lot of pressure.
Screw the Irish and Lou Holtz. Go Trojans (I feel dirty sayin that).
I hope Lane does his thing and run up a score on hapless Irish.
A USC win will definitely aid my healing process
Your resident Southern Indiana Wolverine here.
Dear Trojans, please save me from these puffed out chests, these Facebook statuses, these damn Irish fans
The Irish aren't as good as their ranking. And they've had a bunch of lucky breaks. But the Irish have survived a far more difficult schedule than OSU has. ND beat OU in Norman, for crissake. OSU and Nebraska beat nobody outside of Michigan.
... who I certainly am not watching the game with. Used to like Notre Dame growing up until I started associating with ND fans... drove the love right out of me and turned it into hate.
Fuck ND, that is all!
Unfortunately a ND loss guarantees another SEC circle jerk. No thanks, GO IRISH!!!!!!
I see it this way, but I wouldn't be mad if USC won
If ND loses, obvs the winner of SEC CG is in the NCG, but is there is still a chance Oregon could jump UF? I think so. A Stanford loss tonight would help because Oregon would then play in the PAC12 CG with another chance to impress the polls and computers. But this isn't looking good right now.
The computers had Oregon St (Oregon's victim today) ranked higher the FSU (Florida's). Also Florida is already 2 in the computers, so after ND loss they may go to 1 in the computers, but Oregon is in the 4-7 range, so losses by ND and Alabama/Georgia + a little better win today could mean that Oregon closes the computer gap on UF.
Wouldn't UF getting jumped be awesome!
who is helped or hurt by ND loss. It helps ME, so FUCK the Irish.
I see you're, shall i say, singularly focused. My point was that an ND loss doesn't necessarily mean all SEC NCG. So, it is not necessarily a heads I lose (all SEC NCG) vs. tails I lose bigger (ND in NCG).
I just really don't even care either way. ND loss is always great.
So this is a root for the SEC thread then? I'd rather have ND win than do that.
i don't know if i can go against ND. all season long i've pulled against them and hoped for them to lose, even as recently as last week when it was basically a 3-way tie at the top. BUT, now that it's this week and if ND loses it will in all likelihood be an all SEC NC game again, i'm more so pulling against that than a ND win.
i dislike brian kelly and basically the whole ND team but as a college football fan i have gained a lot of respect for Manti Te'o as a football player and as a human this season, so in a way i rationalize it that way i guess.
It makes me sick that there is discussion of OSU winning a share of the AP National Championship at the end of the season. Would a ND win tonight and in the BCS title game prevent this from happening?
It is beyond retarded that Ohio is even being considered for an AP National title. They didn't play a postseason game!!
Te'o looks like he may kill someone...
Seeing Lou Holtz flustered will redeem my evening a little
but then that sets up an all-SEC title game again.(UF-BAMA/UGA)
That sounds completely uninteresting.
If you got hate in your heart, let it out.
Living in Florida and having to deal with insufferable UF fans I'm hoping the Irish win just so UF doesn't get in. I don't think ND can beat Bama or Georgia so them winning a championship isn't a fear of mine.
I feel your pain. Living in Tampa with tons of gator fans and married to a gator. Not something I want to hear about for the next month.
They'd have wins against Michigan, Stanford, at USC, at Oklahoma, at Michigan State.
The truth is that the pro-irish bias in the national media is almost nonexistent at this point. Yeah people have been talking about them all week, but they're unbeaten and No. 1 is the country, of course people are going say they're good.
This team wasn't even ranked in the preseason top 25
One of those teams has 6 losses, another will have 5. Those are not quality wins.
Two of those teams are more than likely PAC 12 champs and Big 12 champs.
Stanford maybe. Oklahoma is not more than likely the Big12 champ. They lost to K-State at home. Have you watched OK the last couple weeks. That D is awful.
