I thought contacting kids at another school without permission was tampering?
MSU AD advises Burke to not use his advice. Sparty On.
"Hey, Trey? Just wanted to make sure you knew I was kidding. You should totally go, man. Seriously."
This can't be real.
I wonder what Dave Brandon thinks about this?
I guess his subject and verb have just agreed to disagree.
Not sure if it's really from Hollis, but the advice seems both relevant and pretty accurate.
Yes, and also self-nullifying.
This really is from the MSU AD? Great googily moogily.
Forget the hypocrisy. MSU is doing something classy for once, can't you be happy with that?
Try extremely unprofessional. He has no business interacting with a student athete from another college.
" People u seek out is better than those that seek u."
what is u? Is this some sort of algebra problem hidden in a poorly formed sentence? Or maybe he has a 13 year old daughter who was on his twitter account.
I was hoping I wouldn't have to encounter people who still type "u" after high school... although I guess MSU and high school are pretty comparable.
News flash, Twitter only allows 140 characters. This does not allow perfect grammar.
Hollis only needed to use five more characters to change the two "u"'s into "you" and the "is" into "are." But hey, if you like having him represent your university that way, so be it.
You is correct.
However, he had enough remaining letters to use "people are" instead of "people is," and using the more correct "those who" over "those that" would have saved a letter.
Well, Dantonio got into a war of words (HAR HAR MIKE HART IS SHORT) with an opposing student-athlete, so maybe there's something in the water up there.
From the piece of shit school that has no problem calling foul when other schools do that to them, I find this tweet stranglely curious -- NOT classy. Moo U. is never classy. Ever.
Well thought out, classy post on your part.
I mean I enjoy a good "SPARTY LOL" as much as anyone, but for someone like Burke facing a difficult decision like this, it's actually good advice.
which was stated above that it's weird for MSUs AD to tweet a M player about going pro.
who approach him, like him.
"Hey Trey, follow your heart and go Pro so you don't kick our ass next year."
this has to be an ncaa violation. They have violations about stretching, how could this not be a violation
Seriously. Roy Roundtree sends a congratulatory tweet to a kid at his former H.S. and it's an NCAA violation, but the A.D. of a school can tweet this to the player on a team in the same conference. It's not a 1-to-1 comparison, but it doesn't jive the right way.
It is technically a violation. Hollis would need Dave Brandon's written consent to contact a Michigan student-athlete.
If asked, Brandon would no doubt show him the back of that pimp hand.
It really was Mark Hollis. Unless someone "hijacked" his account.
It has to be some kind of violation for an official at another school to be in direct contact with a current Michigan athlete, right? If not, it should be! (For you lawyers out there, this seems akin to a laywer contacting a represented party directly without opposing counsel being included. Big no-no!)
Get the ncaa code book out, if roundtree cant text MCcray and wish him good luck and welcome, this has to be some sort of minor violation.
Hollis' Tweet was in response to a Burke tweet. To see it, Hollis is either following Burke on Twitter. Or he searched for him on Twitter. Sparty's gonna Spart.
Nice Sparty grammar
In fairness though, previous to Hollis saying that Burke tweeted the following:
Trey Burke @Trey_Burke3
EVERYONE got something to say... smh I thought this was my life!
So admittedly it may be Hollis just giving him advice...and in this case it seems like genuinely good advice
Why do people think this is good advice? Burke is a 19-year-old kid. At that age he's likely to have an inflated view of his ability. Hollis telling him "Go with your heart" sounds to me like "Go ahead and leave school."
I'd be curious to see if Hollis has ever said something like this to one of his own student-athletes.
Fair enough I guess. I was referring more to the "People you seek out are better than those that seek you out" - which I would agree with.
Hollis knows a thing or two about point guards going pro who shouldn't have, am i rite?
I don't know. I fail to see this as a huge deal. He shouldn't have tweeted it but if they saw each other in person he could have said the same thing.
I wholeheartedly agree. This is dumb advice. The best advice Burke can get is: listen to the NBA undergraduate advisory committee (or whatever it's called), your parents, and your coach.
"Go with your heart" is usually terrible advice, anyway.
