Not seeing anything on your link about anything you mentioned...
New Coaches not helping Seniors
@BGraham54 that's the thing I don't have any1 training me. I just work out at the building and that's it. The new staff doesn't help us
That's a tweet straight from Mister Banks. It's BS and although I mean nothing to Michigan, I will make damn sure Michigan is treated like they treat their seniors. In this case like fucking shit. I am fucking rattled over this to say the least.
Don't know anything about this situation, but one vague Twitter post has you rattled?
He didn't say that he was treated the way you said he was, he didn't say that he didn't like the new staff. There could be a million reasons he's training by himself and you named one possibility and took it as gospel.
How is this vague? Banks said without even a remote of doubt Wellman isn't helping him prepare for draft. He said "@MaRide1 yea it is what it is. If you want something you have to go get it yourself cus no one will give you anything". Is that vague to you?
"that's the thing I don't have any1 training me. I just work out at the building and that's it. The new staff doesn't help us"
is vague to me. Personally I would wait until hearing a statement of "Wellman won't help me" or something of that nature.
At a minimum please quote the whole exchange so that people like me (who this is news to) can see the whole conversation without a complete and obvious bias one way or the other.
The second I hear a Michigan coach (or from multiple, reliable sources) say that a student preparing for the draft isn't welcome, I will call for his firing with letters, whatever.
Until then, at least give them a fair shake with their side of the story sans snippets of conversations that may or may not be out of context.
Read the convo between Gsmooth and MaRide1 and then tell me it's fine.
Link? Anything in the OP?
Seriously though, I hope this is a misunderstanding....
I thought tht the S&C staff does help out outgoing players to prepare for the draft or workouts, like Michigan Day or the combine. And last time I looked, the S&C coach does not go out recruiting.
BTW, good job on dumping on a guy who gave four years of his life to your beloved program. Just because he may not be a draft pick or have to tool around free agent ranks, that doesn't mean he should not receive some support by the S&C staff.
Who is showing up to this event? Wellman may be busy moving all his worldly possessions and getting settled. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
"train a guy that has absolutely no shot at being drafted and probably wont even end up on anyone's scout team"
Will he get drafted? Probably not. But there are pro days at colleges where you can make yourself stand out. Do you know who Eric Wilson was? He was not a star at UM back in the late 90s and you never heard his name much. He didn't go to the combine and was not highly regarded. But he was a decent contributor on the D-line and was on the Lions practice squad.
I'm not willing to shoot a guy down based on what happened here. Who knows if a 3-man D Line was not his strong suit. Did you ever consider that maybe he's better suited for a 4-man D Line? Maybe if he gets a chance on a pro day, evaluators may come to a conclusion like that. Who knows.
It's irrelevant if he'd be drafted. He's part of the Michigan family and I'm sure a lot of players on the team care about how he's treated. We'll see how this plays out.
Fuck fans like you. Tell me how one makes it through 3 years of Barwis with no desire, no passion.
And he wasn't even on the football team. Obviously the first priority is getting the current team adjusted, but I'd be disappointed if Banks isn't given help once that's done.
You think an NFL teamwill consider drafting Banks? He hardly played on one of the worst defenses in the league!
This is pretty much how the world works... not a bad thing
have some perspective here, jesus... its zero hour crunch time these two weeks for a new staff scrambling to get recruits, and even more urgent b/c they just got on staff two weeks ago. so. and banks should not be twitting that. that is as selfish as it gets. here is a program in its three worst years in history, losing to msu and osu all three years even, and banks is only concerned about his draft status? cut his ass. thats selfish. its one thing to feel that way, but its quite another to tweet it.
He's the S&C coach and more importantly, there should be an S&C staff in place as well. This kid put in his time for four years and he knows the routine around there this time of year. Kids preparing for the draft put in their work with the S&C staff to get ready for the combine, pro days, etc. Is it wrong for him to want the same support he saw other players get in previous years?
Excuse him for feeling "selfish". I mean he was only a part of those worst years in history. While your butt was sitting in the stands or on a couch, he had to be a part of that. Different schemes, d-coordinators, blah blah blah.
And your whole cut his ass comment shows your ignorance. Cut him from what? Idiot.
Didn't he get a free education?
Yes. 5 years worth.
And he's also allowed to work out, for free, at the facilities for the rest of the year (and probably the rest of his career in football).
