New Coaches not helping Seniors

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January 30th, 2011 at 3:19 AM
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mrider
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New Coaches not helping Seniors

Frankly this makes me sick. Greg Banks while talking on twitter said that Wellman and Hoke are not helping him prepare for pro football. Essentially seniors who aren't first round picks aren't welcome. This shit doesn't fly, or even come close to flying. You don't shut down one of the leaders preparing for the draft. If this is true all the respect I gained from presser and after is so far gone. It's fucking embarrasing Wellman is bailing on seniors, fucking bullshit if you ask me. DB better do something ASAP. 

 

http://twitter.com/#!/gsmooth92

 

Check it out, be prepared to be disgusted. RR was hated by a lot of LC fans, but  he never ever ever bailed like this. It's appalling , disgusting, BS, and it's just wrong. You better damn well take care of our seniors, or don't try and bullshit that you give a fuck. Hey Wellman you fucking douche, Barwis helped people who were not even team members, let alone people who spent 5 years developing players you depends on greatly. 

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January 30th, 2011 at 3:21 AM | Not seeing anything on your (Score:1)
justingoblue
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Not seeing anything on your link about anything you mentioned...

"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins

January 30th, 2011 at 3:25 AM | @BGraham54 that's the thing I (Score:1)
mrider
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@ that's the thing I don't have any1 training me. I just work out at the building and that's it. The new staff doesn't help us

 

That's a tweet straight from Mister Banks. It's BS and although I mean nothing to Michigan, I will make damn sure Michigan is treated like they treat their seniors. In this case like fucking shit. I am fucking rattled over this to say the least. 

January 30th, 2011 at 3:31 AM | Don't know anything about (Score:1)
justingoblue
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Don't know anything about this situation, but one vague Twitter post has you rattled?

He didn't say that he was treated the way you said he was, he didn't say that he didn't like the new staff. There could be a million reasons he's training by himself and you named one possibility and took it as gospel.

"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins

January 30th, 2011 at 3:34 AM | How is this vague? Banks said (Score:1)
mrider
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How is this vague? Banks said without even a remote of doubt Wellman isn't helping him prepare for draft. He said "@ yea it is what it is. If you want something you have to go get it yourself cus no one will give you anything". Is that vague to you? 

January 30th, 2011 at 3:43 AM | "that's the thing I don't (Score:1)
justingoblue
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"that's the thing I don't have any1 training me. I just work out at the building and that's it. The new staff doesn't help us"

is vague to me. Personally I would wait until hearing a statement of "Wellman won't help me" or something of that nature.

At a minimum please quote the whole exchange so that people like me (who this is news to) can see the whole conversation without a complete and obvious bias one way or the other.

The second I hear a Michigan coach (or from multiple, reliable sources) say that a student preparing for the draft isn't welcome, I will call for his firing with letters, whatever.

Until then, at least give them a fair shake with their side of the story sans snippets of conversations that may or may not be out of context.

"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins

January 30th, 2011 at 3:43 AM | Read the convo between (Score:1)
mrider
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Read the convo between Gsmooth and MaRide1 and then tell me it's fine.

January 30th, 2011 at 3:47 AM | Link? Anything in the (Score:1)
justingoblue
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Link? Anything in the OP?

Bueller?... 

Bueller?...

"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins

January 30th, 2011 at 4:39 AM | Seriously though, I hope this (Score:1)
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Seriously though, I hope this is a misunderstanding....

"There will be blood on the field and it won't be mine." -KK

January 30th, 2011 at 11:15 AM | Is the S&C coach out recruiting? (Score:1)
lilpenny1316
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I thought tht the S&C staff does help out outgoing players to prepare for the draft or workouts, like Michigan Day or the combine.  And last time I looked, the S&C coach does not go out recruiting. 

BTW, good job on dumping on a guy who gave four years of his life to your beloved program.  Just because he may not be a draft pick or have to tool around free agent ranks, that doesn't mean he should not receive some support by the S&C staff. 

