Moore's offensive philosophy
I keep seeing Moore's name tossed around as a potential heir apparent if Harbaugh leaves. It got me to researching his experience a bit because one thing I don't understand is his philosophy. Between our co-coordinators and Harbaugh's fingers on the offense, I have no idea what a "Sherrone Moore offense" even looks like.
Moore played two years at Butler CC before transferring to Oklahoma where he played under Bob Stoops (Kevin Wilson as OC). That makes me think he's got some "spread to pass" roots, even though he was a lineman.
His coaching prior to UofM was at Louisville (almost entirely during Charlie Strong's tenure). Charlie strong of course came from the defensive side. They had a couple offensive coordinators, but the majority of his time there was under Shawn Watford running a pro style offense.
From there, Moore moved to CMU where Dan Enos was coach. I dont have a good recollection of their offense at that time, but I believe they were pro style.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, he is an unknown. His playing days were more spread, but his coaching stints have been more pro style. I think one of the biggest obstacles he is going to face is explaining to Warde what a "Sherrone Moore" offense is, and what we can expect out of it. This is where the co-coordinator thing hurts us because we don't have a clear body of work to judge him.
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:32 PM ^
Speculation upon speculation - an MGoBlog tradition unlike any other
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:40 PM ^
Someone should start a thread speculating about who will replace Minter, after he replaces Moore, after Moore replaces Harbaugh…
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:56 PM ^
Obviously Jaybaugh followed by Mimi followed by JJ (Mimi will be head coach for 25 years)
January 3rd, 2023 at 7:11 PM ^
Honestly this is better than the Harbaugh rumor mongering.
January 3rd, 2023 at 7:59 PM ^
Isn't that kind of what the board is for?
No one is forcing you to participate
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:05 PM ^
when nine out of ten posts are baseless speculation, and hypotheticals based on imagined events? yeah, it kinda does force participation, if only to point out how made-up it all is.
January 3rd, 2023 at 11:46 PM ^
Pretty sure mgobloggers can figure that out without your participation. Or did you think you were the only one smart enough?
January 4th, 2023 at 9:19 AM ^
i'd ask you the same question.
and apparently they can't, given the posts upon posts upon posts based on nothing more than speculation.
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:37 PM ^
Board posts should be suspended until Harbaugh makes a decision.
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:19 PM ^
This kind of thinking is so common and I don’t get it at all. Talking and speculating about sports-related topics is part of the fun of being a fan. No one is harmed by it. I get the feeling there are some fans who are so emotionally involved in their fandom that they just can’t handle discussion of anything they don’t want to hear, even if they don’t have to participate in it. But maybe it’s just a growing part of society bleeding over into sports: other people shouldn’t say anything I don’t agree with or don’t want to hear.
January 4th, 2023 at 8:22 AM ^
Talking and speculating about sports-related topics is part of the fun of being a fan.
Is this fun? This board post reads more like self inflicted anguish. If people are enjoying discussing a potential coaching change then by all means knock yourselves out.
January 4th, 2023 at 9:53 PM ^
I think it’s pretty obvious people want to discuss the subject. You wouldn’t be here if you didn’t also.
January 4th, 2023 at 9:51 PM ^
I do agree that some people should evaluate their negging tendencies. Sometimes it really just is bad, but if it comes down to a difference in opinion it’s kinda ridiculous to start downvoting. I know talking about points is blasphemy but it’s how you self moderate. Some folks who get negged don’t deserve it and it turns into a self fulfilling prophecy of them being a troll when they really are a fellow fan.
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:38 PM ^
One thing we do know for sure is that he understands linemen. You can make a decent team from having a strong offensive philosophy.
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:41 PM ^
Corum was a cheat code. I don’t really think we had to develop an “offensive philosophy” aside from give Blake the ball and have him push everything 7 yards down field until we got in field goal range.
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:41 PM ^
I would hate to break up the coaches but Moore is not ready to become HC at UM. He just isn’t. We’d have to do a nationwide search
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:42 PM ^
But fast!
January 3rd, 2023 at 7:55 PM ^
I think it’s a bit of a gamble but one that’s worth it for program continuity, recruiting, etc. He may have a very high ceiling.