This should only be a story if a former player was turned down at the door. That will never happen.
Not a bad deal.
youre the idiot if you don't see how wrong it is to tweet that to the public. he can keep his thoughts like that right now, in house. idiot.
AFTER ALL THE STUFF WAS BEING FLOATED AROUND ABOUT OUR PREVIOUS COACH ALL SEASON AND THE COACHING SEARCH RUMORS, YOU'RE SO FREAKING RIGHT ABOUT THIS ONE. DAMN, I HOPE THOSE PURVEYORS OF JUSTICE OVER AT THE FREEP DON'T GET A HOLD OF THIS ONE. WE'LL BE SO SCREWED. DARN THIS DRUNK GUY WHO POSTED THIS CONVOLUTED MESSAGE THAT FIVE PEOPLE MIGHT CARE ABOUT.
Oh you thought I didn't get it? My bad. I just thought it was fucking retarded.
Yeah, no, you go ahead with that though.
I hear what you're saying but I think you're overreacting. This staff hasn't even been able to implement anything yet. They have been focused on saving and hopefully improving this recruiting class in the little time they have. I don't know how many miles they have logged since Hoke was hired but I'm sure it's alot. Is wellman out with him recruiting, no but im sure he has plenty on his plate as well. It would be nice for Banks to have some help but let's be honest. He is NOT getting drafted in all probability. He's a good kid and I appreciate all his work since he's been here but facts are facts. He'll be lucky if he is a career back up in the NFL because that's what he was here. You are attacking the staff without knowing the full set of circumstances. Do you KNOW Wellman? Do you workout with him or the team or with Banks? Have you talked to Hoke about what his philosophy is on how to treat outgoing players regardless of their draft status or lack thereof? Doesn't sound like it. sounds like you are throwing the staff under the bus because of one tweet that is no doubt out of context. A lot of people did this to RR too. Is that the guy you want to be?
You know that whatever happens in the next couple of months kinda determines his future, right? While I agree he shouldn't have tweeted that, he has the right to be worried about his future and I don't blame him. Also, there's nothing he can do now about losing to msu and osu so what is the point of bringing that up?
Don't you think that most of the staff right now is a little busy with recruiting and all that stuff up until signing day? I find it hard to believe that the new staff is just blowing him off totally.
How could they have even a second to help before Feb 2nd? The worst defense in school history and they are recruiting in a condensed timeframe. See how things are after signing day. Banks is not in a hurry as he is not a candidate for the combine. He needs to be ready for senior day at UM some time in April.
I'm wasted, but this drives me fucking insane. Hey Wellman, it's not optional whether you care about our players. Banks, Roh, Poole, Bellomy all deserve the same respect, not this BS. You treat our players like shit, it's appalling.
That explains so much about this post...Come back when you've sobered up, start typing coherently and this whole thing will be a lot easier.
Who in the hell gets wasted and reads Greg Banks on twitter? Get a life or register yourself immediately.
everyone knows that when you get drunk you read Jordan Kovacs on twitter--not Greg Banks.
What an amateur.
Haven't you learned already?
Where in his twitter feed does he say that he cannot train at U of M?
Did it get taken down now or something?
Yea that's what I was trying to figure out.
I don't know if there's a whole S&C staff yet and I don't know how things went in the past. I'm just assuming that he's saying that things are being handled differently this time around. With those tweets, that's the best I could figure out.
an ass out of u and me
thats what a cop told me when i got arrested for starting a fire in a state park when i was 13... still not sure whats wrong with a little campfire on the beech with your girl friend
He can train at UM, but new staff isn't helping him. Ridiculous to say the least.
is it because they've had like 3 weeks to travel around the country talking to recruits trying to get a good class?
I believe most of the coaches are also moving as well. Between that and recruiting, I'd say banks can wait a few weeks and train in the state of the art gym by himself after years of professional training. If this is a problem in April, I'd be more interested.
yes, on his twitter he did say he was able to train at the facility, but that the staff wasn't helping them. did it occur to you that probably every coach we have on staff is busy recruiting? did it occur to you that the one coach who probably isn't recruiting (our strength and conditioning coach) is busy teaching 100+ kids the new strength and conditioning program? it's not that preparing the seniors for the NFL isn't a priority, it's that getting our current team acclimated to the new S&D program is a higher priority.
if he would have said that he wasn't able to use the facilities - then yes, i would be pissed. but that's not the case. take a chill pill and sleep this one off.. i'm sure things will be clearer in the morning.
dude, you posted a tweet to desmond howard about this???