Bama beat LSU and michigan. Georgia beat Florida. Oregon beat basically no one. Kstate beat Oklahoma. ND won all their games and beat two likely Bcs teams
I just want to see Brian Kelly turn that shade of angry grape just once.
Sheesh. They are making Golson look like Joe Montana.
I'm not watching Florida play Bama or Georgia in the NC game and from the sounds of it Oregon is completely ruled out despite a loss to a top ten team. Go Irish.
That will completely piss me off as Oregon will have just as good an argument if that comes to pass as Stanford looks unstoppable right now and a loss to them should work out.
Yeah, Oregon had something like 8 defensive players out for that game, and they still held Stanford in check on offense. Oregon and Stanford are the real deal, it's just that Stanford already got their shot at ND (an inredibly close and controversial shot at that) so they're out of the picture.
So we lose to the two teams in the national champion chip game and a team undefeated
I would much rather see them win tonight and then get destroyed by Bama.
Yes this very much so, it will be so much better after they have been jerked off all month to be detroyed in a NC game. Im hoping ND wins a horrible game at USC then gets destroyed by Bama 52-0 in the NC. Lets see Holtz and Kelly after that one!
I hope ND wins, then there is no one talking about how the only undefeated team (Ohio) should be in the National Championship and the Sportscenter talks about it for the next month and a half. I hate when Ohio gets this much media attention and I would rather the media discuss how bad ND will get beat by Alabama, who made us look like children.
where the only bright side is that you know one team will lose.
I think if ND wins tonight; the consoloation prize is getting to watch Alabama crush them.
How about the mustache on that USC punter!!!!!
"Can a freshman QB lead the Trojans to a win?" - from the OP
It seemed evident from the Trojans' first drive that they might go run-heavy and challenge the ND front seven rather than try to make Wittek throw, although he did throw on a couple plays. If the Trojans do win, I have a feeling it might be on the backs of their RBs and, if Wittek can connect on some short screens, the odd WR.
That being said, the USC pass defense is not giving me a lot of confidence that they have an effective solution for Golson and Cierre Wood and Tyler Eifert, at least not right now.
Monte's defense is an absolute sieve, Notre Dame marching downfield with ease.
Ohio beats Michigan and finishes undefeated, Michigan state escapes bowl ineligibility and nd stays number one and heads to the nc game...this could potentially be the worst Michigan football Saturday ever
Wood sounds like he is gone. Eifert and Riddick are gone as is 4/5's of their line. This is a win-it-or-else season for the Irish.
....but at least USC doesn't try to pretend to be something they're not.
If we are going to be subjected to another all-SEC BCS title game, I'd like to see UGA sneak in and pull off the upset.
and another first down. Screw ND.
This is OT for this thread, but didn't think it thread worthy (enough BS threads already). So, if you're UCLA and Stanford is spanking you and you know that you're going to Stanford again next week. Do you take out your key starters and find the meanest folks you can put on the field to physically beat on Stanford as much as possible (within the rules)?
I think you use all your best plays/formations this week so the opponent preps for them, then forget them all and run up the middle all second half.
Is anyone else feeling more than a little dirty rooting this hard for Lane Kiffin?
Not if it serves to shut Lou Holtz up.
Seeing Texas A&M up 42-7 in the first half further drives home just how badly Bama would role ND. I know ESPN will spout off about how ND has a better D than A&M, but they are not even on the same planet as the A&M offense.
I'm sorry but I can't stand the thought of another all SEC championship game. It's hard enough dealing with them as it is.
I'm for anything but an all-SEC championship game.
You guys almost have me convinced to root for Notre Dame. But no. I just honestly don't think ND is a good enough team to compete in the title game. I'd rather see a good well played game; even if it means all SEC...
How does SC have 4 losses???
Do we really want ND to even have a chance of winning the title game? No, go USC.
Awww come on guys. I was cheering hard for you guys today. And I would be cheering for you to be smashing the SEC stranglehold. My hatred begins and ends on gameday.
when ND loses 4 games with a gutted roster.
