Norte Dane is a joke
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
Norte Dane is a joke
Damn auto check^ Notre Dame
I figured you were a fan of this Norte Dane fellow, the Spanish Peter North.
Those damned Catholics...
Uh these games have been scheduled for quite some time. ND was trying to get out of the second game for ACC scheduling reasons but our former AD forgot to include a game buyout clause in the contract.
But the nugget you seemed to have missed is that ND is lining up a 10 year series with Texas which, in effect, replaces you. All that it needs is the John Hancocks. Drop a midwest game for a series against Texas? Yes please. I'll miss you guys but you can rest assured knowing that I'll be here to give lumps (and take them) once our series goes on Hiatus. Don't be sad though. Its not, you.. Well yes it is.
Drop MSU then. Bawk bawk.
MSU will be next to go, its coming trust me.
but no, I won't trust you. Gordon Gee was right!!!
yes. please continue to run away from your midwestern roots to further 'nationalize' the ND brand of mediocrity. can't wait for the day you're reduced to army/navy status. oops, navy's been kicking your ass recently too no? you're already half way there.
Notre Dame mediocrity = 11-1.
Michigan mediocrity = 8-5.
You might want to pipe down.
What? That was ND's best season in a quarter century, and let's not act like that was th best 12-1 we've ever seen. They got trounced by Bama as bad as we did.
Do you truly feel like ND mediocrity is 11-1? Let's play a game, who is more mediocre?
Team 1 - 2 losing seasons, 13 winning seasons
3-9, 5-7, 7-5, 7-6, 8-4, 8-5, 9-4, 9-3, 9-3, 10-3, 10-3, 10-3, 10-2, 11-2, 11-2 (0.675)
Team 2 - 4 losing seasons, 9 winning seasons
3-9, 5-7, 5-7, 5-6, 6-6, 6-6, 7-6, 8-5, 8-5, 9-3, 9-3, 9-3, 10-3, 10-3, 12-1 (0.605)
You're like the guy who thinks he's good at poker because he won one hand after catching pocket Aces. Over the long haul, M has kicked ND's ass, and given how we're trending, both sides know that is how it would have resumed shortly had ND not chickened out.
Since 1978, this series is 14-14-1 and UM has had to hustle out wins in five of the last seven years just to make it even. When did this ass kicking of ND over the long haul happen again?
Lord knows ND hasn't had any lucky wins.
Bawkity bawk bawk.
To be honest, Texas will be a step down from us over the next decade. That's not written in stone, obviously, but there are pretty strong indications to that effect. Michigan may have to borrow your "Return to Glory" phrase and actually fulfill it, and Mack Brown is a lame duck coach at this point who cannot outplay or outrecruit TAMU.
The point is to have a presence in the Texas market. Playing you guys in Indiana or Michigan is a net of zero.
Which is obviously why you kept the Purdue and MSU series going.
That burn must hurt so bad.
every year. Seriously, there is no way you can spin this that looks good for ND. They backed out of one of the top 10 rivalries in all of college football with consistently huge tv ratings every year so they could play a crappy ACC schedule plus Sparty and Purdue.
I don't have to spin it in any way. I would say to your top 10 rivalaries comment that it is a regional phenomenon. UTL Part 1 was on ESPN 3, because NASCAR was on ABC.
As far as backing out I remember a certain AD or 2 who pulled the plug on the series in 1909 and again in 1943. Talk about chickening out, you should know you have done it twice.
And as I have said before Sparty is on the endangered list as well.
You're so cool
Nice try man, but fail. ND could schedule Alabama and LSU every year, but the fact that they backed out of the series with the only Big Ten school that’s kicked their ass for decades, while preserving their two series with inferior Big Ten opponents they traditionally dominate under some bullshit “stronger tradition” excuse, is all the reasoned observers of the world need to know that yes, in fact ND chickened out of the Michigan series. Not to mention the underhanded – anything but Christian – way they went about doing it to ensure a 2 for 1 home game scenario to close it.