@desmond_howard Hey Desmond, our new coaching staff isn't helping seniors prepare for draft! Greg Banks is left out by wellman! do something
Mrider - That tweet to desmond is pathetic. Grow up. This isn't a big deal.
me way more than anything he's accusing the coaches of.
WTF is up with people twittering to former, current or perspective Michigan football players. It is down right creepy. Add MaRide1 to the list of creeps along with Adamum5.
Edit: Tried to paste twitter feed and failed. Peace!
Same, nothing you mentioned was said in the link. But if it is true I'm truly disgusted. All thats being said is that greg is going to chicago to train and the nfl has not contacted him.
do not think Coach Hoke would do such a thing would he?Because he says he is a players coach right?I think you are tripping.GO BLUE!!!
This will end well.
I don't give a shit what ends well and what doesn't. Send me to Bolivia if need be, but never is it acceptable to bail on a senior. And according to Greg Banks that is exactly what Wellman is doing.
Why don't you just go ahead and revisit this one when it's not 2AM and you're not trashed?
One kid mouths off on twitter, all of the sudden we have an international incident?
I will try, but drunk or not. "New coach won't help me train" means the same things sober or not, Like I said disgusting.
You're kind of hostile M-Easy-Rider. It's gonna be alright mate. Maybe you could use a little hoke and toke. Scuse me! Hug and Hoke! Oh, you know what I mean. After all, you don't want to wind up like this little fella.
(source: Hostile Child Magazine - Redrum Special Issue #4)
Negs are still off-line. We are defenseless against trolls save the Flame of Righteous Sarcasm.
It's a bitch, a'int it?
Sure is. Especially when I started that posbang thread after the arrows appeared and Brian popped by to let us all know we were just dry-humping each other. Talk about emasculating.
Tell me about it.
Plus I was that one asshole who negged you for that. Apparently expensive phone =/= smart phone. Good thing I found out it was no big deal.
But hey, you got Brian to respond on that thread, no small accomplishment.
mrider; you have just been hired to be the S&C coach. You have been here for 2 weeks and your are still living in a hotel. As a leader and manager you understand that you cannot have 20 different priorities - that would be a to-do list - not a priority. So mrider; what are your top priorities for the UM S&C program?
and you're basing this on one tweet? Have you even considered talking to anyone else to get the other side of the story? oh wait...you're wasted. right. two drinks ago you would've thought better of blowing up about the staff and remembered how long he has been there and what he has been busy trying to do since he arrived. chill.
I noticed this on GB's twitter earlier too. Definitely a head scratcher. I feel like this won't be the last we hear about this. Maybe after signing day passes and things wind down on that front, Hoke will place some more focus on these things.
Perhaps more hilarious is Brandon Graham making a tat-gate Pryor joke to Kurt Coleman. I'll admit, I laughed.
Absolutely Priceless! haha BG lettin' 'em know!
This is unacceptable, I'm with the OP. WTF Hoke, Michigan Men don't bail on other Michigan Men!
Edit: So far this has not been proven, so I will give Hoke the benefit of the doubt.
so you were willing to bad mouth the staff before you even knew what is going on? Hoke is busy recruiting his ASS off right now. Banks has not been abandoned. He knows what to do in the weight room. The new staff is...wait for it...NEW!!!!! They have SO much work to do right now. They probably haven't even talked yet about their plan for outgoing Seniors. We have a landed verbals from 10 kids since 1/19 (3 recommits and 7 new verbals). Can we seriously give the staff a break?! I mean come on. All this is the kind of crap that people started throwing at RR when he got here. This is a non issue right now. If this staff had been here for a year already and this is what was going on then that's a different story but that isn't the case is it?
Hoke and Wellman are different people. I forgot Wellman was out landing all those commits. If a Michigan football player is still at school the S&C better damn well help him.
I know who Hoke and Wellman are. the problem is you are trashing the coaching staff that has had 2 WEEKS to implement their rules and regulations about how to do things. A staff that isn't even complete yet. A staff that has had to salvage a recruiting class and the current players on the roster. A staff that still has to work out where they are going to live and when and how their families will be moving. What help do you think Wellman is really going to be able to give Banks that is going make him a better player than he has been for the last 4 years? I'm not saying they shouldn't help him because he isn't a star but fact is fact. If you know what will make him a better player then I suggest you get off your computer at 3 in the morning while drunk and go fill out an application for a position on the S & C staff since you know so much.