January 3rd, 2023 at 8:05 PM ^
Kalen DeBoer would be a great hire.
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:40 PM ^
DeBoer, Leipold, or Klieman would all be solid candidates if they could hold most of the coaching staff together. If they came in and cleared house, I would wonder if the Michigan job is too big for any of them without that continuity. DeBoer with one year at Washington would probably be the one best equipped to make the transition to Michigan.
Other candidates who would be good fits that left coaching and are still young are Bronco Mendenhal and Chris Peterson. They have both built strong programs and cultures at all their stops. Peterson would be a steal if he decided to coach again, and having made the CFP at Washington, he knows what it takes to get there.
January 3rd, 2023 at 10:06 PM ^
I doubt DeBoer would leave Washington after just one year. And even if he would, I also don't think his pass-first offense and borderline non-existent defense would be a good fit for Michigan
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:35 PM ^
If, after last year, we don’t have a Plan B ready someone should be fired.
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:43 PM ^
he's the OC under Harbaugh the last couple of years, so assuming his philosophy isn't that much different, especially being the OL coach in a run heavy system.
Not sure it matters as the idea with an internal hire is, in part, to keep the staff and players together. Wiess would keep the same system intact and any new hire, presumably, would be aligned with how this championship roster has been constructed.
January 3rd, 2023 at 8:04 PM ^
Weiss is a terrible recruiter and most likely would go with Harbaugh.
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:21 PM ^
I wonder who else would? Minter? Ben Herbert?
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:44 PM ^
In support of the OP: I don't mind some deep-diving on Moore one bit, and I'd welcome some analysis about his coaching philosophy independent of #HarbaughWatch2023.
January 3rd, 2023 at 7:44 PM ^
Thanks. Seemed like a slow news day and rather than getting swept up in the rumors I was hoping others might have deeper insight into Moore's experience and what he could offer (compare/contrast to Harbaugh's philosophies)
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:53 PM ^
Whatever happens will be bad now. Bad if Harbaugh comes back because fans are sick of this shit and no longer trust Harbaugh's word. Will be used against plus in recruited forever and it's clear this will be an every year thing.
Bad if he leaves because we start over, likely lose recruits and go through growing pains of a new coach.
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:56 PM ^
Plus break up the continuity of the staff which has been proven to be crucial both to recruiting and level of play
January 3rd, 2023 at 8:57 PM ^
Yeah, a lot of unforced errors there.
Just like the Fiesta Bowl.
It's a thing we do.
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:55 PM ^
Is everyone already assuming that Minter is not ready as well? I’m not saying that he is but he definitely was getting some buzz as being called upon to coach at Cincy, he’s got boatloads of experience as a DC at multiple stops, and while I get that he has no head coaching experience, you only get that experience by being, you know, a head coach. Ideally he would’ve had experience at the FCS or G5 level, but maybe he doesn’t need to.
I don’t know how well he can recruit, but he’s young and came in with almost no transition costs on the defense. Arguably made it even better and without any superstars. Maybe you take a chance on him and see what happens.
I’m not sure he’s any less qualified than Moore is, and honestly I think whoever Michigan has to hire, they’re going to have to take a bit of a flier on and hope it works. Unless you’re plucking a guy from the league after the season is over, and that’s dangerous enough to do since those guys generally want to get back to the league, your pickings are slim for candidates. Roll the dice on a high ceiling guy already on staff, which will minimize the recruiting impact and exodus of transfers, as much as possible anyway, and hope you found your guy for the next 10-15 years.
January 3rd, 2023 at 7:19 PM ^
Part of me is terrified at the thought of breaking in a first time head coach at Michigan. Part of me says bring it on. But all of me is aggravated and confused.
January 3rd, 2023 at 7:42 PM ^
No, I am fully on the Minter bandwagon. But we know his philosophy. I think he would be a good gamble as a first hire and he could go get himself a stud OC to runwhatever offense he wants. I made this point over a month ago.
I just dont think Minter's situation is as interesting as Moore because we know who he is already.
January 3rd, 2023 at 7:43 PM ^
Harbaugh would almost certainly take Weiss with him, and might take Minter as well if he can't get Fangio. Minter would almost certainly stay at Michigan if he was named head coach rather than be an NFL DC, but Moore has been around longer and would then probably bolt if Minter was chosen over him. Which would probably mean Hart or Jay Harbaugh as OC (Jay would probably follow Jim to the NFL if not given a coordinator position).