January 30th, 2011 at 2:14 PM | Greg Banks pro day (Score:1)
bvb24
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Who is showing up to this event?  Wellman may be busy moving all his worldly possessions and getting settled.  I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

January 30th, 2011 at 2:20 PM | This is not a fact... (Score:1)
lilpenny1316
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"train a guy that has absolutely no shot at being drafted and probably wont even end up on anyone's scout team"

Will he get drafted?  Probably not.  But there are pro days at colleges where you can make yourself stand out.  Do you know who Eric Wilson was?  He was not a star at UM back in the late 90s and you never heard his name much.  He didn't go to the combine and was not highly regarded.  But he was a decent contributor on the D-line and was on the Lions practice squad. 

I'm not willing to shoot a guy down based on what happened here.  Who knows if a 3-man D Line was not his strong suit.  Did you ever consider that maybe he's better suited for a 4-man D Line?  Maybe if he gets a chance on a pro day, evaluators may come to a conclusion like that.  Who knows.

January 30th, 2011 at 9:44 PM | It's irrelevant if he'd be (Score:1)
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It's irrelevant if he'd be drafted. He's part of the Michigan family and I'm sure a lot of players on the team care about how he's treated. We'll see how this plays out.

Galileo was also chastised.

January 30th, 2011 at 9:34 PM | Fuck fans like you. Tell me (Score:1)
mejunglechop
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Fuck fans like you. Tell me how one makes it through 3 years of Barwis with no desire, no passion.

Galileo was also chastised.

January 30th, 2011 at 9:42 PM | And he wasn't even on the (Score:1)
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And he wasn't even on the football team. Obviously the first priority is getting the current team adjusted, but I'd be disappointed if Banks isn't given help once that's done.

Galileo was also chastised.

January 30th, 2011 at 10:46 AM | Seriously? (Score:1)
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You think an NFL teamwill consider drafting Banks? He hardly played on one of the worst defenses in the league!

'Cats comin' for y'all

January 30th, 2011 at 1:35 PM | Works (Score:1)
Ernis
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This is pretty much how the world works... not a bad thing

January 30th, 2011 at 10:14 AM | have some perspective here, (Score:1)
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have some perspective here, jesus...  its zero hour crunch time these two weeks for a new staff scrambling to get recruits, and even more urgent b/c they just got on staff two weeks ago. so.  and banks should not be twitting that. that is as selfish as it gets. here is a program in its three worst years in history, losing to msu and osu all three years even, and banks is only concerned about his draft status?  cut his ass. thats selfish.  its one thing to feel that way, but its quite another to tweet it.

BSME '93 - 5 Big Ten football titles with Bo and Mo, NCAA hoops title, Fab Five as senior..... what a run.

January 30th, 2011 at 11:29 AM | Wellman is not out there visiting kids (Score:1)
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He's the S&C coach and more importantly, there should be an S&C staff in place as well.  This kid put in his time for four years and he knows the routine around there this time of year.  Kids preparing for the draft put in their work with the S&C staff to get ready for the combine, pro days, etc.  Is it wrong for him to want the same support he saw other players get in previous years?

Excuse him for feeling "selfish".  I mean he was only a part of those worst years in history.  While your butt was sitting in the stands or on a couch, he had to be a part of that.  Different schemes, d-coordinators, blah blah blah.

And your whole cut his ass comment shows your ignorance.  Cut him from what?  Idiot.

January 30th, 2011 at 11:55 AM | Didn't he get a free (Score:1)
Calvin
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Didn't he get a free education?

January 30th, 2011 at 12:41 PM | Yes.  5 years worth. And (Score:1)
jtmc33
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Yes.  5 years worth.

And he's also allowed to work out, for free, at the facilities for the rest of the year (and probably the rest of his career in football).

This should only be a story if a former player was turned down at the door.  That will never happen. 

Class of '97: 4 Years -- 4 Four-loss seasons

January 30th, 2011 at 1:24 PM | Not a bad deal. (Score:1)
Calvin
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Not a bad deal.