Gutted? Most of our defense is back next year, so not too worried. AND we'll actually have real CBs at the position as well. We are almost at the point of reload status. Not worried.
But speaking of gutted. Denard is gone, you have no real threats at WR or RB. 90% of your offense just walked out the door.
without my support, which will never happen. Now shut up.
Teo has no chance at the Heisman (even after that interception), right?
The heisman is Manziel's unless Klein goes off next week.
The heisman is Manziel's unless Klein goes off next week.
Didn't Musburger sort of diss Woodson?
He brought up a table with #Tackles, #TFL, #INT for both Teo and Woodson and said "The most recent defensive player who won the Heisman was Charles Woodson... and compare him to Teo." Of course, Teo has twice as many tackles because he is a CB fergodsakes. I like Manti, but let me know when Manti plays offense and special team as well ... and when he scores a few TD's.
I keep thinking today cant get any worse and yet it does. Michigan lost, ND is about to win, I just found out I left my wallet at the store this morning and I threw cookies at the TV during the game.
I'm waiting for somebody to break into my house and kick me in the balls or something.
Oh come on, Bennet Jackson one on one vs. Lee at this point on the game? You're just asking to get scored on.
I bet Lane wishes he had those 4 points back that he cost his team with that silly time out.
on that play.
holy hell... USC sucks
Brian Kelly is also an asshole
Kiffin is terrible. Holy hell.
Oh my god what kind of play calling was that?
Lol Kiffen, you need 2 scores and you don't take the points...?
USC is awful
How do you not take 3 there? Jesus USC is terrible.
well.. ND deserves it.. lets see how well they do when an SEC team has over a month to prepare for them
He just made Borges look gorgeous.
Another iconic goal-to-go series for ND. That D line is something else.
Bama 27, ND 3.
ND only losing by 24? That would be a great game for them...
How did Borges get across the country so fast. WTF lane Kiffin
How did we rate a year with ND and OSU both reaching 12-0? How annoying that neither are very impressive and we played shitty halves against both to drop winnable games.
We are clearly not a contender for Nat'l Chmpship as Bama showed, yet we were physically equal to ND and OSU (except for 1-2 playmakers). Our offensive execution sucked and there are no excuses.
We need to upgrade the talent at a few positions and better offensive coaching.
Yeah, isn't that great that we lost to the 2 undefeated teams in the country, the other presumed team in the nat'l championship game, and perhaps even the B1G's team (hell, maybe the winner) in the Rose Bowl?
Fuck us, right?
First, I have hated Notre Dame since I was a small boy. I attended nearly every Michigan home game from the time I was 6 or 7 until I graduated from U of M and moved out of state. Some of my worst sports memories are the close losses to them in the 80s, and I especially remember listening to Ufer lose it when Harry Oliver beat us with that miracle kick. I went to Catholic schools from K to 12th grade and always was surrounded by Irish fans who gloated about their glorious Irish. I hate their arrogance. I hate their circus fight song. I hate their stupid mascot. I think Brian Kelly is a first rate a-hole. I have been rooting for them to lose all season.
But then something happened yesterday that made me realize they are far from the lowest of the low. Watching Jim Tressel get a standing ovation from the ohio fans and then get carried of the field by his former players made me realize that there is something much much worse than Notre Dame: the arrogance of cheating coaches and athletic departments and the "poor me" attitude of their fans. Gene Smith and Gordon Gee are still laughing their ways to the bank and denying that they did anything truly wrong. Alabama and the SEC play by different rules as well, and they and their fans believe bending (and sometimes outright breaking) the rules is just part of the game. The worst thing is that much of the media (especially the ohio media) has an "everyone is doing it, so it's not a big deal" attitude.
Notre Dame is arrogant, but if they go undefeated, two things will be certain: 1) Ohio has absolutely no shot at the AP championship or claims to any mythical championship; and 2) the SEC's streak can be halted.
This is not a perfect world, and sometimes you have to pick the lesser of two evils.