The point is you are not a Michigan player. You do know what state the S & C program is in. You have NOT talked to Wellman yourself or Banks for that matter. you do not have evidence of Banks being wronged in any way and you are running your mouth about how badly the staff is treating him.
I think this staff certainly deserves the chance to show their worth and you sir seem dead set on otherwise.
Hoke is out recruiting, trying to put a class together? Did rr staff help henne or long? I'm not trying to be a dick, we don't know the whole story. Wildly speculating about a vague tweet, drunk, at 2am is not helping anyone.
As soon as it's back, please remind me to find you and +1 whatever comment you're making. No matter what it is.
I get your point, but when Chad, and especially Jake came out for the draft, they were in much better situations than the ones our seniors find themselves in. Henne and Long weren't searching for places to work out pre-draft/combine, they were offered and most likely fronted by their agents. Guys like Banks, without a senior bowl invite and much attention have to kind of get their shit together on their own. But, as far as Hoke being pre-occupied with finishing this class off, I agree 100% with you.
For there workouts, good point. Banks has 3 months to workout. Would this guy rather have Hoke working out banks or locking down Cooper? It is insulting to Hoke and his staff to suggest they would do that to a player. I guess I have more respect for Hoke to do the right thing. Also people wonder where other teams fans get ammunition to spread rumors about our team. Trolls get on here and spread this crap to everyone else.
It doesn't matter if they were in better situations than Banks. All the athletes should be treated the same. This argument makes no sense. Banks should understand what is going on for the next few days and I'm sure after this week he will get all sorts of attention that he deserves.
In the real world, #1 overall picks, and undrafted free agent signings do get treated different. But, in theory, you would hope they are treated the same.
I don't doubt that Einstein came up with the theory of relativity at 2:19am on a Sunday morning.
Some other dude asked him about it:
Ty McGuire @ @gsmooth92 hopefully its just b/c they are concentrating on implementing the team right away and once all is settled they'll hook ya'll up 1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply
Greg Banks @tymacg yea that's tru because their style of training is obviously different from the last and it takes time for players to get acclimated
Thanks OMG. I think the OP is overreacting a bit, because I don't know that he knows the overall sitch, I am sure with recruiting is over for this year, we will find out more and get this straightened out. My only issue is when the OP went off on his twitter, Banks never shot him down on anything.
Wellman said he hadn't even gotten a chance to meet the whole team yet. No where does it say that they've been told "no, we won't help you." And I'm sure Hoke and co. are really used to dealing with a ton of possible NFL players from their days at Ball State and SDSU.
Let the situation play out for at least a few days before ranting like a child.
Thank you for the rationality.
Can't wait until negbanging is back to take care of the dumbass posts, and I can posbang the deserving ones.
Can't wait until negbanging is back to take care of the dumbass posts
Half of your posts in this thread would qualify
MaRide1 Matt Rider @desmond_howard Hey Desmond, our new coaching staff isn't helping seniors prepare for draft! Greg Banks is left out by wellman! do something
The creations of twitter and alcohol are solely responsible for Matt Rider ever having the opportunity to communicate with Desmond Howard. What a world we live in.
He's probably too busy to bother, but I would love to see this guy put in his place by Desmond.
Would a Heisman winning first round pick sticking up for the staff do it?
People shouldn't get drunk unless they have something to do.
but left this one up
classy classy classy!
This post is ridiculous. Hoke got the job 2 weeks ago and National Signing Day is Wednesday. A few weeks ago, we were all making lists of Hoke's top priorities for his first several weeks on the job. Most lists went something like this:
1. Lock up Denard
2. Lock up the rest of the squad
3. Recruit like mad
3. Hire a DC
4. Hire an OC
5. Recruit like mad
6. Get the team going on winter workouts
7. Start working on a way to effectively utilize Denard
8. Recruit like mad
Then add to the list all the things that apply to Hoke's personal life... like, yanno, moving your family across the country and changing jobs. Did anyone list "get outgoing Seniors ready for the draft?" No. Is it important? Yes. But National Signing day is Wednesday, and we just finished hiring position coaches. I would venture to guess that Hoke hasn't had more than 4 hours of sleep since accepting the job. Go to sleep.
