Mike & Mike on ESPN crushed the NCAA on the radio this morning
I have a love-hate relationship with these guys. But this morning they were crushing the NCAA, Mark Emmert, and the good ol' boys who voted against the satellite camps. It was refreshing to hear their take on basically everything we've been reading/discussing on this site and other places. I have not heard Mike Greenberg that fired up about something in quite some time. Hopefully their forum increases the awareness of the downsides of this ban and something can change.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/show?showId=mikemike
Fix'd.
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Touche. Like I said, love-hate relationship hence I don't listen everyday or even every other day. I cruise by the station a few times on my way to work and happened to catch this topic this morning.
I'm more in the Hate-Hate camp with respect to ESPN and its programming but travel often and get exposure to the shows .. Normally annoying and tedious, if they're right they're right and in this case they are.
So are the student athletes, coaches and parents expressing the same opinion about the NCAA.
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April 12th, 2016 at 11:18 AM ^
And the ACC. He was going off. And it was funny, they took a shot at Virginia, saying it didn't matter if they allowed him to do camps in VA because VA is a basketball school. My wife would have loved that (VT grad).
This is like the gold mine for the limiting opportunities argument.
April 12th, 2016 at 11:33 AM ^
Harbaugh got massive publicity last year for running the camps, then got the SEC to shoot themselves in the dick in their overreaction.
The overarching narrative is that Jim Harbaugh cares about opportunities for student athletes, and the SEC cares about nothing but the SEC, and this entire episode, plus the Florida/IMG spring practice outrage, paints the SEC in a terrible light in front of the entire universe of people who give a damn about football, especially prospective student athletes.
Harbaugh baited the trap and the SEC ran into it headfirst at a full sprint.
Now pretty much the entire sports media complex is crushing the SEC (and their NCAA lapdogs) and Harbaugh doesn't have to say a single word. No matter the outcome, the SEC and NCAA look terrible and Harbaugh comes out smelling like a rose.
Flawless victory.
April 12th, 2016 at 11:36 AM ^
April 12th, 2016 at 11:42 AM ^
The original narrative was North vs South, more specifically Jim Harbaugh vs the SEC. People took positions on that or didn't really care one way or another. Now the narrative is becoming the NCAA and SEC coaches vs HS kids. That's aready swaying opinons.
April 12th, 2016 at 11:51 AM ^
April 12th, 2016 at 12:08 PM ^
If even one 5-star recruit says "fuck you Nick and the rest of the SEC, and also fuck all y'all, y'all in the PAC 12" and refuses official visits and spurns their offers in favor of a BIG program, it'll get their attention pretty quickly.
Donovan Peoples-Jones, fer instance.
April 12th, 2016 at 12:26 PM ^
I think your right. The SEC banning the camps was probably the best case scenario for Michigan. Last year, Michigan had a virtual exclusive on the camps. According to the scuttle bug, many camps were planned this year in addition to Michigan's. Without the ban, it is conceivable that we would have been looking at hundreds of camps next year (a small portion of which would have been blue).
Beside the exposure advantage, Michigan did not gain much else relative to others schools, at least based on the last recruiting cycle. What the "abuse and control" (thanks Mike) did was bring a discussion about some of the hypocrisy in college athletics out into the light. I suspect Harbaugh is not planning on chiming in anytime soon. He is smelling like roses right now.
It will be interesting to see what the extent of outrage about the new rule outside of our fanbase is. Will this discussion die a quick death? Will the outrage be significant enough to persuade the NCAA to modify the new rule? I am guessing the former—while banning the camps wasn’t very nice, I am not sure it is big enough for people to rally behind. Just my 2 cents.
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Because they were too big. Arks weren't as big then as they are now. There was only so much room. If Noah had taken dinosaurs, he WOULD OF had to leave behind ferrets and gerbils and maybe even koalas.
I was hoping they would do this. I listened the whole way to work and they teased it repeatedly, but never got to it. I was hoping someone would post what they said. This is such a stupid rule.
Listened to the last few minutes of their rant this morning. It was awesome.
My favorite part was when they mentioned how even if it was just an oversight due to them rushing to get this rule passed before this summer hit (which they questioned how on earth you could not think about the consequences of the rule), then they should be just as eager to get the rule changed before you affect the lives of thousands of students. Or as Golic said, "or just get rid of the whole damn thing." They also gave an open invitation to Mark Emmert and the other supporters of the rule to explain the motivation behind the rule and why having the rule is more important than the thousands of students who are getting screwed because of it, even saying that they would cancel any guest or any segment to have them on and they would give them a fair listen.