In Burke's case, "Go with your heart" probably means "Go to the NBA"
He's not telling him to go or stay.
The real issue is that he's even contacting Burke directly. Its inappropriate, don't you think?
inappropriate? Meh. A little creepy? Probably.
So what I'm getting from this is that you think it's appropriate to be creepy...
Trey, I know you didn't ask for my advice, but my advice is to ignore the advice from people you didn't ask for advice.
...So if Trey isn't supposed to listen to advice from people who he didn't ask for advice and his advice is to not listen to advice from people whose advice he didn't ask for, he should actually listen to his advice since that's not listening to his advice?
Well played, Hollis.
do you *really* think Hollis is that clever???? This is Moo U. we're talking about.
While I agree that Burke really has to do what he feels is best for him in the end, getting something like that from MSU's AD is bizarre. \
If it was me that was considering going pro, the person I would find most insightful on advice would be the rival AD of my school.
Yep, makes total sense.
There has GOT to be some kind of tampering rule that this is a blatant violation of, hasn't there?
I would be so embaressed if I was a msu fan.
Please down-vote me so my shame can be hidden.
If I'm Burke and the MSU AD tweeted me, I would slap him with my heat-seeking love missle.
WTF is up with ADs these days? Why can't they just administrate like administrators do and stay the f-ck out of the public eye? I'll tell you why - they are egotistical maniacs who crave attention. Here's some advice to all you ADs out there: Do your jobs like everyone else and shut the f-ck up.
um. Dave Brandon is on twitter.. he and hollis tweet at each other alot too.
My statement applies to all ADs.
With things like this, I definitely agree. Time and time again, Hollis comes across as a child.
The Roy Roundtree thing wasn't allowed because the kid was a recruit. Coaches aren't even allowed to say a recruits name to the media until LOI's are in. NCAA has some weird rules, because i know that twitter thing happens all the time.
Burke tweeted that everyone is trying to tell him what to do, and Hollis said to listen to his mind and seek the help of people he wants. I dont understand the outrage over it? Maybe its the rival school thing, but Hollis's job is to make money for the school, and a better Michigan team means more money coming in for the game against michigan. also hollis loves to help the state of michigan (like scheduling home and homes with CMU and EMU to help them out. sigh)
My job around here is to keep things civil, so it's really challenging for me not to point out the bat-shit ridiculousness of your logic.
I'd be embarrassed. The only exceptions being if it were congratulatory or well wishes on recovering from an injury. Something like this? Inappropriate at the very least.
Never said he was a not a good person, but this is wrong on so many levels. Just sit back and think about this one and if this was another AD saying this to your athletes.
I did, and if Dave Brandon tweeted this to say, Jerel Worthy, I wouldn't mind. Telling him to follow his heart and don't listen to everyone else. It's classy to support a young kid who's making a tough life changing decision, all rivalries aside.
When he's "supporting" a guy who basically JUST said "Holy balls please leave me alone," it's a little out of place.
Besides, if you think he's doing this for the best interest of the State of Michigan, you've inhaled too much couch smoke.
I promise that if Worthy was on the fence and Brandon was sending him unsolicited, rather cryptic tweets about his NFL decision, MSU fans would be up in arms about it. And rightfully so. it might not be evil, but it's awkward and inappropriate. Hollis is there for MSU athletes, his services aren't needed for ours.
Odd for AD to tweet to Burke? Yes
Good advice? Yes
Don't u think u is bein hard on him?
Know eye dough knot.
Let's stop with the "it's good advice" thing. It's not. Burke needs to hear the voices that have some idea about his draft prospects.
It's no coincidence that Hollis wrote this shortly after a whole bunch of experts advised Burke to stay in school.
If his heart is telling him to go to the NBA even though he'd go undrafted, it's absolutely shitty advice.
you don't see the utter absurdity of approaching Burke to tell him to ignore people who approach him, as the TITLE of this post points out?
The things that come out of this guys mouth are ridiculous, he's worse then Gordan Gee.