Agreed, except maybe on the order of thing.
I'd have "Locking up Denard" as 1-2-3. Quickly followed by "Bring in a DC".
Just personal preference though, your point stands (and stands correct).
I dont' know man, Denard is too fast to be anything but just 1st
Logic and Ockham's Razor FTW.
"Occom's". Don't sweat it though, you're a badass poster.
I hope you're joking
Good catch. At some point the booze was bound to get to me. An imaginary +1 to you sir.
Again, my bad.
Or Ockham. As in William of Ockham.
Wow. Now that I Google that I feel really dumb.
In my defense, I know that my first philosophy prof spelled it Occam, and I know that I've seen Occam before.
However, seeing the overwhelming evidence in your favor, I admit defeat. Good teaching moment I guess.
to spell his own name.
You're right, if there's one thing rr took care of it was getting kids drafted.
You should be more knee-jerk
Came in, read Mr. Rider's first few comments, started packing his bags for Bolivia. Seriously, its not even the broad assumption based claim he made, but how he wrote it. F-bomb this and F-bomb that, seemed like every other word was some variation of" fuck". Oh...but its OK, he's drunk! I never understood why people act like complete jackasses when they're under the influence. Hell, I've had more than a few tonite, and I am perfectly calm, waiting for RELIABLE INFORMATION.
Mr. Rider apparently doesn't want a bright future for the program, since he wants Hoke in AA working Banks out instead of saving the recruiting class. The draft is still a few months away. NSD is Wed. Hoke has his priorities straight. Do you? Next time you have some drinks, stay away from the keyboard, bucco.
Agreed. I'm crossing my eyes to read/write and I feel levelheaded.
Obviously not defending a coach who won't help a deserving student but I'm not jumping on their necks after one tweet either.
If he had a honey back at his crib, he wouldnt be looking at porn on the computer and then reading a tweet.
Everyone saying stuff about wanting Hoke being here to work the players out vs recruit them... what? I don't think people are saying Hoke should be here helping the players work out, but that the S&C staff, who are not going to be out recruiting, should be helping Banks and the other seniors work out and prepare. Hoke and recruiting are not relevant, stop bringing them up.
Pretty much the only important question here is this: Are Wellman and his staff just too busy getting the new S&C regime set up with the players who will be here next year to help out the seniors right now (but will help them out as soon as they can), or are they just not helping out the seniors because they don't care to/other reason?
Read the original thread he said wellman and Hoke are not working banks out. We are giving alternatives for what Hoke and wellman could be doing. Hoke should be out recruiting and spending as much time getting to know current players. Not to mention moving his family and finding 2 more position coaches. Wellman is trying to get his program going and getting settled in to a new area. Watching the video with wellman he says he doesn't even know allthe players names yet.
Everyone calm down
Has anyone confirmed whether Greg Banks truly posted the tweet about the lack of S&C staff help on workouts? Someone else could have gotten a hold of Banks' account info and in sympathy to the old S&C staff, posted the tweet to make the new S&C staff look bad..
Was the S&C staff approached directly and specifically for workout assistance? The S&C staff are not mind readers. They just came on board and are still trying to get oriented to their new environment. This could simply be a communications issue.
Unless an effort has been made to resolve this issues internally, these concerns should not aired publicly.
This is reminiscent of the Brock Mealer incident. Is there a conspiracy to discredit the new S&C staff?
Don't get your shorts all bunched up before you know the facts. Don't let the Free Press & Drew "Not So" Sharp drag you down to their level. Act on fact!
I can see mrider bing drunk, seeing Wellman on the street and try to go Mike Milano on his ass
Greg Banks preparing for the draft...hahahahahaha.
70 posts in and you're the first to say it? Surprising.
That's a conclusion Mr. Rider jumped to, along with a host of other assumptions about what is happening. Banks knows he has no chance of getting drafted. He is preparing for workouts -- he will get a few invites from NFL teams, just like hundreds of other players.
The new S&C coach (Aaron Wellman) is implementing a new system for the team, and hasn't had time to put anything together for those who are planning to do NFL workouts. The draft isn't until the end of April, and as I understand it, a player like Banks won't start hearing from NFL teams until after that. Mr. Rider's assumption that Hoke and Wellman aren't going to help Banks get ready is total bullshit.