With Moore as HC, Minter probably sticks around as DC unless Jim offered him an NFL DC gig. A little better short-term continuity in that case.
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:12 PM ^
If Harbaugh leaves us after finally breaking through and getting us closer than ever to a national championship (seriously, next year is our best shot) AND dismantles half our staff by taking them with him to the NFL, we should never utter the name Harbaugh again.
that would be a real sick thing to do to your alma mater.
January 3rd, 2023 at 8:13 PM ^
Run run pass or run run run FG
January 3rd, 2023 at 8:28 PM ^
I think we should just hire whoever the best coach is.
January 3rd, 2023 at 8:58 PM ^
Saban ain't coming.
January 3rd, 2023 at 8:52 PM ^
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious. And Moore runs the air raid, spread, pro style, power I, wish bone
January 3rd, 2023 at 8:52 PM ^
Sherrone Moore doesn't have remotely the experience necessary to be the permanent HC at Michigan.
Interim if you can't find anybody, fine, but people making out like he'd be a good hire are nuts.
Michigan is definitively back to being a top 10 job, arguably a top 5 job. The standard has to be higher than young coordinators who are already here.
January 3rd, 2023 at 10:26 PM ^
Lincoln Riley and Ryan day would like a word
January 3rd, 2023 at 10:59 PM ^
One of these things are not like the other. Ryan Day took over a team with 5 times more talent than pretty much anyone that Ohio State plays. The teams with equal amounts of talent expose him for what he really is. A hell of a fundraiser.
January 3rd, 2023 at 8:58 PM ^
As a preface, I’m 67, was a U-M freshman 50 years ago, and have never been on social media. This is the only blog I have ever read and commented on.
Having said all that, I have a question: why is it that every damn cotton-pickin’ post results in the first batch of comments insulting the poster for creating the post? Is this normal internet behavior or unique to mgoblog?
Once in awhile, it is warranted, but most of the time, it is not. My fellow mgobloggers, this is a legitimate post! All these posts about JH possibly leaving and discussing his successors, especially Moore, are timely and legitimate. What else should we be talking about and why is this a problem?
And since I have no clue as to what SM’s offensive philosophy is, this could be informative. Let’s tone down all the immediate OP insults of every post
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:00 PM ^
Is this normal internet behavior or unique to mgoblog?
It practically defines the internet. If you ain't snarkin' you ain't tryin'.
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:05 PM ^
I looked and didn't see many direct insults in this thread.
FWIW, I'm on the old end of posters here for sure. I'd say you're smart for staying away from social media.
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:25 PM ^
Because the Mgoblog message board is sacred and only matters of utmost importance should be discussed, such as “What are you eating and drinking for the game” or “Friday Posbang.”
January 4th, 2023 at 12:41 AM ^
This board has gone downhill it feels - The volume of people too obsessed with upvotes and negative votes while only posting the groupthink approved opinion here where those with other views (which are probably 80% the same) are totally bullied and labeled as heretics is reaching all-time highs again.
Its a fucking message board and nothing said here realllyyyyy matters.
Stuff can be discussed. The obsession with labeling things as ‘OT’ or 'SIAP' is getting a bit obnoxious…while the gate keeping of “I’m in the know of some pertinent information but I can’t tell you because idk” is annoying, and combined with the ‘no true Scotsman’ antics, this place has become very unwelcoming in the past 2-4 years.
This used to be my favorite board (of all 2-3 I even look at anymore), but it’s becoming a very subtly hostile place - even for established posters.
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:31 PM ^
Well said! I too am very bothered by all the people that get so pissy on this board when someone makes a post that they don't agree with. I mean, some posts legitimately are terrible and deserve shame, but many are not.
January 3rd, 2023 at 8:59 PM ^
Dan Enos - wasn’t he the dude he came to be the offensive coordinator for 15 minutes before booting to Bama?
January 3rd, 2023 at 10:24 PM ^
Yes. Former Sparty QB who jerked us around and we ended up with Nussmeier IIRC