Great stuff from them this morning. Don't usually get to say that so it's doubly awesome.
April 12th, 2016 at 11:13 AM ^
of these guys and religiously listened for 10+ years, but really got fed up with the show, format, SEC homerism, and just general ESPN gibberish. I'm glad they spoke their mind, and as the groundswell grows maybe, just maybe there is a chance this doesn't get approved on the 28th.
I live in Chicago so streaming WTKA on my iphone every morning has been a welcome replacement.
Go Blue!
I'd also like to hear the PAC12 (UCLA) rep's response to Leach's claim that 9-10 Pac12 schools were in favor of satellite camps and why he voted to ban them.
April 12th, 2016 at 10:08 AM ^
Oh, that one is easy. It goes something like this. "My name is Dan Guerrero and I have never been able to think beyond step one, even though UCLA has a hard time recruiting top level kids in LA because USC brainwashes everyone from birth, I want to limit tools available to my staff because I am trying to protect my turf in LA and the PAC-12's turf in California."
The guy is a Brandon level toolbag.
April 12th, 2016 at 12:26 PM ^
i heard he won't respond to any inquiries. his office said all inquiries should be forwarded to northwestern's AD, who i guess, must have chaired that committee.
their offices. It was proposed by the SEC and ACC and approved by a vote from the conferences. The SEC, ACC and the other conferences that voted for it need to explain it, not some NCAA official.
It's way easier just to blame the NCAA without knowing how the organization works.
April 12th, 2016 at 11:14 AM ^
the point about what the NCAA really is. It's an organization that has slavishly and selfishly built a veneer of institiutional intimidation structured on the divining framework of its member schools which it serves by acting as a clerk, referee and traffic cop for the schools on intercollegiate issues.
It's not independent of the schools themselves. It has no authority of its own and no enforcement powers that are not conferred or approved by the school presidents, other member apppointees and representatives which are then carried out administratively by the NCAA.
From that standpoint, the NCAA moves in the direction of its most influential members and the sway of their authority and power. And its leadership speaks on issues based on the political correctness of the organization's moral majority.
April 12th, 2016 at 11:00 AM ^
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I'm sure they do. It's Mike & Mike and kids are young. Give em some time. They'll come around.
Mgopoints await you in Valhalla? I didn't see your comment but I'll give you a vengence pos nonetheless. I guess you deserve it.
"Lo there do I see my father; Lo there do I see my mother and my sisters and my brothers; Lo there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning. Lo, they do call me, they bid me take my place among them, in the halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever."
We'll have to edit this to give it a Michigan theme.
April 12th, 2016 at 11:02 AM ^
It will likely never come, but one can always hope.
https://www.facebook.com/johnmctiernanpage/posts/10152191583173113
April 12th, 2016 at 11:51 AM ^
Don't bother, as mentioned below, he got like 1 neg and maybe one negative comment. He's crying wolf.
April 12th, 2016 at 11:10 AM ^
Bro you got like two negs and maybe four critical comments. A martyr, you ain't.
They just hung up on you at half-time of the brand presentation.
Welcome back with an Upvote!
They also crushed the two 'morans' from the South (TN and GA, I think) who tweeted things like, "SEC beats Big 10 again," and, "Big 10 lost all their bowl games so get over it." (And Grennie pointed out Harbaugh faced an SEC opponent in the bowl and won 41-7.) Both Mike & Mike ridiculed the mentality, or lack thereof, of those tweets.
Some of them down there are still bitter over losing the war, so they find consolation in any "victory" over the B1G...
Nationalism is still extremely strong and something they believe in. Football is the last war they're able to wage.
April 12th, 2016 at 10:03 AM ^
Not to get TOO political, but, those states are now waging war on the LBGT community. So they aren't done spewing their hate.
April 12th, 2016 at 10:54 AM ^
Trying to ensure a baker, florist, photographer, etc. can't be fined out of existence by the government for not wanting to cater a wedding they would prefer not to support(while still serving them in every other capacity) and wanting to ensure there isn't an easily exploited loophole for a man(not talking about a transgender woman, but rather a man who just wants to hang out where he's not suppossed to be) to legally hang out in women's bathrooms isn't hate.
The laws may be problematic, but they are addressing some issues in how we all live together. I'm not going to say the motivations are pure, but there is a side that's getting short shrift in your presentation.
April 12th, 2016 at 10:54 AM ^
April 12th, 2016 at 11:23 AM ^
As I can see both sides of the issues. And I hate the south and everything in it. Except the food.