January 30th, 2011 at 12:04 PM | youre the idiot if you don't (Score:1)
Michigania
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youre the idiot if you don't see how wrong it is to tweet that to the public.   he can keep his thoughts like that right now, in house.    idiot.

BSME '93 - 5 Big Ten football titles with Bo and Mo, NCAA hoops title, Fab Five as senior..... what a run.

January 30th, 2011 at 12:12 PM | YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT (Score:1)
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AFTER ALL THE STUFF WAS BEING FLOATED AROUND ABOUT OUR PREVIOUS COACH ALL SEASON AND THE COACHING SEARCH RUMORS, YOU'RE SO FREAKING RIGHT ABOUT THIS ONE.  DAMN, I HOPE THOSE PURVEYORS OF JUSTICE OVER AT THE FREEP DON'T GET A HOLD OF THIS ONE.  WE'LL BE SO SCREWED.  DARN THIS DRUNK GUY WHO POSTED THIS CONVOLUTED MESSAGE THAT FIVE PEOPLE MIGHT CARE ABOUT.

 

January 30th, 2011 at 12:20 PM | Caps lock. (Score:1)
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Caps lock.

January 30th, 2011 at 12:56 PM | oh boy (Score:1)
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January 30th, 2011 at 1:22 PM | Oh you thought I didn't get (Score:1)
Calvin
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Oh you thought I didn't get it? My bad. I just thought it was fucking retarded.

Yeah, no, you go ahead with that though.

January 30th, 2011 at 3:22 PM | You just don't get it, man. (Score:1)
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You just don't get it, man. Caps lock is cruise control for cool....

January 30th, 2011 at 4:07 PM | I will accept a facepalm for (Score:1)
Calvin
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I will accept a facepalm for that. That fact I did not know.

January 30th, 2011 at 1:24 PM | I hear what you're saying but (Score:1)
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I hear what you're saying but I think you're overreacting. This staff hasn't even been able to implement anything yet. They have been  focused on saving and hopefully improving this recruiting class in the little time they have. I don't know how many miles they have logged since Hoke was hired but I'm sure it's alot. Is wellman out with him recruiting, no but im sure he has plenty on his plate as well. It would be nice for Banks to have some help but let's be honest. He is NOT getting drafted in all probability. He's a good kid and I appreciate all his work since he's been here but facts are facts. He'll be lucky if he is a career back up in the NFL because that's what he was here. You are attacking the staff without knowing the full set of circumstances. Do you KNOW Wellman? Do you workout with him or the team or with Banks? Have you talked to Hoke about what his philosophy is on how to treat outgoing players regardless of their draft status or lack thereof? Doesn't sound like it. sounds like you are throwing the staff under the bus because of one tweet that is no doubt out of context. A lot of people did this to RR too. Is that the guy you want to be?

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January 30th, 2011 at 11:51 AM | You know (Score:1)
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You know that whatever happens in the next couple of months kinda determines his future, right? While I agree he shouldn't have tweeted that, he has the right to be worried about his future and I don't blame him. Also, there's nothing he can do now about losing to msu and osu so what is the point of bringing that up?

"There will be blood on the field and it won't be mine." -KK

January 30th, 2011 at 11:39 AM | Don't you think that most of (Score:1)
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Don't you think that most of the staff right now is a little busy with recruiting and all that stuff up until signing day?  I find it hard to believe that the new staff is just blowing him off totally.

"They will meet a dastardly fate here for that! There isn't a Michigan Man who wouldn't like go out and scalp those Buckeyes right now."

January 30th, 2011 at 4:49 PM | Nail on the head here... (Score:1)
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How could they have even a second to help before Feb 2nd? The worst defense in school history and they are recruiting in a condensed timeframe. See how things are after signing day. Banks is not in a hurry as he is not a candidate for the combine. He needs to be ready for senior day at UM some time in April.

Brian CK

January 30th, 2011 at 3:22 AM | I'm wasted, but this drives (Score:1)
mrider
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I'm wasted, but this drives me fucking insane. Hey Wellman, it's not optional whether you care about our players. Banks, Roh, Poole, Bellomy all deserve the same respect, not this BS. You treat our players like shit, it's appalling. 