"Banks himself never mentioned the draft"
I know. I'm just amused by this drunken idiot.
Perhaps you should take the time to write an email to Brandon asking if what you are hearing is true and then suggesting in much more professional terms than you are using here that it does not portray UM in positive light if it is not supporting those youngsters that gave blood, sweat, and tears over some of UM's toughest years. Frankly, I think that will generate a better response than your over the top diatribe. And on second thought, perhaps you should not write the email because it does not appear you are capable of rational discourse.
And secondly, perhaps you should take a deep breath after you are done stalking players on tweet and try and find out if everything stated is accurate. I imagine you also likely blew up when you read the inaccurate accounts about Barwis and Mealer.
Understand that with change, there is always some transition messiness that needs worked out.
Why do that when you could go straight to "ZOMG THE SKY IS FALLING!!!"
Believing in yourself is the first step. Honestly, if you'd been working as hard as these guys do for four years and you had a chance to go work out for an NFL team and then probably spend a week or two in an NFL training camp, wouldn't you do it? Plus, you never know -- weirder things have happened.
It's not like Greg isn't planning to graduate.
Bolivia, send me there. I was wasted
Really? We couldn't tell.
Why don't you try to reasonably find out exactly what is going on. As someone suggested above, maybe write DB an email and find out what is going on or wait until after NSD.
I would be shocked that Hoke would not help. He has sent people to the NFL and we all saw how much support he has gotten from players that went ot the NFL and players who have not.
I think you owe Desmond an apology
Lol. Still think it's BS. And not surprising our fanbase would defend our staff no matter what.
It's not surprising that our fanbase wants to wait for actual facts to come out before deriding our staff and accusing them of something that we have absolutely no clue about.
Some s & c staffs don't know how to prepare their guys for the NFL combine. It's completely different than normal s & c. Then there are some s & c that do the combine training but don't know how to do it properly and hurt more then help.
Way to stir up some BS a few days before NSD.
maybe he is over-reacting. But we all have to keep an eye on this. Our seniors were loyal to the program. Many could have jumped after the 2009 season. But they know, those who stay will be champions.
I, for one, will give Hoke and Wellman the benefit of the doubt on this one. However, after signing day and things get settled in, I would hope that our seniors, the guys who stuck with us over the worst 3 years in our history, would get some help training for the NFL draft.
These are Michigan Men for sure. We have to stick together. I would like to see that any former football player have access to the facilities. Now the current team comes first, but if a former player wants to workout with a couple other players, then why not. What is it going to hurt? Maybe the time slot availability is not the greatest but some of the assisstants could help as well. Just my opinion
Jumped to what, not the draft and no degree?
I would think that Hoke knows this otherwise he should not be here. I think the last 2 weeks has been crazy and things may and i stress may have been missed. Also, could be misunderstanding. Whether you are a Hoke supporter or not, it is hard to believe a players coach, and one who has so much support from past players would do this. I would be shocked if this is true.
Despite all of that, I still can't believe it. The OP was bad. A tweet to Desmond? I think Beavis and Butthead should go apologize to Hoke and Wellman in person. "Huh, huh, huh, dude, I was drunk" should go a long way.
1. Why do you take what Banks twitters as gospel?
2. Better yet, why is Banks twittering this at all--to twits like all of us-- instead addressing it to those who can do something about it--Hoke, or the Athletic Deparment if the football department is being inappropriate.
3. "aren't" helping isn't the same as "won't" help.
4. Give people time to move in--give us a few days to recruit. Hell, let's finish filling our staff.
5. The effing draft isn't even until April 22--jeez relax.
6. Unless you're related to Banks, your anger seems just a tad over-the-top---don't you think?
I'd much rather have this dude drunk and posting as opposed to drunk and driving.
good enough for the NFL is NOT the issue. So, if I read your post correctly, we should "cut bait" with anyone that YOU think is not good enough for the NFL draft? Are you related to Les Miles or other coaches in teh SEC?
Are you fucking stupid? I dont care if a guy on the kick-off team wants to work out, he should be allowed. We always treat former players in high regard. Miles is the guy who recruits then pulls scholarships and leaves guys hanging in the wind.