ND’s been mediocre for decades now, and this chicken-shit method of going about “nationalizing” your brand by pairing up with the East Coast ACC and keeping your California games, and reaching out to Texas? It will just make enjoying your mediocrity that much more after all this fuss.
be fair to Lil Bro, they pretty much regularly kick the shit out of the Irish too.
Michigan's "kicked Notre Dame's ass for decades?"
Since 1985, the Notre Dame - Michigan series stands:
Notre Dame victories = 11.
Michigan victories = 12.
Ties = 1.
You're an asshat.
Looks to me like you picked a pretty convenient time frame for that stat. And no need to call people names. In the time I've been watching football, it's been a lot more M than ND in that series.
Yes I bet you've been watching since the early 1900s.
Really? Here, in all those outcomes, how many were ND blow outs? Not only has Michigan won more overall, but when I think 38-0 I get ND double-vision. The close games may be a wash, but the only team to get its ass really kicked in this series over the last several decades was ND, several times.
There is no reason why ND could not have rotated the Purdue, Michigan and MSU series, playing 2 of 3 of them each year, with a home and home two year series with a pair, then a home and home with a second combination etc. That way, they keep all three going, and just have a two year break in a six year period from each series. But they opted to keep the weak sisters and end the series with the strong team. That looks, walks and squawks like a chicken.
That ND-Texas series would be interesting. Call it the "Do-Less-With-More Bowl" or "the Battle of the NFL Busts at QB".
I think you mean Herbie Hancock.
You know what else was scheduled for quite some time? The Michigan series. Don't act like ND couldn't have dropped ASU if they'd wanted to, instead of Michigan. How did there end up being an out clause in the Michigan contract but not in the ASU contract, I wonder? They're not that incompetent at ND. Buck buck.
Honestly though if I was ND I'd be scared of Michigan too. I mean even in our biggest downturn ever we ran off a 3 game win streak with some incredible wins, and last year it took ND's best team in decades getting 6 turn overs, and Denard's worst game ever, for ND to scrape by with a win at home by less than a TD.
Simple fact us Michigan is in ND's head. They fear us, so they are chickening out under the auspice of "nationalizing the brand."
I can see the need to clear out a little space for the ACC games. That arrangement leaves them seven yearly slots. Have to play USC and Navy, I would put both ahead of Michigan. That leaves five. Let's say they decide they just absolutely must play Stanford every year because for whatever reason they like to play in Cali every year. Four. They like to play an instate team. OK, fine, Purdue. Three. Still a lot of room.
Texas has nothing to do with "nationalizing the brand" and everything to do with the fact that DeLoss Dodds is utterly desperate to have ND on Texas's schedule. I mean he practically got on his hands and knees and begged the Big 12 to invite ND. He thinks a Texas-ND hookup will cure AIDS and put a man on Pluto. So that's more about finding out exactly how desperate, in terms of dead presidents, Dodds really is.
Even so there's still room for Michigan. So yup - the way I see it, ND wants to present itself to the country as the Midwest's premier football team, and getting beaten by Michigan every year - and early - puts a major damper on those plans. So they won't play anyone within 500 miles that they fear as a threat.
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And also to be fair, we actually agreed to a break (not sure which years ASU is slated for, but we wanted a 2 year break. ND just made it permanent.
I honestly would like to make a bet with you on that Texas series. I will bet you at least $100 that this series will be no more than a home and home. Texas would never do a 10 year series with a team that could beat them, but then even if they win it still doesn't look that good cause it's Notre Dame.
They play ASU this year and next. They also play us this year and next. Not sure how you concluded they replaced us with ASU.
ASU works out perfect for them. Every season they are predicted to contend for a PAC 12 championship and every year they fall flat on their face and underachieve. Should be easy wins for ND. Weakkkkkk
You mean like you have replaced us with OregonSt in 2015 and Colorado in 2016?
Please. What makes you think we're not replacing you with UNLV and Hawaii........
without the ', Touche isn't far from Douche.