January 30th, 2011 at 3:25 AM | "I'm wasted"     Gotcha (Score:1)
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"I'm wasted"

 

 

Gotcha

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January 30th, 2011 at 11:30 AM | "I'm wasted" (Score:1)
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That explains so much about this post...Come back when you've sobered up, start typing coherently and this whole thing will be a lot easier.

Twitter

January 30th, 2011 at 11:31 AM | Who in the hell gets wasted (Score:1)
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Who in the hell gets wasted and reads Greg Banks on twitter? Get a life or register yourself immediately.

January 30th, 2011 at 2:18 PM | No kidding... (Score:1)
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everyone knows that when you get drunk you read Jordan Kovacs on twitter--not Greg Banks.

 

What an amateur.

January 30th, 2011 at 1:21 PM | Good lord... (Score:1)
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Haven't you learned already?

January 30th, 2011 at 3:24 AM | Where in his twitter feed (Score:1)
LSCrepair
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Where in his twitter feed does he say that he cannot train at U of M?

Did it get taken down now or something?

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January 30th, 2011 at 3:25 AM | Yea that's what I was trying (Score:1)
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Yea that's what I was trying to figure out.

"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins

January 30th, 2011 at 11:32 AM | He was saying that Wellman wasn't helping (Score:1)
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I don't know if there's a whole S&C staff yet and I don't know how things went in the past.  I'm just assuming that he's saying that things are being handled differently this time around.  With those tweets, that's the best I could figure out.

January 30th, 2011 at 11:49 AM | remember, assume makes (Score:1)
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an ass out of u and me

January 30th, 2011 at 12:14 PM | thats what a cop told me when (Score:1)
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thats what a cop told me when i got arrested for starting a fire in a state park when i was 13... still not sure whats wrong with a little campfire on the beech with your girl friend

 

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January 30th, 2011 at 3:26 AM | He can train at UM, but new (Score:1)
mrider
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He can train at UM, but new staff isn't helping him. Ridiculous to say the least. 

January 30th, 2011 at 3:43 AM | throwing crazy ideas out there (Score:1)
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is it because they've had like 3 weeks to travel around the country talking to recruits trying to get a good class? 

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January 30th, 2011 at 6:12 AM | I believe most of the coaches (Score:1)
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I believe most of the coaches are also moving as well. Between that and recruiting, I'd say banks can wait a few weeks and train in the state of the art gym by himself after years of professional training. If this is a problem in April, I'd be more interested.

-Hail-
 
January 30th, 2011 at 5:54 AM | yes, on his twitter he did (Score:1)
dmoo4u
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yes, on his twitter he did say he was able to train at the facility, but that the staff wasn't helping them. did it occur to you that probably every coach we have on staff is busy recruiting? did it occur to you that the one coach who probably isn't recruiting (our strength and conditioning coach) is busy teaching 100+ kids the new strength and conditioning program? it's not that preparing the seniors for the NFL isn't a priority, it's that getting our current team acclimated to the new S&D program is a higher priority.

if he would have said that he wasn't able to use the facilities - then yes, i would be pissed. but that's not the case. take a chill pill and sleep this one off.. i'm sure things will be clearer in the morning. 

EDIT:

dude, you posted a tweet to desmond howard about this??? 

MaRide1:
@ Hey Desmond, our new coaching staff isn't helping seniors prepare for draft! Greg Banks is left out by wellman! do something

January 30th, 2011 at 10:49 AM | ?? (Score:1)
NorthwesternFan
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Mrider - That tweet to desmond is pathetic. Grow up. This isn't a big deal.

'Cats comin' for y'all

January 30th, 2011 at 11:28 AM | His tweeting that to Desmond appalls (Score:1)
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me way more than anything he's accusing the coaches of.

"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite." 

January 30th, 2011 at 1:08 PM | WTF is up with people (Score:1)
ken725
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WTF is up with people twittering to former, current or perspective Michigan football players.  It is down right creepy.  Add  MaRide1 to the list of creeps along with Adamum5.

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