Michigan is better than that. The facts are not in yet and we all need to calm the fuck down. Lets wait until after NSD and then re-evaluate. If a former player wants to work out in the weight room, then he has certainly earned that right. If any of the S&C staff has some free time then the staff should work out with him. This is Michigan.
mrider hit a sensitive nerve!
A very quick rough tally of the negative points only: -281.
Wonder if that is a record for the Board?
Not even close. BKFinest it.
Negative 283 isn't even a record for myself. I remember when talking about how Latwan Anderson was a headcase and I didn't want him at Michigan everyone lost their shit and I was close to the negative 400 range. That's how I roll.
Aren't we still two S&C coaches shorter than a normal staff? Maybe we would a have an extra one laying around if it weren't for sanctions?
I don't think this is that big of a deal, even if he doesn't get helped by draft day. The staff's responsibility is that of people on the team.
This is why kids make such a big deal about committing to teams that do not have any stability issues. Has the new staff even helped the current team at all? Or have they spent all of their time preparing. This guy is graduating, maybe trying out for the draft. I don't see how that is a Michigan responsibility. Professional courtesy perhaps but not responsibility. If the staff had been around for a year and a player like this was around, I would have more expectations of this player getting the help he wants. These trainers aren't at the whim of Greg Banks. Ready to work out when he is.
Perhaps he should go out and find help. Get some people that will are experts at getting kids NFL draft ready, instead of just some college coaches.
The program is in major turmoil still, and we're worrying about a senior that isn't going to get drafted that still has two months to prepare and whether he's getting the right amount of face time with the staff? Program first, professional courtesies after.
And is he still on the team? Does any of this have any ramifications towards practice time? I don't know the rules? I wouldn't mind them clarified.
Aren't we still two S&C coaches shorter than a normal staff? Maybe we would a have an extra one laying around if it weren't for sanctions?
Mrider - now is the time for a new username. You're officially on my "neg-on-sight" list of one.
This is bullshit, not what we need on our site 3 days before NSD. To use language you'll understand, it'd very FUCKING uncool of you to spreading this unsubstantiated BULLSHIT around the M community, and getting Desmond involved? Seriously.
Once negs are back, I promise your ASS will be in BOLIVIA for good. I just booked a room under Matt Rider at Red Roof Inn - La Paz.
.You had me when you wrote, "You're officially on my 'neg-on-site' list of one."
OH NO!!!!!!!!!! I will not have positive points anymore!!!!!!!!!!!
Which means you will be precluded from posting inane topics like this.
From unrepetantly posting threads like this, it'll have done it's job.
I've created 1 shitty thread in 3 years being on the site. If that deserves not being able to post a topic so be it. I'll just lay some guru knowledge on you cats to be able to post topics again.
After reading his Twitter feed and his numerous tweets to Cooper along with tweets to Gardner and Cooper, I think the MGoStalkerVan keys should just be handed over to Rider. Guy is a little creepy.
If you actually have read any of Darian's tweets he says he kinda likes all the people telling him where to go. So I'm just encouraging him to do what's best.
Why are you contacting 18-year-old kids you don't know?
It's not contacting... It's tweeting. If your too stupid to realize the difference, then I'm sorry. I can tweet Tiger Woods, I don't know him but I am a fan of his. If Darian Cooper comes to Michigan I would be a fan of his also. Thus the simple tweet, perhaps you guys don't get the dynamics of twitter. If Darian minded people tweeting at him he would lock his twitter and only accept people he knew. Stop trying to nitpick for stupid shit.
"If your too stupid to realize the difference, then I'm sorry."
That's some funny stuff right there.
Twitter isn't for everybody, mrider.
What were the Kardashians up to last night?
No fact, nothing, just something a former player said. How is it we can trust his tweeted word 100%, but those of us willing to give Hoke the benefit of the doubt are the ones who don't get it? How is this ANY different than how RR was treated when he got to Michigan?
MGoEasyRider or whoever the hell you are, I hope you realize that by tweeting to Desmond you are contributing to the problem. We know nothing about the situation, but apparently it's enough to condemn Hoke forever? What?
Wait a minute....ARE YOU MICHEAL ROSENBURG?!?!? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH KILL ME NOW!!!
If the guy hasn't figured out how to lift by the time he's a fifth year senior, there is nothing a S&C coach can do for him. The NFL Combine is pretty clear on what kind of weight lifting they have kids do and I'm sure with a Michigan education Banks can google up that list of exercises and start working on them. It's not like he's being denied access to the facility or Wellman is ordering kids/staff not to spot him, he's just not getting personal attention from the S&C coach.