Please. What makes you think we're not replacing you with UNLV and Hawaii........
Or Arkansas and Virginia Tech.
Nah, thats who were replacing Utah and BYU with, lol
Pretty sure we did not back out if this series. Two year hiatus is far different than saying Its canceled for the foreseeable future. I'm sure if we had known we could have scheduled slightly better. Weak move regardless
I thought they were trying to get out of this one too, but ASU wouldn't back down. Now they have to travel to ASU in 2014 plus play Michigan Florida State USC Northwestern Stanford and Louisville.
Apparently ND cares more about their home fans. We all can't play Appalachian St.
Actually, you technically CAN. And after 2014, the B1G will be the only conference (that I know of) that will not be able to play a FBS school.
Sorry to hear you are stepping away from the big boys table.
But ND has NEVER played an FCS team period.
Recent history notwithstanding the service academies have basically been ND's FCS standins.
Nah, you guys have to play that powerhouse Navy every year. That rivalry is intense.
It's a gesture out of kindness. Navy saved ND, so ND blessed them with the opportunity to play ND every year.
I mistyped, but the point stands. Congratulations on not playing an FCS team. You're joining a conference that will allow you to beat up on FCS level competition for years to come. Wanna talk about big boy tables?
Thank your boys for being the only bright spot in our RR years. Without your constantly overrated teams, we would have had no highlights, aside from the one Wisconsin game.
They'll be Division 1 in 2014.
I would wager that if nd played a good FCS squad during the willingham/davie/weis days they would've taken at least one L.
I'm sorry but playing Army every year a combined 37-117 since 2000 is hand-in-hand with playing a FCS opponent. I think we all can respect the Army team but they are about as competitive as top FCS teams.
Service academy and call it a glorious rivalry.
Air Force says "If our coach wasn't incompetent we'd have beat you in your own house." Truth, I was there.
wait a minute there... Don't care about the fans? The last App. State game was a classic!
apparently they're just bad at scheduling. They won't get so lucky in 2014, so phork off
Actually, might wanna check the news. App state is moving up to FBS in 2014 to the Sun Belt.
Over under on the number of decommits after they tank that gauntlet?
Arizona State usually has about one relevant season per decade. Maybe the timing will work out.
I'm still ticked off that that ACC is letting Notre Dame be a part time member. The whole concept is insane. You're either a full fledged member of a conference or you're not. Stop making special rules to accommodate Notre Dame's greediness.
John Hopkins sends his regards. Hypocrisy be damned.
But John Hopkins only has two D-I teams (men's and women's lax). Not quite the same comparison.
Can Notre Dame say the same thing about the ACC?
If you're going to try and be funny, at least get the names right.
and don't forget the THE...just like OSU likes to be THE Ohio State (cough cough) University, JOHNS HOPKINS likes to be referred to as THE JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY.
Why do you troll other teams' boards? You add nothing of value but piss us off. You are such a typical ND fan it's hilarious.
is to add lacrosse as an official league sport. The B1G needs six teams in order to hold a conference championship, so it invited Johns Hopkins as an affiliate to go along with the five full-fledged members that will comprise the lacrosse group (UM, OSU, PSU, RU & Mary).
You'd recognize the difference between adding an affiliate member for a specific sport and offering a part-time pseudo-membership in football, right? Johns Hopkins will play a full lacrosse season with the B1G, but the ACC can't say the same thing about the Irish and football. It's a good deal for ND to be the big fish in a little pond, but it's certainly embarrassing for the ACC if this is the kind of arrangement they need to make to survive.
ASU will get the Irish here and there. Especially when ND has to travel there. This is actually an upgrade from Navy, Pitt, or some ACC softy.
I think it's overall better for college football to mix up the matchups. We play MSU, Ohio every year, and that's enough. (In the interests of full disclosure, I am also rooting for a west coast roadie so I can watch the maize and blue in Berekely, Palo Alto, the Rose Bowl, or somewhere like that.)
