NCAA hears Ohio State violations case
Interesting read.. Hope to see what the verdict is soon. Sorry if it was already posted. I looked and didn't see it.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6855873/ohio-state-bucke…
August 12th, 2011 at 12:37 PM ^
Per the Tweeter, the meeting is already over and Gee is going to address the media soon. That was fast.
August 12th, 2011 at 12:39 PM ^
That cannot be good. If they get away with this . . . .
August 12th, 2011 at 12:47 PM ^
A bad outcome for osu would have required some deliberation. Rubber stamping only takes a morning.
August 12th, 2011 at 12:50 PM ^
This was just the hearing. The fact that it was short probably reflects the fact that, with regard to the original NOA stuff, there was very little remaining debate about what happened (what we law-types refer to as a lack of any genuine issue of material fact).
In other words, the NCAA has them dead to rights on the original tatgate allegations and the Tressel cover-up, and OSU already threw Tressel under the bus, so there isn't much for OSU to respond to.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:02 PM ^
OSU's written response pretty much admitted to all of the allegations in the original NOA. The only thing it took issue with was whether OSU deserved enhanced penalties as a repeat offender, and I'm not sure what facts the school could produce to argue that point. That is more or less a philosophical question for the NCAA, i.e., what does a school have to do to be a repeat offender?
August 12th, 2011 at 1:18 PM ^
This is exactly the way I see it, too, BiSB.
Did anyone else read the Tressel written response? It was written by Michigan's former counsel, Gene Marsh and Bill King of the Lightfoot firm in Birmingham, Alabama. I was astonished, reading it. It was nothing. Basically, the defense was; Jim Tressel has years of success and good works in the Columbus area behind him. He doesn't have any other response, but gosh he is such a good guy!
Now, there are no better NCAA-enforcement lawyers in the country, than the Lightfoot lawyers. We oughtta know. They really must have been given nothing to work with, in the Tressel defense.
And so yes, this was assuredly four hours of talking about what sorts of sanctions will flow from what sorts of (admitted) violations.
One last item, about Tressel, OSU, and the Lightfoot lawyers. I do not believe for one milisecond, that Gene Marsh and Bill King -- OUR lawyers -- would be parties to any scheme in which they assisted Tressel in "covering up" larger OSU transgressions. So I give no credence to any alleged conspiracy in which Tressel is taking on extra blame, in order to spare the University from deeper institutional sanctions. I don't think that would work in any event.
August 12th, 2011 at 12:46 PM ^
I dunno a four hour meeting isn't too bad... Maybe it will reconvene when the rest of their penalties are investigated..... Please please be more penalties!
August 12th, 2011 at 12:38 PM ^
I was hoping this article was going to say that Dave Brandon ordered Dominos pizza and had it delivered to Indianapolis.
Oh well, interesting read nonetheless...
August 12th, 2011 at 1:17 PM ^
I thought that it was some mild amusement. At that time, I didn't know of the depth of Brandon's hatred for how the story got started. (That's you, Mark Snyder.)
Now, in retrospect, with Brandon having gone more than a year stiffing the Free Press staff on any access to him personally, I see it clearer. It was like sitting in a crowded bar, seeing one of your enemies from across the room, and ordering a round of Shirley Temples for his table.
August 12th, 2011 at 12:39 PM ^
It was already posted, albeit with a crappy title and no link. Your post is better.
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/today-daymaybe
August 12th, 2011 at 12:42 PM ^
is pretty sure there won't be any more sanctions, which is a terrible sign (Wetzel is legit).
August 12th, 2011 at 12:47 PM ^
Here's the part that makes me think not much will come of this:
Emmert was the vice chancellor of academic affairs at the University of Colorado from 1985-92 while Gee was UC's president from 1985-90. The two were good friends, leading some to conclude that Emmert will make certain Ohio State and his mentor do not have to pay too steep a penalty.
August 12th, 2011 at 12:48 PM ^
For comparison, USC's meeting took 3 days. Maybe because of FOIA requests the NCAA didn't really have any questions?
August 12th, 2011 at 12:52 PM ^
USC stonewalled like a sumbitch. The NCAA therefore had a ton of unanswered questions. OSU, on the other hand, has pretty much accepted the allegations that the NCAA made regarding the subject of this NOA.