Also for the record, Wellman does have recruiting duties, namely hosting type things. Kids are are thinking about playing us typically want to meet the S&C guy. Plus he's running small group workouts all day.
Banks isn't getting to work in those groups. That's what I am pissed about.
My rundown of the party, good food, good booze, good times.
No cake but the dessert was shitty.
I had a bunch of beers and wine with dinner.
Your a sarcastic not funny douche a lot of the time.
First off prove that point. I'd like to the Tweet where Banks flat out says "I'm banned from Michigan facilities." Not "Wellman isn't helping me bench" but rather something along the lines of his MCard won't pop the door and let him into the facility. I only ever played club hockey and my card will still pop that door and I've gotten help from S&C guys in passing. Banks specifically talked about helping him prepare for the NFL draft. Not "I'm banned from team workouts". My understanding is right now none of the seniors are getting help for NFL workouts. Wellman is splitting his time between hosting visitors and installing his system. When the team (all 80+ athletes) know the system and the drills he'll then have the free time to do one on ones because assistants can supervise the group drills. No one is getting one on ones right now. The focus is the the team and once the team understands the direct the new regime is going then people will get individual attention. It isn't that Banks was told to get lost, it is that the focus of the program is on small group drills.
Keep assuming you know everything about the condition of the program from a 140 character Tweet or two though.
But by continuing it now, there is no excuse.
Again, take some deep breaths and use some freaking common sense to think about the situation and ask yourself these questions.
What is priority one for the new staff?
Also think about what their lives entail right now....
But I suppose you will just keep playing the angry man...
First Class ticket to Bolivia for you rider.
Could we just send him coach? Rider and those free drinks might be a bad combination.
How is this thread still around? Just completely ridiculous. Shut it down.
and thats a big "IF", Banks is an RR apologist and doesnt really approve of the whole CC situation. Maybe this could be his way of supporting the ex-coach since he wont be able to have a voice on the team anymore. Its all speculation though, as again, we are going off of a twitter conversation. This is pretty ludicrous in my opinion. Trying to get ex-Wolverines involved (D Howard) is stupid but I think he's smart enough to know what to do with this.
He doesn't even know everyone's name yet I'm sure! He's probably getting the younger guys ready first and figures the seniors should know something by now so he'll deal with them last.
I got shorted a medium fry at Burger King last night, and am looking for ways to get even. I know who to contact for advice.
RR was hated by a lot of LC fans, but he never ever ever bailed like this.
I'm sure you know this for a fact.
mRider, where should I send my greeting card to??
This thread was a waste of board space...
There's a time and a place for a post like this.
And it wasn't today on this site.
You don't really know anything about the circumstances or context of this tweet, and are grasping at something--anything--to justify lingering resentments about RR's firing. It's all very Rosendouchey, TBH. Please give Hoke and his staff some time to prove whether who they are and how they do things before announcing the start of the inquisition, mmm-kay?
Banks knows where Dave Brandon's office is. if he was truly concerned, he wouldn't be messaging a former player - he'd be notifying the AD that his new employees are not helping the way they should.
the fact you're unrepentant likely will bring the ban hammer
The more I read this thread the more it makes me laugh. Mrider you are officially THAT guy. You got wasted at your grandma's birthday party and then tweeted Desmond Howard about the atrocities you unearthed on twitter. To sum it up, we are all better off for not really knowing you. Pace your self next year at grandma's birthday for the sake of everyone involved. Maybe stop at 3 Zimas?
Tweeting to ex-players and current recruits is probably the lamest thing ever unless your Tom VH gathering info. I know you probably think its cool MRider but really, it not. Not at all. Its sad and ridiculous, your making us all look bad and it makes you look pathetic.
You really do deserve to be sent to Bolivia, and I hope once the point system is up and running again Brian puts your ass so far in the hole you'll never be able to start a thread ever again. This was uncalled for, your a nutbag.
UPDATE with actual information: There's a post at GBW that details all of this from Sam Webb. I don't know if he'll mention it on the radio or not.
I'm not going to copy and paste it or paraphrase it. Someone else is more than welcome to.
Quick summary, IF a former player asks for assistance, they will receive it. But the S&C staff's priority is the current team. As noted above, Carlos Brown was in working out last week.