Hollis doesn't get when to talk and when not to talk. There's this, and then I think sometime last year he said somthing like "I'll take a better program over a better season any day" after we beat them in basketball. There's been one or two other occaisions where I wondered why the MSU PR team doesn't shut down his twitter
He said that after last season, not after the michigan game. Then tweeted next "im dissapointed with our season but proud of our program"
Incorrect. It was closer to that which was posted above. A dig at our basketball team and his football team.
I don't always offer unsolicited advice, but when I do, I tell them to ignore unsolicited advice.
Well, because you're dumbasses.
read the tweet again. .. this time VERY carefully. You might get what at least half of the posters here are trying to tell you.
I get the hypocrisy, I get the grammar issues, and I get that people think what he did is unprofessional. Forget the semantics. He's trying to be friendly to a rival and I respect that.
Note: My post above was a response to a troll, not the other guy.
Let's just call it what it is. He is trying to convince Trey to leave because if he does, then that makes Michigan less dangerous. He's afraid of us and what we can do to that program with more head to head wins and a few more good recruits. He's afraid if Michigan keeps winning, then Michigan State becomes 2nd best in our state. He'll do whatever he can to prevent that.
Things with which you should NOT make contact:
2) Other schools' athletes.
Not for the sanctions, which would be nil, but for the embarrassment over the mind-numbing stupidity of it.
Lack of institutional control!
He's joing the NCAA men's basketball committee next year. So get ready for 4 years of crappy seeds out West.
I'd advise Draymond to just skip the nba draft and head straight to Europe. They all end up there anyway.
I don't know if it's just me but I have a hard time seeing Dave Brandon ever doing something like this. Frankly I don't have a problem with it as a Michigan fan but it seems so inappropriate and... lame. Lame is the word that comes to mind.
I laughed out loud throughout. Thanks to all, especially the trolls who kept the thing going.
Want to know whats funny? We are your "2nd rival." Yet, you talk about us more than tO$U and yourselves combined.
Let's get it straight. Round here it goes:
1) U of M
3) what to name your dog and how to take care of its anal gland infections
I think actually "3rd Rival"
U is wise, Sparty.
I would love to see your distinctions sometime. This obviously isn't a good place for it, but I would probably pay a small gold coin (get it? maybe it's been too long...) to hear your thoughts on that topic with internet examples included.
I was joking about examples, although I would like to hear your thoughts on certain users if we ever had a private conversation. I think I remember hearing that you're not around EL any more, but I'll actually be on-campus at MSU in early May.
I guess I'm confused what you consider honesty among Michigan fans. Is that a comment on the rivalry, like the post you were responding to, or a more general statement (which would have much bigger implications, obviously) about fans on a macro level? Referencing jmblue makes me lean towards the latter, only because I don't recall him being involved in this discussion. I agree that his posting level is up there, and I can certainly see why you admire his posts, given your internet personas.
Edit: About the rivalry...I do see it as the bigger rivalry outside of football. Given a choice between beating Ohio hockey/MBB and MSU, I would take MSU 10/10 times under normal circumstances.
but I like to pretend like you're not because it annoys you and your brethren
Is that going to help you sleep better tonight, Craig? Maybe you guys just do and say a lot of stupid shit, ever think about that?
P.S. Your AD went out of his way to commit an NCAA violation.
If u is are numba 2 rivals, then u is a notre dame fans
That paid "the situation" to be on the field for the football home opener, then denied it.
I rest my case
@MSUAD Should I take your advice or wait for the BigTen to have it's say? #GholstonPunch
He is trying to sabotage us and encourage Trey to leave using reverse psychology. He is scared and rightfully so! Go Blue!
At the very least this is the most unprofessional thing Ive seen an AD do short of a Gordon Gee presser. I do not care what his advices this smacks of tampering and if there is no rule on it there should be.
everyone please retweet this so it gets maximum attention.
I was going to argue that "unprofessional" is too strong a word; I think it's well-meant yet absolutely wrong. And its embarrassing when an AD does something in violation of NCAA rules, as this was. But the more I thought about it, and what an amateurish error it was, I think "unprofessional" is the right word after all.
Of course Gene Smith still takes the cake, but we all knew that (and you said as much)
At any rate, I heartily ennjoyed seeing David Brandon's pimp hand on twitter, calling it "wrong" and "not appropriate."