August 12th, 2011 at 12:54 PM ^
Lots of reasons. The main one is that USC was charged with 31 violations, compared to OSU's 5. There were a lot more people involved in the USC case. Head coach, assistants, basketball, tennis, etc.
I think you're right about the FOIA stuff. USC didn't have to reveal much. The entire investigation took a lot longer (which didn't help them with the NCAA).
August 12th, 2011 at 12:51 PM ^
According to Lantern Sports twitter, tsio is giving back the $300K they won at the Sugar Bowl last year.
August 12th, 2011 at 12:52 PM ^
Check out what Jim Delaney said about the investigation and penalties handed down by the NCAA:
Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany was on the NCAA's enforcement staff from 1975-79 . . . He offered insight into how the infractions committee will handle Ohio State's case . . . "I would tell you that generally speaking the outcomes that the committee gives are rational on that day," he said. "They hear the evidence. They look at prior cases. They typically don't go back 10 or 20 years. ... Sometimes I think they're too tough. Sometimes I think they're too easy."
Those last two sentences are classic, worthless statements. I hate it when people respond to questions in that way.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:01 PM ^
there is an ESPN article talking about getting tougher on NCAA violators. i doubt they would come out and say this stuff and then give OSU a slap on the wrist, especially with the public and media outrage that just wont die down.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6850179/ncaa-member-presid…
here is another one
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6851512/presidential-summi…
August 12th, 2011 at 1:18 PM ^
The public outrage is already almost palpable. (see a few representative links below).
That outrage will only grow if the NCAA once more changes the rules for OSU--as Petrino says they did for the Sugar Bowl game (see link)--or if the NCAA again does a shoddy investigation as it did for the Clarrett allegations. I recall they never interviewed Clarrett. Now, Dennis Talbott--the apparent source of a lot of payoffs and extra benefits for OSU players--says he has not even been contacted by the NCAA.
Imo, I don't think people will stand for this kind of NCAA nonsense again.
To quote Olaf in a poem by ee cummings
"There is some s' I will not eat."
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Petrino-que…
http://www.foxsportsohio.com/08/10/11/OSU-to-face-NCAA-on-infractions/l…
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/feed/2010-12/osu-suspensions/…
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?s=espn (already posted here, rewind to about 12:03)
August 12th, 2011 at 1:04 PM ^
Here is Gene Smith's full statement (link). It doesn't sound very good at all.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:04 PM ^
Following this hearing, we will be working with the NCAA staff to move forward to wrap up our inquiry into any remaining issues.
our joint review of any remaining items did not necessitate a delay to today’s hearing
Translation: yep, there's more.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:17 PM ^
First, this is the first time I have heard OSU is going to forefeit their share of the money ($339k) from the Sugar Bowl. That was not in their written response, which means they likely added that in the past month. The only reason to add another self-imposed penalty is that you are worried that what you already have done is not enough. Second, Smith clearly mentions they are working with the NCAA to wrap-up additional inquiries. That is consistent with the general belief that the NCAA has not completed its investigation into all of the news stories alleging additional violations that broke after the original NOA's was sent to OSU.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:21 PM ^
Here is the link to the ESPN article
Nothing new other than confirming the return on the money
August 12th, 2011 at 1:58 PM ^
"The institution understands and agrees that additional allegations may result from the ongoing inquiry and that the violations set forth in the current notice of allegations may form the partial basis for a failure to monitor of lack of institutional control when viewed in light of any additional violations. The institution also understands that if new violations are discovered, a second hearing may be necessary."
Probably standard in these circumstances but that makes is entirely possible that LOIC is still possible.
August 12th, 2011 at 6:29 PM ^
It's goin down.
August 12th, 2011 at 2:46 PM ^
Death Penalty
August 12th, 2011 at 3:35 PM ^
which they eventually receive. I think our best case scenario is that this drag out super long and feel very ominous. The uncertainty will kill them on the trail.
August 12th, 2011 at 9:18 PM ^
that hears about this mess is sickened. UM gets penalties for stretching and this blatant loss of control get pushed aside. Is this the ultimate "rope a dope". O$U will still get hit with more than they negotiated for .... Who is the NCAA anyway? I want faces.