Agreed. There is such an enormous alumni presence on the West coast. A trip to Seattle or Eugene would be a lot fun, too. Hell, I would even consider Corvallis. C'mon Brandon, make it happen!
phork seems on the edge of going all "ghostofX" on us...
But the mods seem to let opposing fans get away with stuff they'd never let a Michigan fan do on here.
Phork is by far the biggest troll out of any of the other regular MSU, OSU, or Notre Dame posters. There's a few OSU guys on here who are pleasant contributors
You think so? I'm reading this thread and it looks to me like he's more than holding his own in this debate. I think he's representing ND quite well in this thread unfortunately......
As best he can, at least. Facts get in the way of a thorough rebuttal.
Yeah, phork's fine in this thread. He makes good points that people around hear are happy to ignore. I'm no ND apologist, I'll always hate them, and they backed out of the Michigan series like dicks, but the board is being pretty unnecessarily dicky to him.
Don't be sad though. Its not, you.. Well yes it is.
He's am opposing fan that snarks and trolls everytime Notre Dame comes up. Irish he's not. But the site turns a blind eye, so he gets dicky responses in return.
Because god forbid that a college football site has trash talk between rivals. You've said it a few times, but what exactly has Phork gotten away with here? Not saying nice things about Michigan? In all of his posts he keeps it about the games and teams, and I've never seen him use a personal attack before.
What's the big deal here?
Not content driven, more in reference to the reply to each comment strategy I saw when I opened the thread.
My opinion: if you want to post on other teams' blogs, you should play nice. You can make good point, but you can't be a dick about it (like he often is). Irish played nice. Phork not to much.
I have a hard time understanding how you concluded that ND is playing a series against ASU and that ASU replaces Michigan.
In the article it states that the 2014 and 2017 games were agreed through contract in 2008. It also notes that ND has tried to cancel both games, but ASU will only allow canceling the 2017 game.
You know what they say about Notre Dame...
I agree. They ARE turkeys!
A couple facts about ND and there recent scheduling issues:
1) They backed out of the Michigan series. End of story.
2) Originally, ND was only requesting to cancel the away game part of the ASU series. That's pretty douchey to say, "we'll play you at our home but not at yours" after a contract has been signed. Note: they have since said they will cancel the game at ND (probably to try and save some face on this issue)
3) ND has 14 season games scheduled for 2014. You are only allowed to play a 12 game season with additional chances at a conference championship game and a bowl game. It's pretty simple arithmetic.
Pretty sad state of affairs over in South Bend.
Did not have the courtesy to discuss the end of the series with Dave Brandon, before they did it in writing! Bush league!
Who gives a rats ass. It's Notre Shame.
I'm glad we're done with ND. Wish we could bail on the 2014 game.
ASU finished 5-6 in 1999 and 6-6 in 1999.
Both were wins for the Irish.
Screw ND....they are a good academic school to be sure, but they are not the type of university that fits the B1G footprint for research. I believe the manner in which Brandon received notice was done with malice.
I also believe that ND should NOT play in BCS or NC games until they join a conference with playoffs and require them to run the same gauntlet as everyone else of consequence. To do otherwise is absurd.
sun devil rivalry
I really don't think the ND decision was a result of the choice b/t Michigan and Purdue/MSU.
I think it was a choice b/t Michigan and Tex/Bama/OU/FSU (a rotating big time team). They realized that even a pseudo-quasi conference committment-ish substance won't allow for them to play as national a schedule as they'd like.
Now, I think that pretty fucking short sighted considering that the ND-M game gets more national attention than many of their committments (basically all of them but USC), but w/e you can't trust dem catholics. #gordongee
Apples and oranges are fruit.
By that fact only are they similar.
Over lesson is young padwahn.
As an ASU alumnus, this makes me happy. And for those of you saying because of this they should still play UM, they are still playing UM. You can not fault them for adding a miediocre FBS team to the schedule which are better than WMU, CMU, EMU, and all those other small schools we play.